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This is a really interesting situation as it stands.

As the current language of the Carlo and Laughton trades lays out, Philly gets the 2027 Toronto pick if it is outside the top 10. But with Toronto keeping their 2026 pick, there is no language to specifically account for this and Philly is only owed an unprotected 1st in either 2027 or 2028. Beat writers believe the current interpretation is that it would be Toronto's choice which team receives it in which year, in the case the 2027 pick is in the top 10.

Now it's possible (likely) that the NHL rules on this and awards it to one team or the other before next years lottery. But as it stands it could create a situation we've never seen. For a thought experiment, imagine Toronto wins the lottery again next year. Acquiring the 2027 pick would be incredibly valuable compared to the unknown of the 2028 pick (in fact it would be ineligible to win the lottery at that point I believe). Imagine a world where this is a bidding war between Philly and Boston for the right to pick 1st overall with Toronto getting assets for losing their pick. The mind boggles!
 
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For what it's worth, the Flyers do not believe this to be the case; they claim that they will receive the 2027 pick, and Boston the 2028, no matter what.

www.inquirer.com

NHL draft lottery: Flyers still a very interested party despite making the playoffs

The NHL draft lottery will take place Tuesday night (7 p.m., ESPN). Here's everything you need to know, including the conditions of that confusing Scott Laughton pick.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com

the article above said:

When do the Flyers get the Scott Laughton pick?​

Well, that depends on tonight’s draw ... and who you ask. As a refresher, the Flyers acquired forward prospect Nikita Grebenkin and a 2027 first-round pick from the Toronto Maple Leafs last March in exchange for depth center Scott Laughton, a 2025 fourth-rounder, and a sixth in 2027. Pretty self-explanatory, right? Not so fast.

On the same day, the Leafs completed a separate deal with Boston, trading center prospect Fraser Minten, a 2026 first-rounder, and a 2025 fourth for then-Bruins defenseman Brandon Carlo. But the 2026 first-round pick had a top-5 protected condition attached to it. At the time, this seemed like nothing more than a formality, as the Leafs were expected to be a contender and nowhere near the bottom five of the league.

Fast forward a year, and the Leafs finished with the league’s fifth-worst record thanks to several key injuries and general organizational disorder. That brings us to tonight’s lottery.

According to Puck Pedia, if the Leafs’ pick falls out of the top 5, which Tankathon calculates to a 58.2% chance, it will convey to Boston this year and the Flyers will receive Toronto’s 2027 first as initially scheduled. Easy.

But if Toronto’s pick lands within the top 5, that’s where things get confusing. Puck Pedia states that the 2027 pick will go directly to Philadelphia only if it is outside of the top 10. If it falls within the top 10, Toronto gets to choose to send it to either Philly or Boston, with the other getting a 2028 unprotected first.

The Flyers do not believe that to be the case and have told The Inquirer that they will receive Toronto’s first in 2027, no matter what, based on their trade with the Leafs being completed first. Stay tuned.
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TheDoldrums said:
This is a really interesting situation as it stands.

As the current language of the Carlo and Laughton trades lays out, Philly gets the 2027 Toronto pick if it is outside the top 10. But with Toronto keeping their 2026 pick, there is no language to specifically account for this and Philly is only owed an unprotected 1st in either 2027 or 2028. Beat writers believe the current interpretation is that it would be Toronto's choice which team receives it in which year, in the case the 2027 pick is in the top 10.

Now it's possible (likely) that the NHL rules on this and awards it to one team or the other before next years lottery. But as it stands it could create a situation we've never seen. For a thought experiment, imagine Toronto wins the lottery again next year. Acquiring the 2027 pick would be incredibly valuable compared to the unknown of the 2028 pick (in fact it would be ineligible to win the lottery at that point I believe). Imagine a world where this is a bidding war between Philly and Boston for the right to pick 1st overall with Toronto getting assets for losing their pick. The mind boggles!
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Didnt CJ already say it was sloppy language and the league will side with Flyers if it is top 10? Pretty sure they'll get 27 and Bruins get 28
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...imo, easiest way to rectify this situation is this:


Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up Top 10 - Bruins get pick, Philly gets 2028 unprotected 1st

Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up not Top 10 - Philly gets pick, Bruins get 2028 unprotected 1st


...easiest way to do it... :thumbu:
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That's not the end of it, though. There's additional language that says if the 2028 pick is traded, Philly gets the 2027, unprotected, as part of the Laughton deal.

Since EITHER Philly or Boston could theoretically get the 2028 pick, the Leafs have traded it, which makes it a requirement that Philly gets the 2027 pick.
 
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Sounds like it’s still not clear what happens next year, Philly thinks it’s theirs regardless.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...imo, easiest way to rectify this situation is this:


Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up Top 10 - Bruins get pick, Philly gets 2028 unprotected 1st

Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up not Top 10 - Philly gets pick, Bruins get 2028 unprotected 1st


...easiest way to do it... :thumbu:
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There’s a world where Chayka argues it goes to Philly and if it’s top 10 protected Leafs get. Would be nice assurance
 
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ponder719 said:
For what it's worth, the Flyers do not believe this to be the case; they claim that they will receive the 2027 pick, and Boston the 2028, no matter what.

www.inquirer.com

NHL draft lottery: Flyers still a very interested party despite making the playoffs

The NHL draft lottery will take place Tuesday night (7 p.m., ESPN). Here's everything you need to know, including the conditions of that confusing Scott Laughton pick.
www.inquirer.com www.inquirer.com
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Flyers can believe whatever they want until the league officially rules on it.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...imo, easiest way to rectify this situation is this:


Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up Top 10 - Bruins get pick, Philly gets 2028 unprotected 1st

Leafs 2027 1st Rounder ends up not Top 10 - Philly gets pick, Bruins get 2028 unprotected 1st


...easiest way to do it... :thumbu:
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It all depends on what was agreed to when the transactions were made. If the leafs choice was part of this deal then its their choice. Otherwise the Flyers can take it to arbitration.
 
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Leafs87 said:
Since it’s top 10 protected technically and belong to Philly if lower. So I’m saying if it’s 1-10. Really depends on the wording
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...but then that basically erases the pick that Boston is owed by the Carlo trade, which says that the Leafs 2027 1st (unprotected) belongs to them since the 2026 1st was Top 5 protected and hence stays with the Leafs...I don't believe there is any scenario in which Toronto can keep either of their 2027 or 2028 1sts, it's simply a matter of the wording on the trade deals and which teams get which picks...
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...but then that basically erases the pick that Boston is owed by the Carlo trade, which says that the Leafs 2027 1st (unprotected) belongs to them since the 2026 1st was Top 5 protected and hence stays with the Leafs...I don't believe there is any scenario in which Toronto can keep either of their 2027 or 2028 1sts, it's simply a matter of the wording on the trade deals and which teams get which picks...
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Doesn’t erase just pushes back. Technically Boston is owed 28 currently or 27 if less than 10.
 
AvroArrow said:
Philly gets the 32nd in 2027, Boston gets the 32nd in 2028, everyones happy :sarcasm:
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This, we'll even send Sweeney and Briere a Mckenna jersey, how freaking cool would that be for them!!!! #GOLEAFSGO
 
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BlueBaron said:
both picks have lost all protections
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That's not how it was ever explained. Daly even said it's a complicated scenario.

The read is

If it's top 10 Toronto chooses who gets the pick that's what it has been reported on every outlet since it happened. No one expected them to actually win
 
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If Toronto acquired back their future pick owed to Boston somehow, say as part of a Matthews trade for arguments sake. Could that uphold the protection to Philly's owed 2027 pick? At that point they would only owe one pick and the conditions were that 2027 pick was top 10 protected. This whole trade tree is a CBA fetishist's dream!
 
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NVious said:
This, we'll even send Sweeney and Briere a Mckenna jersey, how freaking cool would that be for them!!!! #GOLEAFSGO
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They should be delighted with that. Imagine the pride they would have just to wear that jersey. McKenna became the best prospect in world history since Tuesday. It is not hard to figure out why. He has The Mc from McDavid, the NN from Mackinnon and the A mAcklin Celebrini.
 
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Leafs87 said:
Doesn’t erase just pushes back. Technically Boston is owed 28 currently or 27 if less than 10.
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...and that's what should happen; Boston gets the Leafs 1st in 2027 if it's Top 10, Philly gets it if it's 11-32, and whichever team doesn't get it next year gets the Leafs 2028 unprotected...as I said, in no way do the Leafs get to keep their 1st in 2027 or 2028...
 
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