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I find Drance insufferable, and asshole face to be dangerously idiotic.
Confirmed with Link: Ian Clarke Changing Roles / Marko Torenius Promoted
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Seawater ain't wrong, though.
I find Drance insufferable, and asshole face to be dangerously idiotic.
I would doubt it. Clark is a very well respected coach and if he was being forced out of coaching AND into a role he doesn't want/like I would expect he would leave the organization full stop. I know he's under contract and has no real choice if they decide to keep him around in those other duties but I don't think Alvin and Rutherford are the types to force that on someone like Clark. They'd let him leave the organization with his head held high "Canucks regret that Ian Clark is resigning from the canucks to pursue other professional opportunities. Give him an 'Atta boy' and 'You will be missed and we wish you luck wherever you go'." type press release.
That doesn't mean they didn't go to him and say "you know what we love you . We want you around and think these other roles are ideal for us and you, but we might need to refresh our goaltending coaching a bit." So perhaps "forced" out of coaching but with the result being a mutual agreement that it's the best way forward. And it could just be exactly what the press release says...Clark wants to step back from the demanding role he has at his age (both physically and mentally).
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this may still be what's happening. at clarke's level he probably has a big separation award in his contract and it's common for organizations to announce some transition like this to a vague role as a form of gardening leave
unless some insider reports on this though we'll likely never know whether he legit wanted to stop doing on-ice work or whether he was forced off the ice. there's pretty compelling theories either way
yeah, but can't imagine that Silovs is the main piece Nash would want. Sarros is signed for 9 seasons. they inked Wedgewood for 2 years, which is probably adds to why Asakarov wants out as he thinks being on a 1 way deal locks Wedgewood into the NHL lineup while he can still clear waivers.
Based on their commitment to Sarros, I think Nash if they got a goalie in return are looking for one from the 23 or 24 draft, ala a Fowler from Montreal. Allows them to reset the clock with maybe 2 more NCAA and 2 AHL years of development before he were to be the backup in Nash, which would then leave Sarros down to 5 years left on his deal. And they figure it out later depending on how Fowler does as the backup.
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Torenius coached Shesterkin and has a pretty damn good track record so far as well. Makes me feel better we have him and Clark still in the org.
Between ‘Ian asked for a change in role’ and ‘he cannot go on the ice’ it seems pretty obvious that this was driven by Clarke and not the team and people are just looking for a controversy where there isn’t one.
I agree. To specifically name Ian in that manner suggests that to me. Otherwise, it would simply be "Ian is moving into role X and this other guy is being promoted to Y."
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He basically just doesn’t want to do the day 2 day work anymore
That’s what the promotion is for
That’s what the promotion is for
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Literally every guy Columbus has now, but they also didn't get better after he left. It was rumoured that he didn't get along with their young guys which is why he was let go.
Issue with Clark is that he's always had one elite guy (Luongo, Bob, Marky, Demko) who has definitely taken their game to another level under him. But there have been a lot of other guys who didn't benefit that much.
For example, you look at Mitch Korn I would argue that goalies improved under him and the franchise was able to ship off extra guys for assets. Shields, Mason, Grubauer, , Or recently keeping Varlamov decent into his mid 30's,
This is in addition to the absolute studs he had like Hasek, Rinne, Holtby or Sorokin. For Clark basically his one big guy is his success story every time. And you can argue Bob got better after he switched to a European goalie coach, which is who he's been under in this last great run.
IMO Clark is a guy who can get an already great goalie to another level. But it doesn't work with guys who don't respond to his style and attitude. And he's shown that he doesn't really elevate other goalies. Again, look at Columbus' goalies. Spencer Martin was good with Carolina last year (part of this is on Green no doubt) after looking terrible with us. Holtby didn't work (and actually had a better final year the season after). DiPietro didn't develop. Halak basically maintained his level before and after. Delia was arguably better on Chicago than he was with us.
Not to say Clark isn't a great goalie coach. Just that he wasn't/isn't the magical wizard a lot of people made him out to be. He works with some styles and personalities better than others, just like any other goalie coach.
He has a lot invested in a system that IMO is being countered by forwards, which is why I'm cool with Torenius taking over the every day on-ice duties. At this point he is probably better with as a director who can take a step back but not have daily management of the goalies. He might be good at identifying talent but his demanding personality probably doesn't mesh super well with either veterans who are already established or rookies who are used to a more nuanced non-old school coaching style as they come up in the ranks.
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If anyone wants to go deep down the rabbit hole, Woodley actually did a podcast with Torenius around two years ago ... I forgot he was a rather interesting name at the time because he'd previously coached Shesterkin: InGoal Radio Episode 173with Marko Torenius - InGoal Magazine
A bit surprised at the timing but Clarke has interests outside. Recall that he was let go the first time because he wasn't willing to work full time. He now has a cushy gig so he gets to do what he wants to do.
I think Clark is a good at getting big athletic goalies to reach a level sufficient for NHL consideration. His formula works. I think he runs into trouble with NHL vets as he tends not to push too hard for necessary changes. So there hasn't been vets who rediscovered their game or reinvented their game after working with Clark.
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I like Torenius, I first heard about him when I listened to his 2022 Ingoalmag podcast and liked his philosophy about the goalie keeping their feet more and reacting from their feet. I think this keeps the butterfly and RVH from dominating a goalie's style. He isn't a "cookie cutter" coach which is good. And I was struck by how he was saying that he learns from goalies he teaches and is open to transparent collaboration with other goalie coaches. So I was happy when he got hired in Abby.
I think everyone here knows what I think about the Clark trackdown which abuses RVH. I believe he will move away from that and I view that as a good thing. Goalie techniques like the RVH have always kept evolving and it's probably time to move on in general.
I see TruGr1t has linked the interview. If you listen he talks about holding a bit narrower stance generally. This is similar to Clark's three-stance system but the issue is that since all Clark's goalies default to the trackdown they are biased to a wide stance because that's the easiest way to enter the RVH. So reacting from your feet IMO is a good strategy especially. I noticed that Silovs was on his feet more when the puck went behind the net when he first came up for the playoffs and then as his run went on he started doing the RVH which I didn't like.
He was also the goalie coach at SKA St Petersburg when Shesterkin was there so he was credited for that.
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Woodley was also saying Torrenius coming to the NA was always to be the guy. He just thought it’d be next year, but I guess Clark’s body gave out a year earlier than anticipated.
Says there’s been times where he’s seen Clark in the press box and he can’t stand up (paraphrasing)
I listened to the hit he did this morning
Says there’s been times where he’s seen Clark in the press box and he can’t stand up (paraphrasing)
I listened to the hit he did this morning
But but but if you listen to just the clips and tweets it’s a conspiracy and Clark is being pushed out!
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Pretty crazy a guy who coached sheshterkin and askarov was our ahl option, I'm not complaining though the goalie factory must maintain production.
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Woodley didn’t say exactly what it it is but said that Clark believes the goalie needs to be the hardest worker on the team and he includes himself in that. He’s 60 and all of that has taken a toll and he’s had a ton of procedures. Can’t remember if he mentioned hips or knees but yeah, just life time of hard goalie stuff is basically what he said
He's been coaching since about 2000, when he was around 34/35. Prior to that, the only thing I could find was that he played for UBC in 87/88 as a teenager. Can't find if he was playing goalie at some other level until he was mid to late 20's.
I wonder how the likes of Roy, Hasek, Fuhr, Moog, Vernon are as they would be late 50's to mid 60's now.
I wonder how the likes of Roy, Hasek, Fuhr, Moog, Vernon are as they would be late 50's to mid 60's now.
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