If Shesterkin was to hit UFA, how much would you offer him ?

[Suntouchable13]

Excellent post. And that vasi 9.5 mil number was the year they LTIR kucherov 9.5 mil caphit..

Understood. But I’d take a goalie like Shesterkin and will gladly pay him instead one of the soft wingers in Toronto. You gotta have the right mix of players to win. I take a goalie like Shesterkin any day of the week.

 

[Breakers]

3 votes for 14+

Is that Jim Benning and his sons voting in here.

 

[895]

Past performance is much less correlated with future performance for goalies than any other position.

9mx7 final offer.

 

[TGWL]

If no other team cannot or will not even come close to paying that number, then the Rangers don't have to cave. That's my point. Having the highest paid goaltender by a long shot has not proven to be a great model for winning a cup.

There's a market for Shesterkin if NYR don't pony up. Teams find ways to clear cap space. Teams need goaltending.

If he gets to UFA status 4 potential things took place.

1 -NYR won't go above a price they're set at.
2- NYR had a bad season.
3- Shesterkin had a bad season and NYR won't come close to that ask on some middle ground.
4- He had a fantastic season and Shesterkin isn't going to budge, in which case, some other team most likely will acknowledge the fantastic season and pony up.

I won't disagree that having the highest paid goalie could go very wrong for your team, but I think he'll easily get above the 10.5m range from another team if he has a good season.

 

[TGWL]

3 votes for 14+

Is that Jim Benning and his sons voting in here.

Shesterkin's burner accounts.

 

[ZDH]

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[bringbacktheskate604]

None of the above I wouldn't go over 7.5 over 5 years for a goalie

the position is too unpredictable nowadays

People say that it's unpredictable and voodoo etc but I think that's just a narrative fans use to justify having more cap space.

I'm confident in saying that goalies stats are just as consistent year to year as every other position.

I also think that the voodoo thing partly stems from flash in the pan goalies who have one good year and get hyped more than other positions because of all positions a dominant goalie can carry a team all the way and can cover up teams other flaws more than one player from another position can.

The cream of the crop goalies might have some down seasons sprinkled in but that's true of every position.

To me goaltending is the most important position and teams are finally investing more in the amount they draft, scout, develop etc with some teams like Vancouver, Nashville, NYR, some teams to me that stand out as teams that embraced it earlier.

I'd pay Igor 10+.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

3 votes for 14+

Is that Jim Benning and his sons voting in here.

Lol. Benning was such an enigma when you really think about it.

He was terrible for the most part with UFA's but was surprisingly good at re+upping his own players.

He drafted EP, Quinn, Demko, Brock before an after Joulevi, Virtanen, Podz.
Traded for JT but also traded for OEL.

Ya every GM has hits misses etc but the polar extremes of his are on another level lol.

If he had drafted Igor he likely gets him at a great deal but as a UFA not only overpays but would do it willingly.

I was a big defender of his but after JR and Allvin I now look back and feel like such an idiot for the lengths I went to argue for him. Got banned for it ffs lol.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Depends. If Woll shows he is legit I think we use the cap space elsewhere. If by free agency we still have questions in goal, I would give him 11M because YOLO. Then run with one of our prospects as the backup/tandem guy.

Leafs haven't had an elite get on my back boys goaltending performance outside of Woll's couple of games before he got hurt since Cujo. If Shesterkin can give us 1 of those during the final few years of Matthews deal it is worth it.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

There's a market for Shesterkin if NYR don't pony up. Teams find ways to clear cap space. Teams need goaltending.

If he gets to UFA status 4 potential things took place.

1 -NYR won't go above a price they're set at.
2- NYR had a bad season.
3- Shesterkin had a bad season and NYR won't come close to that ask on some middle ground.
4- He had a fantastic season and Shesterkin isn't going to budge, in which case, some other team most likely will acknowledge the fantastic season and pony up.

I won't disagree that having the highest paid goalie could go very wrong for your team, but I think he'll easily get above the 10.5m range from another team if he has a good season.

Other than Florida and Tampa and LA how many teams have won cups with Elite goaltending?

 

[TGWL]

Other than Florida and Tampa and LA how many teams have won cups with Elite goaltending?

Not sure what point you're trying to make by quoting what I said. I didn't NYR should pay Shesterking a ton of money. I didn't say other teams should pay Shesterkin a ton of money for 8 years. I didn't say you need elite goaltending to win the cup. I said, there's a market for Shesterkin if Rangers don't pony it up.

 

[um]

Other than Florida and Tampa and LA how many teams have won cups with Elite goaltending?

Most teams do.

Caps had it. Murray was elite on the Pens. Crawford was elite for the Hawks.

People look down on goalies because they don't always have long consistent careers, but you almost always need a really good goalie to win it all.

 

[MikeyMike01]

I wouldn't bet too much on it.

SC winning goaltenders in the last ~13 years:

Bobrovsky - $10M
Adin Hill - $2.175M
Kuemper - $3.5M
Vasy - $3.5M and $9.5M (2)
Murray - $628K (2)
Binnington - $650K
Holtby - $6.1M
Crawford - $2.67M and $6M (2)
Quick - $1.8M and $2.9M (2)


10M = 1 cup
9+M = 1 cup
6+M = 2 cups
1-4M = 6 cups
Less than 1M = 3 cups

You need to make this percentage of cap, if you want this to be meaningful. Holtby making $6.1M then is not the same as making $6.1M today.

 

[EXTRAS]

I'd rather pay a 25 year old swayman 10m than a 30 year old vasi 10m for 7 years.

That being said I wouldn't pay swayman 10m lol

 

[Breakers]

Lol. Benning was such an enigma when you really think about it.

He was terrible for the most part with UFA's but was surprisingly good at re+upping his own players.

He drafted EP, Quinn, Demko, Brock before an after Joulevi, Virtanen, Podz.
Traded for JT but also traded for OEL.

Ya every GM has hits misses etc but the polar extremes of his are on another level lol.

If he had drafted Igor he likely gets him at a great deal but as a UFA not only overpays but would do it willingly.

I was a big defender of his but after JR and Allvin I now look back and feel like such an idiot for the lengths I went to argue for him. Got banned for it ffs lol.

He traded for OEL, signed Connor garland, signed Tanner Pearson all while simultaneously complaining about not having enough money for Hughes and Pettersson

Benning sucked at extensions

 

[TGWL]

I'd rather pay a 25 year old swayman 10m than a 30 year old vasi 10m for 7 years.

That being said I wouldn't pay swayman 10m lol

He signed at age 25. I'd rather be a team in cap hell with 2 recent cups after that signing.

 

[centipede2233]

Tampa and Florida also had elite defence and elite defensive team structure. It’s not like vasi and bob were dragging the ‘93 Canadians into cup glory

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Would not be shocked to see Chicago make a play for him in a year if he makes it to UFA. They will have a ton of cap and if they sign him to a 7 x 11 or 7 x 12 deal or something like that it gives them great goaltending for when Bedard is gonna start taking off. Would speed up a rebuild and bring them into playoff picture much sooner.

I look at it very similar to the Panthers situation back in 2018-2019. They were a middling team (so not scorched earth bad like Chicago) but they had a talented group that couldn't make it to the next level. Hadn't made the playoffs in forever. Bob comes in, and while we has inconsistent, when he was hot the team was able to be a threat in the East. They made the playoffs every year and kept going deeper and deeper in their playoff runs.

I can see Chicago thinking they can do something like that rather than take the Edmonton approach where defense/goaltending has generally let them down despite having best in the league elite talent up front.

 

[Stealth JD]

Exactly $10M, not a penny more.

 

[NyQuil]

Excellent post. And that vasi 9.5 mil number was the year they LTIR kucherov 9.5 mil caphit..

At the time the contract kicked in, the cap was at 81.5 million so it was 11.66% of the cap.

If Shesterkin was signed as a UFA for this year, the cap is at 88 million so the equivalent would be ~10.3 million.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I voted 10 to 12 as I may be convinced to a shade over 10, but I wouldn't touch 11+

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Goalies are voodoo and I wouldn't offer him 7 years or more than like $7m/yr. Obviously he will easily get more than that in the current NHL market for goaltending. I'm just not a believer in investing big in the position.

Yes the Bolts and Panthers have won with big $ goaltenders but I would not say they were the main reason they won and I could see either team still winning it with different goalies and $ spent elsewhere. Then we also have the Blues, Vegas, Colorado in recent years winning with cheap goaltending.

Almost any goalie can get hot or cold in the playoffs. I prefer betting on a young guy like Kochetkov at $2M with a vet option than an Igor/Ilya/etc. for $11M. Goaltending hasn't been the issue for the Canes in the playoffs either even with castoffs like Mrazek, Reimer, Andersen, Raanta.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Goaltending hasn't been the issue for the Canes in the playoffs either even with castoffs like Mrazek, Reimer, Andersen, Raanta.

Weird thing to say when two of the past three years the player that you wouldn’t spend more than 7M per year on has eliminated your team because he was vastly superior to the guy in the opposite crease. Canes would’ve won both of those series if goaltending was remotely close.

 

[HolyHagelin]

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[AhosDatsyukian]

Weird thing to say when two of the past three years the player that you wouldn’t spend more than 7M per year on has eliminated your team because he was vastly superior to the guy in the opposite crease. Canes would’ve won both of those series if goaltending was remotely close.

Not really, special teams has been the Canes’ issue vs the rags