I wouldn’t wait

If there was a mid-season coaching change it would probably be promoting Kris Knoblouch to NHL head coach. KK was massively succesful in OHL and WHL. Hartford teams have been mixed but the roster is very much depleted so hardly his fault. It makes sense because it wouldn't be an entire systems change.
Good bio on him here: Kris Knoblauch Bio | Hartford Wolf Pack

I wrote in the GDT the biggest fish would be Andrew Brunette, he lead the Panthers to Presidents' trophy and now works as Associate Coach @ NJD. I doubt we get permission to talk to him though. Wish we got him this summer
Consider me on the Knobtrain , at least as an interim
 
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Hire Quenneville.

Quenneville, 63, told a reporter for Canadian sports network TSN that he was resigning with “deep regret and contrition.”

“I want to express my sorrow for the pain this young man, Kyle Beach, has suffered,” he told TSN. “My former team the Blackhawks failed Kyle and I own my share of that.

“I want to reflect on how all of this happened and take the time to educate myself on ensuring hockey spaces are safe for everyone.”

It's time.
 
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I don’t understand why anyone would be in the GDT right now. This is the only thread that matters. This guy is so useless. Igor covered every wart last year. A change is mandatory. Not just GG but that’s a start.
This really were we should have been last year. You’re absolutely right.
 
He had two things protect him:

1. Igor
2. He is masterful dealing with the media

1 isn't there anymore like it was last year, 2 is wearing off and the media is turning on him bc the team is so bad.

I thought this would happen in year 3, not year 2
but it all makes sense now how he's just 'randomly' canned

his teams look this 'this'
 
but it all makes sense now how he's just 'randomly' canned

his teams look this 'this'
I don't even think it is that they look like this. Every team goes through rough patches, but you can see the dysfunction and disconnect with this team. Even in the scrums. I know people downplay that stuff but a "team" doesnt let two guys carry the load on this shit, nor do they watch their Norris winner get mauled and just stand around. Again, that trouba presser confirmed everything to me that I have thought the past 10-15 games
 
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I don't even think it is that they look like this. Every team goes through rough patches, but you can see the dysfunction and disconnect with this team. Even in the scrums. I know people downplay that stuff but a "team" doesnt let two guys carry the load on this shit, nor do they watch their Norris winner get mauled and just stand around. Again, that trouba presser confirmed everything to me that I have thought the past 10-15 games
We lost a lot of glue guys. Reaves and Strome were most definitely leading in that department.

Keeping the room light and positive.

The moping and emo is seeping out of their pores now.
 
We lost a lot of glue guys. Reaves and Strome were most definitely leading in that department.

Keeping the room light and positive.

The moping and emo is seeping out of their pores now.

I still think it's the staff. And I think just putting letters on guys that get points in dangerous. Panarin having a letter is a joke.

There is a disconnect throughout this team right now.

Reaves was a band aid. Gallant thought if he brought in a lot of known veterans/good eggs for the locker room he'd fix the inherent contradictions and mistakes made by management (youth vs vets and all the other issues with the locker room and Ranger/Dolan approach) .

Sather and Drury have failed post-Gorton sacking (Gorton was a scape goat) and now they have an even greater mess on their hands. It's clear Sather cannot fix this mess, it's his culture running through this org from top to bottom and now the endless cycles of mediocrity are too obvious to ignore. The game has moved on and the Rangers are stuck with an outdated vision and very weak management.
 
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Here are SC winning coaches since 2000. There are a few guys that I love, but would they move the needle with this current team? Doubtful.


2022: Colorado Avalanche
, Coach Jared Bednar

  • 2021: Tampa Bay Lightning, Coach Jon Cooper

  • 2020: Tampa Bay Lightning, Coach Jon Cooper

  • 2019: St. Louis Blues, Coach Craig Berube

  • 2018: Washington Capitals, Coach Barry Trotz

  • 2017: Pittsburgh Penguins, Coach Mike Sullivan

  • 2016: Pittsburgh Penguins, Coach Mike Sullivan

  • 2015: Chicago Blackhawks, Coach Joel Quenneville

  • 2014: Los Angeles Kings, Coach Darryl Sutter

  • 2013: Chicago Blackhawks, Coach Joel Quenneville

  • 2012: Los Angeles Kings, Coach Darryl Sutter

  • 2011: Boston Bruins, Coach Claude Julien

  • 2010: Chicago Blackhawks, Coach Joel Quenneville

  • 2009: Pittsburgh Penguins, Coach Dan Bylsma

  • 2008: Detroit Red Wings, Coach Mike Babcock

  • 2007: Anaheim Ducks, Coach Randy Carlyle

  • 2006: Carolina Hurricanes, Coach Peter Laviolette

  • 2004: Tampa Bay Lightning, Coach John Tortorella

  • 2003: New Jersey Devils, Coach Pat Burns

  • 2002: Detroit Red Wings, Coach Scotty Bowman

  • 2001: Colorado Avalanche, Coach Bob Hartley

  • 2000: New Jersey Devils, Coach Larry Robinson
 
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The coach believed in five-man structure there, too, but Trotz rode his horses in DC to the NHL’s best record in 2015-16 and 2016-17 before winning the Cup and bouncing to the Island in a Johnny Keane-like scenario. In his 20th season behind an NHL bench, the first 15 with Nashville, Trotz coaches the players he has, not the ones he wishes he had and not the ones he had the previous year or two.

There are basic principles of structure and playing responsibly on the defensive side of the puck, but I try to assess what I have in terms of personnel and go from there,” Trotz told The Post before his team’s Thanksgiving Eve showdown with the Rangers at the Garden. “I think I’m good at putting players in the right roles where they can be productive.

“In Nashville, we had as good a defense as anybody, so we played to that strength. When I got to Washington, I moved Ovie to the right side because that’s where he’s most effective cutting in toward the net, but there were things I needed from him on the defensive side. And I explained that I needed that so we could get the puck back as quickly as possible to get it onto his stick
.

“Don’t get me wrong, we have good offensive players here, but it’s more a byproduct of our depth. So you play to that.”
“Barry and his staff, with what they accomplished last year, they have an incredible amount of knowledge. They’ve opened the door to different ideas on how to attack and play within a structure to create better scoring chances while defending as a five-man unit.

Please, save the season.
 
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There's not one coach in the league who could turn the team around. The problem here is the players especially the top draft choices have not come close to living up to expectations. You have the #1 and #2 picks in consecutive drafts and this is the results? Those two picks should be roster changers. They are no better than third line 35 pt players.

They will miss the playoffs this year.
 
Reaves was a band aid. Gallant thought if he brought in a lot of known veterans/good eggs for the locker room he'd fix the inherent contradictions and mistakes made by management (youth vs vets and all the other issues with the locker room and Ranger/Dolan approach) .

Sather and Drury have failed post-Gorton sacking (Gorton was a scape goat) and now they have an even greater mess on their hands. It's clear Sather cannot fix this mess, it's his culture running through this org from top to bottom and now the endless cycles of mediocrity are too obvious to ignore. The game has moved on and the Rangers are stuck with an outdated vision and very weak management.
I don't know if I would agree with that. I think Reeves had purpose here as far as adding a swagger to a listless group. I think people might forget just how bland the group was prior to the Washington debacle. Truthfully there's no reason to need to rely on a guy like Reeves at this point to bring the swagger to the group. This is the point where ideally integrated laffy and seeing other personalities rise to the top. I mean I look at the captain and see a guy that this year has risen up from his role last year regarding his leadership role. We all know and can see that he's playing her so that's something different. But my issue with the organization is that if you had a core group of players 2 years ago and felt that they needed an injection of swagger and attitude which is what made you go out and get Reeves in the first place then how could you think that the same group would somehow create or maintain a swagger on their own? That was supposed to be the whole purpose of the next wave of young leaders and their role through the future. Unfortunately the organization and the coaching staff just continue to neuter them. They look lost on the ice and I'm sure that they're lost off the ice at this point. And I don't think it's at all that they aren't trying, they just don't have an actual direction to lead them to success right now, and the bigger issue with that is that the team is not going to have success the way that it's structured unless those kids do. It was one thing last year where they had all the additions and can insulate those kids and they could be viewed as a bonus, but there's no depth whatsoever through this roster and those kids have to be contributors and know that they are important. Right now nothing about how they are used or deployed sends a message to them that they are important. Jimmy vesey on the top line instead of the fourth line where you could thrive and be a good contributor is a perfect example of this. You just look up and down this team and unless they are going to commit to some substantial changes in deployment and utilization of the players they're doomed. I will not be able to understand how they could look at the roster during the off season in realize that the kids had to be prominent contributors in the top six for the team to have success and then turn around and remove them from those roles. Sometimes you just have to let kids go out there and play and make mistakes and learn, not over coach the shit out of them. That's a big part of why I'm so glad otter was sent back to junior. His game is based around having an edge and right now in this environment he would have his balls clipped off
 
There's not one coach in the league who could turn the team around. The problem here is the players especially the top draft choices have not come close to living up to expectations. You have the #1 and #2 picks in consecutive drafts and this is the results? Those two picks should be roster changers. They are no better than third line 35 pt players.

They will miss the playoffs this year.

How do you know. The team is not devoid of talent. Maybe not a perfect team but should be much better than they are, team looks checked out, we’ve seen this play out plenty of times in the NHL, new coach comes in and revitalizes the team. Blues , Penguins when they won the cup but even non-playoff teams like Vancouver, Buffalo, and Montreal, became immediately better and most importantly their young talent made a huge jump.
 
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I don't know if I would agree with that. I think Reeves had purpose here as far as adding a swagger to a listless group. I think people might forget just how bland the group was prior to the Washington debacle. Truthfully there's no reason to need to rely on a guy like Reeves at this point to bring the swagger to the group. This is the point where ideally integrated laffy and seeing other personalities rise to the top. I mean I look at the captain and see a guy that this year has risen up from his role last year regarding his leadership role. We all know and can see that he's playing her so that's something different. But my issue with the organization is that if you had a core group of players 2 years ago and felt that they needed an injection of swagger and attitude which is what made you go out and get Reeves in the first place then how could you think that the same group would somehow create or maintain a swagger on their own? That was supposed to be the whole purpose of the next wave of young leaders and their role through the future. Unfortunately the organization and the coaching staff just continue to neuter them. They look lost on the ice and I'm sure that they're lost off the ice at this point. And I don't think it's at all that they aren't trying, they just don't have an actual direction to lead them to success right now, and the bigger issue with that is that the team is not going to have success the way that it's structured unless those kids do. It was one thing last year where they had all the additions and can insulate those kids and they could be viewed as a bonus, but there's no depth whatsoever through this roster and those kids have to be contributors and know that they are important. Right now nothing about how they are used or deployed sends a message to them that they are important. Jimmy vesey on the top line instead of the fourth line where you could thrive and be a good contributor is a perfect example of this. You just look up and down this team and unless they are going to commit to some substantial changes in deployment and utilization of the players they're doomed. I will not be able to understand how they could look at the roster during the off season in realize that the kids had to be prominent contributors in the top six for the team to have success and then turn around and remove them from those roles. Sometimes you just have to let kids go out there and play and make mistakes and learn, not over coach the shit out of them. That's a big part of why I'm so glad otter was sent back to junior. His game is based around having an edge and right now in this environment he would have his balls clipped off
I think we agree in general. With the bandaid comment I meant that Reaves was brought in to toughen up the group, along with Tinordi, Nemeth, McKegg, Blais the same summer. But nothing was fundamentally changed structurally and now that Reaves is gone the same issues reappear (this is not a Reaves discussion but more about how the internal contradictions were never truly fixed).

What are the odds Zib would love to have Zucc or Buch back on his line? Panarin with Tarasenko or Kane? Panarin has Kravtsov now to take under his wing but it's not the same as the kids are not ready players. A while back Vince interviewed Kreider and Zibs about why they didn't want to play with Laffy. Laffy was there and Vince wrote something about how Kreider and Zibs gave puppy eyes and Laffy understood and left the room while they explained. Kreider, Panarin and Zib have their bags now but they don't have a fully developed team. Maybe they are happier with Vesey on their wing who knows.

The kids don't need "opportunities", they don't need to be "insulated". They kids don't need a "process" (euphemism for doing things the Ranger way of waiting your turn). The kids need to be DEVELOPED. But I'm not sure it works playing along players like Kreider and Zib and Panarin who have their own idea how their lines should work. That's why I was supportive of playing the "Kid line" so they could find their game together. But even that option is ruined now with this coaching staff/management and the kids in a funk.
 
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I still think it's the staff. And I think just putting letters on guys that get points in dangerous. Panarin having a letter is a joke.

There is a disconnect throughout this team right now.
I don't think you can point to any one area & definitively say it's this or that. There's dysfunction that has crept into every aspect of the organization. Changing the coaching staff will shock these spoiled assholes awake for about 2-3 weeks, but there's almost no solution to the NMCs that have this core locked up for years to come. It's going to get uglier before it gets better.
 
I think we agree in general. With the bandaid comment I meant that Reaves was brought in to toughen up the group, along with Tinordi, Nemeth, McKegg, Blais the same summer. But nothing was fundamentally changed structurally and now that Reaves is gone the same issues reappear (this is not a Reaves discussion but more about how the internal contradictions were never truly fixed).

What are the odds Zib would love to have Zucc or Buch back on his line? Panarin with Tarasenko or Kane? Panarin has Kravtsov now to take under his wing but it's not the same as the kids are not ready players. A while back Vince interviewed Kreider and Zibs about why they didn't want to play with Laffy. Laffy was there and Vince wrote something about how Kreider and Zibs gave puppy eyes and Laffy understood and left the room while they explained. Kreider, Panarin and Zib have their bags now but they don't have a fully developed team. Maybe they are happier with Vesey on their wing who knows.

The kids don't need "opportunities", they don't need to be "insulated". They kids don't need a "process" (euphemism for doing things the Ranger way of waiting your turn). The kids need to be DEVELOPED. But I'm not sure it works playing along players like Kreider and Zib and Panarin who have their own idea how their lines should work. That's why I was supportive of playing the "Kid line" so they could find their game together. But even that option is ruined now with this coaching staff/management and the kids in a funk.
100% agreed except for the firs part talking about toughening up the group.

With the exception of Reaves, all of those players were pretty bad. Nemeth was exactly the type of vanilla puck moving defnseman who always seems to curiously have a spot on this team despite not really producing much of anything noticeable at either end of the ice. Tinordi wouldn't have even gotten the legs he's gotten out of his career so far except for his last name, and it's clear the apple fell quite far from the tree on that one. His dad was an absolute savage in an era where that was expected of physical D. Junior, on the other hand, is big, a little bit physical, and possesses the offensive instincts of Dylan McIlrath. McKegg is literally the definition of an AHL lifer. Every single one of those players is a joke, and Blais is a career 3rd/4th line player at best.

The Buchnevich trade may well go down as the worst deal this franchise has made since the Zubov trade, and that's saying something.
 
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100% agreed except for the firs part talking about toughening up the group.

With the exception of Reaves, all of those players were pretty bad. Nemeth was exactly the type of vanilla puck moving defnseman who always seems to curiously have a spot on this team despite not really producing much of anything noticeable at either end of the ice. Tinordi wouldn't have even gotten the legs he's gotten out of his career so far except for his last name, and it's clear the apple fell quite far from the tree on that one. His dad was an absolute savage in an era where that was expected of physical D. Junior, on the other hand, is big, a little bit physical, and possesses the offensive instincts of Dylan McIlrath. McKegg is literally the definition of an AHL lifer. Every single one of those players is a joke, and Blais is a career 3rd/4th line player at best.

The Buchnevich trade may well go down as the worst deal this franchise has made since the Zubov trade, and that's saying something.
I know they were bad but at the time there was talk about having the brawn to face the Caps in the first game of the season following "the Wilson incident" at the end of the previous. Lots of brawn brought in, playing capability was secondary clearly. So "toughening" was used in that sense. That was Drury's first summer and had Sather involved I have no doubt after the firing of Gorton and JD.
 

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