If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Soup won't be on that list July 12th. After looking at that list, I think I'll cancel my reservation for the parade.

Blackwood is at 2.8m. I think he'd be a good option with DeSmith or Comrie as the backup.

Blackwood wpuld be interesting Eric Comire would be trash

 

[Bluelines]

That list is why I don't believe that most of that is pure trash, or a pure backup



Just because you SAY Gibson is a non starter doesn't make him a non starter

I think he meant non starter in the sense the price Anaheim would want and the contract makes him an unlikely option.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Imagine having Auston Matthews signed for only two more years and you’re dumpster diving for a starting goalie.

Little concerning isn't it? Basically means they aren't planning any major changes and will run the same team but with a worse goalie situation likely.

 

[Bluelines]

Gibson is the guy you want if you want to win. I don't give a shit about his poor stats on a dumpster team. Get him on a team thats as good as the Leafs are supposed to be and he'll be back to his normal self. Plus Mrazek can easily be dumped on Anaheim in a trade, where other teams (Blackwood/NJ, Varlamov/NYI) wouldn't want him

Rumors that Dubas and Chicago's GM kissed and made up after that trade leak. Chicago has zero NHL goalies signed next year and have every intention of playing for high picks vs playing for the cup. The rumor out of the Windy City is Toronto and Chi-town are talking about how the Hawks can take Mrzaek. RFA Kirby Dach is rumored to be avail. Chicago is high on Knies.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think he meant non starter in the sense the price Anaheim would want and the contract makes him an unlikely option.

I don't believe that though I don't see the price to acquire him being astronomical.

I mean think about it.

Who needs a goalie let's look at it.

NJ? I doubt he waives for NJ they suck.

Edmonton? I doubt the Ducks want to send Gibson to a division rival in Edmonton.

Colorado? That's possible depending on what happens with Kuemper but again Western conference team, not the same division like Edmonton but do they want to keep him in the west?

Washington? This one I could see.

Buffalo see NJ

Toronto the Leafs NEED 2 goalies the goalie depth needs a COMPLETE overhaul.

The market for me is Toronto, Colorado and Washington

And with Colorado like I said do they want to keep him in the west? And Colorado could keep Kuemper

 

[Bluelines]

I don't believe that though I don't see the price to acquire him being astronomical.

I mean think about it.

Who needs a goalie let's look at it.

NJ? I doubt he waives for NJ they suck.

Edmonton? I doubt the Ducks want to send Gibson to a division rival in Edmonton.

Colorado? That's possible depending on what happens with Kuemper but again Western conference team, not the same division like Edmonton but do they want to keep him in the west?

Washington? This one I could see.

Buffalo see NJ

Toronto the Leafs NEED 2 goalies the goalie depth needs a COMPLETE overhaul.

The market for me is Toronto, Colorado and Washington

And with Colorado like I said do they want to keep him in the west? And Colorado could keep Kuemper

Minny, Chicago, NYI, NJ, Tor, Montreal, Ottawa, Philly, Edm, Col, Wash, Buf, NJ, Seattle, LV, AZ all have questions in goal, who knows what sleeper is out there that says hey I'll take that guy off your hands....

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Minny, Chicago, NYI, NJ, Tor, Montreal, Ottawa, Philly, Edm, Col, Wash, Buf, NJ, Seattle, LV, AZ all have questions in goal, who knows what sleeper is out there that says hey I'll take that guy off your hands....

But if he doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team, and by all accounts he doesn't he's not going to NJ, Chicago, Buffalo, Arizona, Montreal, Ottawa, Philadelphia Minnesota, not with those buyouts, Seattle, NYI have a solid tandem so not there either.

You could list 15 teams that have goalie questions easily but realistically the market isn't 15 teams deep for Gibson It's just not.

 

[Bluelines]

But if he doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team, and by all accounts he doesn't he's not going to NJ, Chicago, Buffalo, Arizona, Montreal, Ottawa, Philadelphia Minnesota, not with those buyouts, Seattle, NYI have a solid tandem so not there either.

You could list 15 teams that have goalie questions easily but realistically the market isn't 15 teams deep for Gibson It's just not.

Sorry not being argumentative, I appreciate the back and forth but to be fair Anaheim is a rebuilding team, if he does not want to be on rebuilding team ... he does not want to be on Anaheim.

I think Seattle's goalie (Dregger) is out long term with ACL surgery, Price and Allen are not reliable with their injury history. Varly is rumored to be on the move in NYI and we all know Lou love's his star goalies. Ottawa is on the upswing but have 3 goalies, the one with a stupid cap hit they are trying to dump. Hart in Philly is regressing.

It comes down to which team wants to take that cap hit , any team can do it with cap management, even Toronto. Toronto trades Nylander and poof we have the cap space.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

not being argumentative, I appreciate the back and forth but to be fair Anaheim is a rebuilding team, if he does not want to be on rebuilding team ... he does not want to be on Anaheim.

That's what I'm saying you listed a bunch of teams that are rebuilding teams.

Realistically the market is very small

It's realistically Toronto, Edmonton, Washington and Maybe Colorado

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Rumors that Dubas and Chicago's GM kissed and made up after that trade leak. Chicago has zero NHL goalies signed next year and have every intention of playing for high picks vs playing for the cup. The rumor out of the Windy City is Toronto and Chi-town are talking about how the Hawks can take Mrzaek. RFA Kirby Dach is rumored to be avail. Chicago is high on Knies.

If I am the Leafs I would be higher on Knies than Chicago. He is exactly what they need in their top 6 on the left wing. Now if Knies has made it known to Leaf management that he is not keen on signing with a Canadian team only then would I even think about moving him.

 

[LeafSteel]

Chicago needs to be told in many different languages that Knies is not a part of trade discussions.

Period.

 

[Bluelines]

If I am the Leafs I would be higher on Knies than Chicago. He is exactly what they need in their top 6 on the left wing. Now if Knies has made it known to Leaf management that he is not keen on signing with a Canadian team only then would I even think about moving him.

Knies looks really dominant in the NCAA, power forward on one of the two top wings, is exactly what we need.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Chicago needs to be told in many different languages that Knies is not a part of trade discussions.

Period.

Unless he won't sign with the leafs and in that case you hope he is agreable to more than one team like Fox.

 

[kb]

Unless he won't sign with the leafs and in that case you hope he is agreable to more than one team like Fox.

His favourite player (and the one he practiced with this past off-season) is Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

Unless he won't sign with the leafs and in that case you hope he is agreable to more than one team like Fox.

Has there been talk that he may not sign here?

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

His favourite player (and the one he practiced with this past off-season) is Matthews.

I never said he wouldn't sign with Toronto. I honestly believe he signs with them after the frozen four and sees the NHL right away to burn off 1 year of his ECL and make him playoff eligable. Only way I even talk about moving him is if he has said he will not sign.

 

[bossram]

Imagine having Auston Matthews signed for only two more years and you’re dumpster diving for a starting goalie.

I mean, dumpster diving for goalies is literally what Carolina did and no one is dunking on them?

Goaltenders are voodoo. Unless you have a truly elite goalie, no one knows how the hell they'll perform year-to-year. Picking a couple off the carousel isn't a terrible strategy - if you don't invest too much cap space into them.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Has there been talk that he may not sign here?

Rumour floating around after he announched he was staying 1 more year in college. But the team he is on is pretty stacked and has a legit shot at winning the championship. Also he was not going to see NHL games if he signed this season to burn off a year of his ECL like he will next season if he signs.

 

[23Monahan]

What has John Gibson accomplished in Anthiem, even when they had a real good team. Has he taken them to a deep Playoff run? No, he hasn't. Remember when Gibson and Anderson were a tandem and the Leafs traded for Anderson. Both were on equal playing level and how did it work out fro the Leafs? Campbell played good enough to win and he wasn't the reason why the Leafs didn't advance.

Troll post?

-Gibson brought them to the conference finals
-Toronto got andersen because anaheim decided to keep their better goalie at the time (Gibson) who would have put up monster numbers if playing for toronto/carolina last couple years imo
-it went bad for toronto because andersen never won a series
-Campell didnt play good enough to win. The team is also to blame but if campbell played good enough in one of the 5 chances he had to eliminate a team, he would have

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I mean, dumpster diving for goalies is literally what Carolina did and no one is dunking on them?

Goaltenders are voodoo. Unless you have a truly elite goalie, no one knows how the hell they'll perform year-to-year. Picking a couple off the carousel isn't a terrible strategy - if you don't invest too much cap space into them.

No it isn't they signed a guy that had been a legitimate #1 for years in Andersen he was coming off an "injury" but they didn't Dumpster dive.

Then they signed arguably the best backup in the league.

That's FAR from Dumpster diving.

You don't need to lie.

 

[ACC1224]

I mean, dumpster diving for goalies is literally what Carolina did and no one is dunking on them?

Goaltenders are voodoo. Unless you have a truly elite goalie, no one knows how the hell they'll perform year-to-year. Picking a couple off the carousel isn't a terrible strategy - if you don't invest too much cap space into them.

Comparing fan reaction in Carolina to Toronto really isn't fair.
Would anyone even know if someone was 'dunking on them'?

 

[bossram]

No it isn't they signed a guy that had been a legitimate #1 for years in Andersen he was coming off an "injury" but they didn't Dumpster dive.

Then they signed arguably the best backup in the league.

That's FAR from Dumpster diving.

You don't need to lie.

Find me one single person who was calling Andersen elite, or even a "legit #1" after the season he had (and even the year prior to that wasn't particularly good). Leafs fans were always complaining about him.

I never said they went "dumpster diving" either. I don't think Andersen or Raanta are bad goalies (go through my post history, I actually was one of the very few people at the time who thought Carolina letting go of Ned/Mrazek/Reimer wasn't a bad play). You're arguing against something I didn't claim.

I said they picked them off the goaltender carousel, which is true. I quite like Raanta. But he's not a true starter, so again, as I said, it's not like they went out and got an elite goaltender. They went with a strategy of acquiring two guys with decent upside, who aren't really top-end goalies. It worked out.

Comparing fan reaction in Carolina to Toronto really isn't fair.
Would anyone even know if someone was 'dunking on them'?

That's partly my point. The attention/backlash/praise Toronto receives for fairly benign moves that other teams routinely make is irrational.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Find me one single person who was calling Andersen elite, or even a "legit #1" after the season he had (and even the year prior to that wasn't particularly good). Leafs fans were always complaining about him.

I never said they went "dumpster diving" either. I don't think Andersen or Raanta are bad goalies (go through my post history, I actually was one of the very few people at the time who thought Carolina letting go of Ned/Mrazek/Reimer wasn't a bad play). You're arguing against something I didn't claim.

I said they picked them off the goaltender carousel, which is true. I quite like Raanta. But he's not a true starter, so again, as I said, it's not like they went out and got an elite goaltender. They went with a strategy of acquiring two guys with decent upside, who aren't really top-end goalies. It worked out.


That's partly my point. The attention/backlash/praise Toronto receives for fairly benign moves that other teams routinely make is irrational.

Yes you did say they went dumpster diving It's literally the first line you wrote

 

[ShaneFalco]

I mean, dumpster diving for goalies is literally what Carolina did and no one is dunking on them?

Goaltenders are voodoo. Unless you have a truly elite goalie, no one knows how the hell they'll perform year-to-year. Picking a couple off the carousel isn't a terrible strategy - if you don't invest too much cap space into them.

Who cares about Carolina? They don't have 4 guys taking up 50% of the cap and they've actually won a round

I mean, dumpster diving for goalies is literally what Carolina did and no one is dunking on them?

Goaltenders are voodoo. Unless you have a truly elite goalie, no one knows how the hell they'll perform year-to-year. Picking a couple off the carousel isn't a terrible strategy - if you don't invest too much cap space into them.

And Andersen isn't exactly dumpster diving

 

[bossram]

Who cares about Carolina? They don't have 4 guys taking up 50% of the cap and they've actually won a round

And Andersen isn't exactly dumpster diving

I'm saying, jumping on the rotating goaltender carousel is a decent enough strategy for most teams. If you can't find an elite goaltender (which there aren't any available), that's about all you can do. Goalies are voodoo anyway.