Ideas and suggestions for a true World Cup

[habsrule4eva3089]

Okay there's more posters here so I posted it here mods. Let's talk real topics.

Let's talk issues here if they really want people to spend money.

1)There is NO press in all of Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Slovakia, Belarus, Norway, Austria whatever you want to say, aren't these countries important? And as demonstrated by an all english reporter presence, nobody cares enough to send anyone.

2)Is the center of the Hockey World Toronto? I didn't know that. Every time I see a Toronto nhl game it's awfully quiet and devoid of passion. There is more passion shown for Hockey in Visp, Switzerland then Toronto. Why can't they also go on a World tour to promote this event?

3)How will they actually want people from other countries across the World to travel to this city and country and support their nations like we all do during the Olympics and World Championships?

Over 1 million fans supported their nations at the Football World Cup in 2014. Don't they want such diverse cultural atmosphere in their arena's come september 2016?

What will entice Russians, Czechs, Fins, Americans, Swedes to travel over and support their country?

4)Who is the mascot of this tournament? Each Hockey International event has a mascot that is an integral part of any international setting.

5) Is there a fan zone being constructed? International events usually have a location where fans can mingle and share culture and all and watch on giant screens in the host cities.

Has there been any talk of setting up large screens in the likes of Toronto ,Montreal, Helsinki, Moscow, Prague etc. Like is done for the World Cup of Football in all major cities across the World?

6) WHO is that host, who ran the question period? If he's the Hockey night in Canada host that I've heard of, I pity you Canadians, I've never seen a worse personality on television. What remarks he made, complete lost soul

Okay people add ideas so one day we can have a true World Cup. This tournament has SO MUCH potential. It's too bad it's run by a professional sports league that only cares for not people's hearts but $.

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[WarriorOfGandhi]

1)There is NO press in all of Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Slovakia, Belarus, Norway, Austria whatever you want to say, aren't these countries important?

no, they along with Canada represent a bloc of global irrelevancy.

 

[Canuckistani]

A real World Cup would have the top 10-12 teams in two pools followed by quarterfinals, semis and final. It could even be knocked down to 8 teams and it would still work.

You need at least Canada, Sweden, Finland, Russia, USA, Czech, Slovakia and Switzerland for it to be credible (add the likes of Latvia, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Belarus etc if there's a need for more).

The event would be held every four years and would alternate between host cities. Toronto in 2016, Stockholm in 2020, New York in 2024, Moscow in 2028 etc.

It's no coincidence that the NHL has chosen Toronto on which to drop this turd of an event. They know from experience that Toronto is among the few cities with enough gullible saps to pay good money for rubbish product, which is exactly what this is thanks to the two joke teams.

What will entice Russians, Czechs, Fins, Americans, Swedes to travel over and support their country?

An event that isn't a blatant cash grab and an insult to hockey, for starters.

 

[Mattilaus]

Okay there's more posters here so I posted it here mods. Let's talk real topics.

Let's talk issues here if they really want people to spend money.

1)There is NO press in all of Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Slovakia, Belarus, Norway, Austria whatever you want to say, aren't these countries important? And as demonstrated by an all english reporter presence, nobody cares enough to send anyone.

2)Is the center of the Hockey World Toronto? I didn't know that. Every time I see a Toronto nhl game it's awfully quiet and devoid of passion. There is more passion shown for Hockey in Visp, Switzerland then Toronto. Why can't they also go on a World tour to promote this event?

3)How will they actually want people from other countries across the World to travel to this city and country and support their nations like we all do during the Olympics and World Championships?

Over 1 million fans supported their nations at the Football World Cup in 2014. Don't they want such diverse cultural atmosphere in their arena's come september 2016?

What will entice Russians, Czechs, Fins, Americans, Swedes to travel over and support their country?

4)Who is the mascot of this tournament? Each Hockey International event has a mascot that is an integral part of any international setting.

5) Is there a fan zone being constructed? International events usually have a location where fans can mingle and share culture and all and watch on giant screens in the host cities.

Has there been any talk of setting up large screens in the likes of Toronto ,Montreal, Helsinki, Moscow, Prague etc. Like is done for the World Cup of Football in all major cities across the World?

6) WHO is that host, who ran the question period? If he's the Hockey night in Canada host that I've heard of, I pity you Canadians, I've never seen a worse personality on television. What remarks he made, complete lost soul

Okay people add ideas so one day we can have a true World Cup. This tournament has SO MUCH potential. It's too bad it's run by a professional sports league that only cares for not people's hearts but $.

sooooo did you make this thread specifically to bash Canadians? Because basically all your points can be boiled down to you not wanting the event in Toronto/Canada.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

sooooo did you make this thread specifically to bash Canadians? Because basically all your points can be boiled down to you not wanting the event in Toronto/Canada.

Eh? Where would you get that? I'm not bashing, I'm asking for ideas to make this a global event.

I would prefer it to be in Europe if they're serious about having a true Global competition appealing to ''everyone''.

You seriously think they thought hard where to put this event? Even if you keep this event in Montreal as judged by the WJC prices, people wouldn't pay big money because of it's insignificance, only in Toronto will this sell for the prices they'll charge.

If they cared for the fans input they would hold this Europe, and promote an ambiance like the World Championships at reasonable prices and see the tons of Canadians that always make their way to International tournaments and set up a tournament for North American audiences in 2019. But right off the bat, they crippled the potential by appealing to ...well who are they appealing too, even the players are confused lol.

 

[djpatm]

Super simple.

All div 1 IIHF teams compete in a world cup in the same format as the soccer World Cup or Euro tournaments. Host country has a few venues. Best on Best. No gimmick BS.

Done.

 

[cutchemist42]

First and easiest move is get rid of the video-game teams. This first one is a wash basically because of it.

I also thought this tourney sounded better when the NHL was considering a Feb break for it.

The NHL did not need to re-invent the wheel here....yet it seems they are trying to.

 

[Deutschland Dangler]

Have proper national teams without gimmick teams that are not invited but rather need to qualify (through something like the IIHF rankings and/or qualification games for the lower seeds), have alternating host cities/nations.
Basically look at everything they're doing for this year's installation of the tournament and do the exact opposite.

 

[Lacaar]

Get rid of the meaningless ultra boring hockey games.

Watching the Swiss team trap for their lives and hope for a lucky goal is boring.

Hockey just isn't an event like soccer or football that can overcome dull play.

Most of you hate the North America team idea but I guarantee the on ice product will blow the freaking doors off of watching the weaker European countries play the ultra conservative hold on for dear life hockey games.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Get rid of the meaningless ultra boring hockey games.

Watching the Swiss team trap for their lives and hope for a lucky goal is boring.

Hockey just isn't an event like soccer or football that can overcome dull play.

Most of you hate the North America team idea but I guarantee the on ice product will blow the freaking doors off of watching the weaker European countries play the ultra conservative hold on for dear life hockey games.

It would help if you bring up facts to support such statements.

I'm sure you can spot the dull, trappy, lucky goals in that video, which was the last time Switzlerand played Canada at the Olympics in a game...dare I say, Switzerland should have won. But alas, even after that and the fact they've beaten Canada numerous times at World Championships in the following years, they can't be considered a nation capable of competing.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

What about having a champions cup world cup hybrid

I'm also not oppsed to adding another tourney to have teams qualify.

So you kind of have all the best teams playing eachother from all the big leagues. At least their rosters are made up of the winning teams.

3 teams worth of players from every pro league able to play in the tourney

 

[Lacaar]

Have proper national teams without gimmick teams that are not invited but rather need to qualify (through something like the IIHF rankings and/or qualification games for the lower seeds), have alternating host cities/nations.
Basically look at everything they're doing for this year's installation of the tournament and do the exact opposite.

Yup. And when the ratings for the Germany vs Canada game hosted in Japan are so abysmal that no T.V network wants to touch them with a 100 foot pool? Then what?

Who pays the bills when Rogers or TSN chip in 5 bucks for the broadcast rights for the Japan hosted world cup of hockey.

This is about money and quality hockey.
They get neither of those inviting the weak countries of IIHF hockey.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Yup. And when the ratings for the Germany vs Canada game hosted in Japan are so abysmal that no T.V network wants to touch them with a 100 foot pool? Then what?

Who pays the bills when Rogers or TSN chip in 5 bucks for the broadcast rights for the Japan hosted world cup of hockey.

This is about money and quality hockey.
They get neither of those inviting the weak countries of IIHF hockey.

Why would Japan qualify when they're not even in the top 20?

This isn't about money, or quality Hockey, it's about setting up a proper event for people all across the Hockey World to enjoy it equally and offer an event that can help the game of Hockey grow in countries liek ''JapaN'' as well.

It's the stage of the event that matters, if no one watches, it's meaningless no matter who's on the ice. Which will be the case for this tournament.

Over 900 million people tuned in to the IIHF World Championships in 2014. You think the rest of the World cares, even if it's not the best players?

What do you think the nhl does to help global Hockey grow? This tournament will not even attract 10% of a Worlds audience.

How many people watched the Stanley Cup final? I think you'll get your answer there to know how insignificant this league is in the overall scope of Hockey growth and why it shouldn't even dive into the international realm of things.

 

[Lacaar]

It would help if you bring up facts to support such statements.

I'm sure you can spot the dull, trappy, lucky goals in that video, which was the last time Switzlerand played Canada at the Olympics in a game...dare I say, Switzerland should have won. But alas, even after that and the fact they've beaten Canada numerous times at World Championships in the following years, they can't be considered a nation capable of competing.

Oh for the love of god are you serious?

You dare say? Switzerland was outshot 47-23 in that game.
It was exactly what I talked about for gods sake.

They Play clog it up hockey to minimize the skill advantage.
That game wasn't exciting.

Canada decided to start playing in the third after the game was 2-2 after two periods. Outshot them 18-3 and the Swiss barely got out of their zone.

And because it went to a shootout you think they should have won?
They could have won.. they should have lost 5-2.

Watching teams do exactly what they did that game is why they aren't invited to the World cup IMO.

The on ice product stinks. They spend the whole game playing a defensive clog of a game to mitigate the skill advantage. Once in a while it produces a 1 goal loss. Once in a blue moon they win a game.

 

[Lacaar]

Why would Japan qualify when they're not even in the top 20?

This isn't about money, or quality Hockey, it's about setting up a proper event for people all across the Hockey World to enjoy it equally and offer an event that can help the game of Hockey grow in countries liek ''JapaN'' as well.

It's the stage of the event that matters, if no one watches, it's meaningless no matter who's on the ice. Which will be the case for this tournament.

My dear god you don't get it.

It is about money.

It's not a charity for the 5k fans in Germany or whatever other country thinks the NHLPA and NHL should give them.

 

[Deutschland Dangler]

Yup. And when the ratings for the Germany vs Canada game hosted in Japan are so abysmal that no T.V network wants to touch them with a 100 foot pool? Then what?

Who pays the bills when Rogers or TSN chip in 5 bucks for the broadcast rights for the Japan hosted world cup of hockey.

This is about money and quality hockey.
They get neither of those inviting the weak countries of IIHF hockey.

Fine, then do it with 8 teams or even 6 if that's necessary. My point was, that it shouldn't be an invitational event with fantasy teams. Whether the weak teams are part of it or not is not important for the legitimacy, real national teams that have earned their spot in the tournament is.

 

[DVon Du Nord]

Honestly, this whole NHL world cup thing just doesn't interest me. The players have no reason to play, and half of them aren't even representing their own country. I think something like a Champions League Tourney would be pretty cool like Football has. Send the top 4 teams from NHL top 3 From Sweden top 2 from Switzerland etc.. Where it's not as long as the actual Champions League, but rather a simple tourney that can be played in the offseason every few years.

 

[Lacaar]

Fine, then do it with 8 teams or even 6 if that's necessary. My point was, that it shouldn't be an invitational event with fantasy teams. Whether the weak teams are part of it or not is not important for the legitimacy, real national teams that have earned their spot in the tournament is.

I would be much more in favor of less teams playing series.

8 teams.

First 2 series best of 3.
Final best of 5. Or 2 again if there's time constraints.

I'd prefer 6 teams in that type of format but I can't see how it would work.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It wouldn't be so hard to pull this off, if not for the politics involved.

In an ideal world, the IIHF and NHL would get over their differences and go in jointly on a proper World Championship.

From there, it would be pretty simple. Schedule the usual WC tournament in the later part of the summer, when the players are rested and mostly healthy. Hold it in Olympic off-years. Host it in North America every other year, with the NHL hype machine pumping it to the media. Use the current international qualifying system, which admits all relevant hockey countries.

Basically just take the current World Championship and make it make sense.

 

[Lacaar]

Honestly, this whole NHL world cup thing just doesn't interest me. The players have no reason to play, and half of them aren't even representing their own country. I think something like a Champions League Tourney would be pretty cool like Football has. Send the top 4 teams from NHL top 3 From Sweden top 2 from Switzerland etc.. Where it's not as long as the actual Champions League, but rather a simple tourney that can be played in the offseason every few years.

I'm going to guess the motivation in the tournament will be monetary.

I like you're idea but I worry the NHL teams will dominate and it will just be a forgone conclusion.

 

[Lacaar]

Regardless the final needs to be a series IMO.

some of the Best international hockey I've seen was Canada vs U.S in 1996.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Pick the best teams however many you think you'd want, 1 team for all world made up of the best players from countries that didn't qualify. No u23 teams. Every year 1 gets religated 1 gets put into the tourney.

Or

Hockey champions league. NHL cup winners, SHL winners, KHL winners, CHL all stars, etc some rendition of that. I'd love to see younger guys against NHL players and multiple leagues match up.

 

[Gaps]

If you want to sell it to Europeans, for starters it needs to have real national teams only, no exceptions, no buts and absolutely no made-up or age-restricted random teams. International hockey at its heart is not about putting together the best possible teams on paper, but about national pride and the emotions and passion that stirs up in both the players and the fans. That's why people watch the WHC every year despite it not being absolute best-on-best.

But the NHL has made it very clear with their plans that only North American fans matter and they have stubbornly refused to see things from our POV. Hoping that we will suddenly "open our minds" to this thrash is futile. Change it or we don't care.

 

[varsaku]

I would just stick with the world hockey championships. I find that more entertaining since I get to see many different countries play and see their progression. Unfortunately the NHL would never stop the season for it.

This whole tournament was put together in like 5 mins. The kind of planning that goes into international events was not done for this.

 

[Advanced stats]

Pick the best teams however many you think you'd want, 1 team for all world made up of the best players from countries that didn't qualify. No u23 teams. Every year 1 gets religated 1 gets put into the tourney.

Or

Hockey champions league. NHL cup winners, SHL winners, KHL winners, CHL all stars, etc some rendition of that. I'd love to see younger guys against NHL players and multiple leagues match up.

Now do you really think thats gonna work?