If Shesterkin was to hit UFA, how much would you offer him ?

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Not really, special teams has been the Canes’ issue vs the rags

Probably some of both. Canes got way more shots and had way higher xG figures, yet lost. That’s a classic sign of bad goaltending. Now that I think of it, they’ve gotten outgoalied the last three years in the playoffs in the series they lost.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The canes straight up lost to the rangers because of goaltending.

 

[BM14]

Christ these ads are AIDS.

Anyone know how to stop them, I used to have a screen that would say continue without supporting us.

Try NordVPN.

 

[Ignatius]

If Shesterkin was to hit UFA, how much would you offer him ?

More than Sea Bass offered Swayman

 

[Phrasing]

Goalies scare me because of longevity and the ups and downs, but I’d safely be in the 10-12 range, probably closer to 12.

 

[Sundinisagod]

It's crazy to me that Shesterkin probably will get less/similar as Marner.

 

[Rorschach]

If no other team cannot or will not even come close to paying that number, then the Rangers don't have to cave. That's my point. Having the highest paid goaltender by a long shot has not proven to be a great model for winning a cup.

Especially not for the Rangers.

 

[Rorschach]

I wouldn't bet too much on it.

SC winning goaltenders in the last ~13 years:

Bobrovsky - $10M
Adin Hill - $2.175M
Kuemper - $3.5M
Vasy - $3.5M and $9.5M (2)
Murray - $628K (2)
Binnington - $650K
Holtby - $6.1M
Crawford - $2.67M and $6M (2)
Quick - $1.8M and $2.9M (2)


10M = 1 cup
9+M = 1 cup
6+M = 2 cups
1-4M = 6 cups
Less than 1M = 3 cups

It's almost as if...there's some kind of limited spending pool where if you pay the goaltender less you can use that money for other players such as defensemen...

 

[syz]

Most NHL goalies' goals against end up lining up pretty evenly with their expected goals against these days. There are always a some outliers (positive and negative), and Shesterkin may end up being one of the positives over the next several years... but it's still tough to justify breaking the bank on that position, imo. Would rather have a 4-5 million dollar goalie with an extra 6-7 million spent on the defense.

But, as we know, when free agency rolls around, GMs don't really give a shit about anything anymore. It'd be great for the Rangers if nobody was willing to pay Shesterkin what he wanted, but somebody inevitably would. If nothing else it benefits the Rangers (imo) that he apparently only wants a 4-5 year deal (presumably because he believes the cap will go up enough for him to get another raise on his next deal?) so I dunno... at least if you're gonna have a goalie be your highest cap hit it's better to have it be 4 years instead of 8.

 

[Painful Quandary]

I have no issue paying top dollar for an elite goalie, but I'm not giving him 7 or 8 years. If they want that sort of term, I'm not paying over $10 mil.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The funny thing is people try to haggle over how much they’ll pay their best players because they feel so strongly that you need an extra 3-4M of cap space. When you have that extra 3-4M, the team signs some middle of the lineup player that quickly becomes a bottom of the lineup player, and then within two years fans are miserable and want that player bought out.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[VanillaCoke]

11

 

[Toby91ca]

My point is you gotta pay a top goaltender the way you pay a top anything else. Like sure it’s awesome to have MacKinnon on a steal and makes it easier to win a cup, but you don’t just not pay MacKinnon because you don’t get him on a steal.

My issues with goaltenders is that they tend to be less of a known commodity. They aren't as consistent year to year as other players.

 

[WarriorofTime]

My issues with goaltenders is that they tend to be less of a known commodity. They aren't as consistent year to year as other players.

They are very volatile, but in some ways that speaks to getting stability in having a non-volatile one (well assuming they aren't volatile). Like sure, you can go out and say we're allocating $6.5 million for starting goaltender [probably what becomes the going rate for a meh, not great starter with the rising cap on the market] and basically spin a wheel and hope it lands or you can lock someone in, hope he is obviously a perennial top 5 guy with reasonable confidences of him being a top 20 guy on the lower end.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The funny thing is people try to haggle over how much they’ll pay their best players because they feel so strongly that you need an extra 3-4M of cap space. When you have that extra 3-4M, the team signs some middle of the lineup player that quickly becomes a bottom of the lineup player, and then within two years fans are miserable and want that player bought out.

Be careful what you wish for.

Getting 4 guys making an extra $0.75 million than the alternative signing is usually the way I think about an extra $3 million versus one particular $3 million player.

 

[ViD]

I think I would settle it with $12m/5 years or if he wants a longer deal, $11.5m/6

 

[Xspyrit]

Lol. Benning was such an enigma when you really think about it.

He was terrible for the most part with UFA's but was surprisingly good at re+upping his own players.

He drafted EP, Quinn, Demko, Brock before an after Joulevi, Virtanen, Podz.
Traded for JT but also traded for OEL.

Ya every GM has hits misses etc but the polar extremes of his are on another level lol.

If he had drafted Igor he likely gets him at a great deal but as a UFA not only overpays but would do it willingly.

I was a big defender of his but after JR and Allvin I now look back and feel like such an idiot for the lengths I went to argue for him. Got banned for it ffs lol.

Don't feel bad, Pierre Dorion had his die-hard defendors and his track record is much much worse than Benning, or any GM that ever had the position in the NHL for that matter. Easily by far the worst GM of all time, and that's including Milbury

Basically, his only successful moves were drafting Tkachuk, Stutzle and Sanderson with 3rd-5th OA picks, drafting Greig and Pinto, signing Zub and Giroux (who wanted to finish his career at home) and some extensions (Tkachuk, Sttuzle, Sanderson, Batherson mostly). He had an incredible opportunity to have a successful rebuild with unseen wealth at the beginning of a rebuild (Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Pageau +++ all in their primes for trade and prospects like Chabot, Formenton (he gets a pass on this one), Batherson, Daccord, Nick Paul, etc)

The only 2 moves that didn't blow up in our faces were Karlsson and Pageau, all the rest busted (yeah even the returns for Stone, Brassard and Duchene). He had a great return for Ryan Dzingel which he completely botched (traded the two 2nds for Derek freaking Stepan and Matt Murray, let Duclair walk as a RFA after he scored 31 goals in 87 games for Ottawa)

Let's not forget the Zibanejad, Duchene, DeBrincat, Chychrun and Dadonov fiascos. There was many other bad moves, we could continue all day. I highly wish we had Benning as our GM during the rebuild...