If Lou was still a Leaf

[member 262271]

If we sign Tavares, I wonder what all the Dubas haters will say.

That Lou would've signed him quicker, and Hunter would've done something awesome too, etc.

 

[francis246]

I think Lou going to the Islanders helped both their chances and ours at the same time, if that's even possible - Garth Snow and their current course probably weren't all that attractive as far as winning went, so at least they have a brighter future today than they had a couple months ago in that regard; But Dubas, as the GM of the future for the Leafs, is likely a better person to make the pitch to JT on our behalf than a short-term Lamoriello. Both teams' futures are better off with Lou in New York, I believe, regardless of Tavares' decision.


We already have.

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which is who exactly? If you think Liljegren, Dermott, Sandin or even Rielly for that matter is the next doughty then idk what to tell you. Rielly is pretty damn good but he's not Doughty and he needs help on the back end

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If we sign Tavares, I wonder what all the Dubas haters will say.

I don't think Dubas haters exist I think there are those that love him even though all he's really done is sign Carrick, draft some prospects, and trade for a 2020 7th.

And there are of us who are skeptics, we don't hate him but we refuse to celebrate him because he picked up an extra 3rd at the draft.

We want to see him do something real, something that actually matters before we celebrate him, and no winning an AHL title as cool as that is does not qualify.

Get a center, get a D man fill a hole on the roster, THEN he gets credit.

But first he HAS to do something real ,something that actually matters

 

[Cor]

I don't think Dubas haters exist I think there are those that love him even though all he's really done is sign Carrick, draft some prospects, and trade for a 2020 7th.

And there are of us who are skeptics, we don't hate him but we refuse to celebrate him because he picked up an extra 3rd at the draft.

We want to see him do something real, something that actually matters before we celebrate him, and no winning an AHL title as cool as that is does not qualify.

Get a center, get a D man fill a hole on the roster, THEN he gets credit.

But first he HAS to do something real ,something that actually matters

Who “celebrated” him? Lol

People gave him credit for grabbing an extra asset.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who “celebrated” him? Lol

People gave him credit for grabbing an extra asset.

OK but trading 25 for 29 and 76 is something you could have done or I could have done, anybody can do that he doesn't get credit for that, hell Dorion made a similar deal except he got a 2nd.

Before he gets credit he has to do something real, do something that matters.

For example if Tomorrow I see a headline that says "Leafs acqiure Justin Faulk."

THAT is real THAT matters and THAT is something he gets credit for.

Not picking up a 3rd round pick.

 

[TML1967]

This has been bugging me for a bit now.
If Lou was still a Leaf would it have bettered our chances at signing JT?
I believe it was Lou who didn't want to move Bosak, JVR and Komorov (for picks / prospects we could have moved to improve our D)
Then he leaves, goes to the island and in all likely hood signs JT
Would it have made more sense to let Lou go at the deadline and let Dubas take over or keep Lou for another year and have a better shot at signing JT
The way I see it we lost 3 players, a GM, a scout and potentially the best free agent to ever hit the market and got nothing in return but an unproven GM( I know the marlies won and SSM won but zip at the NHL level)

This has bothered me as well.

Leafs were perfectly in their rights to tell Lou he couldnt get out of his contract and start working for a new team until after January 1st.
If Tavares signs with the Islanders, I hope the 'powers that be' in MLSE know they messed up.

 

[The Man with a Plan]

why waste the money on Tavares when we could have Doughty, dumbo Dubas.

I think HFB needs JT to resign on the island so that the site can make a shit tonne of money off the clicks generated from all the DD to toronto threads

 

[Cor]

OK but trading 25 for 29 and 76 is something you could have done or I could have done, anybody can do that he doesn't get credit for that, hell Dorion made a similar deal except he got a 2nd.

Before he gets credit he has to do something real, do something that matters.

For example if Tomorrow I see a headline that says "Leafs acqiure Justin Faulk."

THAT is real THAT matters and THAT is something he gets credit for.

Not picking up a 3rd round pick.

So making a trade to get an asset isn’t real?

You already mentioned that the Carrick re-signing doesnt count.

I’m assuming trading our 6th next year for a 6th this year to draft Holmberg doesn’t matter either.

So is it actually only moves that can criticized that are considered “real”

 

[34]

Lou is a useless old dinosaur. He is too old school for the modern NHL. Toronto is very lucky to have removed him from the equation.

 

[diceman934]

I think he means Lou Franceschetti

My boyhood team mate! And enemies as well.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So making a trade to get an asset isn’t real?

You already mentioned that the Carrick re-signing doesnt count.

I’m assuming trading our 6th next year for a 6th this year to draft Holmberg doesn’t matter either.

So is it actually only moves that can criticized that are considered “real”

No it doesn't matter, because chances are that 6th round pick never plays in the NHL, and even if he does beat rhe odds and make it you probably wonlt see him until 2024.

I will gladly give him credit when he deserves it and that will happen when he makes a move that impacts the current roster, more specifically the holes in said roster AKA center and defense and Carrick does NOT cut it for defense

 

[Cor]

No it doesn't matter, because chances are that 6th round pick never plays in the NHL, and even if he does beat rhe odds and make it you probably wonlt see him until 2024.

I will gladly give him credit when he deserves it and that will happen when he makes a move that impacts the current roster, more specifically the holes in said roster AKA center and defense and Carrick does NOT cut it for defense

So, the only moves that matter are ones that add to the main roster?

That’s a dangerous precedent

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Lou is a useless old dinosaur. He is too old school for the modern NHL. Toronto is very lucky to have removed him from the equation.

Bet you weren't saying tha when he acquired Andersen, signed Marleau, traded Phaneuf erc.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So, the only moves that matter are ones that add to the main roster?

That’s a dangerous precedent

For the most part yes, there are a couple exceptions those are trading Martin and trading Leivo those 2 aren't needed and the combined 3.4 million those 2 take up could come in handy, so if you could get ANYTHING for them that would matter.

Other than that though this isn't 2014 anymore, despite what people tell you we aren't rebuilding anymore now it's about filling holes and adding pieces to what is, the best young core in the NHL, not swapping 6th round picks

 

[AllDay28]

if Lou was the answer, would he have not signed already? Since his current gm is... Lou?

also im confused at the correlation between a GM of a hockey team and a hockey player. How often you think they interact if at all?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

if Lou was the answer, would he have not signed already? Since his current gm is... Lou?

also im confused at the correlation between a GM of a hockey team and a hockey player. How often you think they interact if at all?

When you are a star, I'd imagine quite a bit

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

if Lou was the answer, would he have not signed already? Since his current gm is... Lou?

also im confused at the correlation between a GM of a hockey team and a hockey player. How often you think they interact if at all?

they probably interact enough that it makes a difference. The GM can impose rules on how the players are expected to behave and present themselves, and Lou has extremely traditional ideas. Like any boss, you want the GM to be someone you can get along with.

Aside from that, the direction that the team is headed is very heavily influenced by the GM. if Tavares thinks Dubas is a smarter manager who can take his team in a better direction than the competition, it's probably significant to him. There's also the general matter of treatment. Whether deserved or not, Lou has the reputation of being pretty shady and callous with his players. That definitely factors in as well.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

if Lou was the answer, would he have not signed already? Since his current gm is... Lou?

also im confused at the correlation between a GM of a hockey team and a hockey player. How often you think they interact if at all?

Some GM's are pretty active and speak to the players regularly. You can see stuff like that on HBO 24/7. Not all are like that obviously but you'd have to be interested in the day to day, how injuries are coming along etc right from the player/staff.

 

[stickty111]

So, the only moves that matter are ones that add to the main roster?

That’s a dangerous precedent

The poster has a narrative. Its better to not pay attention to his comments.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The poster has a narrative. Its better to not pay attention to his comments.

No narrative no agenda just don't see why Dubas deserves any credit when he hasn't done anything yet.

This roster was built by Lou with a little bit if Burke and a little bit of Nonis in there.

Dubas hasn't done anything to deserve credit yet, when he does he will get it.

Until then all he has is hype.

He's this bright young executive? If that's true that's fantastic nothing would make me happier.

Let's see what the kid has got.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

If lou was still in charge we would be freaking out cause we wouldn't know what rfas were tendered . I liked lou as much as the next guy but he made some questionable moves in the past couple years. we needed a fresh face would have liked if hunter stuck around but that was his choice. we have a couple years to see how it works out . he did what he was brought in to do shed the fat and show the young players the identity of the team is the crest not the players

 

[bpower]

I think he means Lou Franceschetti

Pretty sure he's still Ref'ing ball hockey in North York.

 

[Gabriel426]

What have Lou done so far beside signing Trotz? That's something Snow would have done too. So the answer is no, I don't think it matter much.

 

[IBeL34f]

which is who exactly? If you think Liljegren, Dermott, Sandin or even Rielly for that matter is the next doughty then idk what to tell you. Rielly is pretty damn good but he's not Doughty and he needs help on the back end

We don't need a Doughty if we're running Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Johnsson, Kapanen, etc., especially if we end up landing Tavares - Rielly is as big a name as we need on our blueline in order to be successful, and he's still developing and trending upwards. Between him, Liljegren, Dermott, Zaitsev, Gardiner (or his return), and prospects like Sandin and Durzi in the pipeline, we absolutely have enough bullets in the chamber to grow a Championship-caliber D in the next year or two.

The need for a Doughty/Karlsson/OEL on this team is ridiculously overblown around here. Natural development and increased defensive responsibility through all 18 skaters, combined with an even more potent offense, will do much more for us than trading a bunch of valuable assets for one defenseman.

 

[Trapper]

If we sign Tavares, I wonder what all the Dubas haters will say.

It's also not the fault of Dubas if we don't sign him.
I'm confident he did all he could and from the reports gave an excellent presentation.
Now it comes down to the player.