I think Pacific is indeed the toughest division in the league

Billy Kvcmu · Dec 13, 2023

Before the season, many thought Pacifce was the toughest division with two legit contenders in Vegas and Edmonton, one borderline contender in LA and that Calgary would bounce back and join Seattle in the WC spots.

One month into the season, people changed their opinion because both Albertan teams and Seattle struggled out of the gate, Vancouver had high PDO and was due for regression and SJ sucked.

Well, we are currently 1/3 into the season, 3 of the top 5 teams in the league are Pacific teams.
Vegas has 45 pts already, Vancouver was supposed to regress but now sits 4th with 39 pts. LA sits 5th with 36 and have 5 games in hand on Vegas.

Edmonton has won 8 in a row but is somehow still 9 pts behind LA, but they are only 5 pts behind WC1 with 3 games in hand.

I think the prediction was pretty correct after all.

"They get to feast on SJ, of course they have more pts than other teams"

Go look at SJ's record ever since they lost back to back 10 goals game. It's not easy to beat them these days and many east coast teams have learned that the hard way recently.

The only truly terrible team right now is the Ducks

Ghetty Green · Dec 13, 2023

East is full of paper tigers

TheNumber4 · Dec 13, 2023

Billy Kvcmu said:
ngl, im glad we beat you guys three times at your lowest. Wont play again until April. Hope we can keep picking up pts and kept you guys in a WC spot

That start was a necessary evil. Blessing in disguise really.

Billy Kvcmu · Dec 13, 2023

TheNumber4 said:
That start was a necessary evil. Blessing in disguise really.

woodcroft was innocent

Yorkshire Leaf · Dec 13, 2023

Statistics are your friend.

Eastern teams Vs Pacific teams
12 have a winning record
2 have an even record
2 have a losing record

TheNumber4 · Dec 13, 2023

Billy Kvcmu said:
woodcroft was innocent

Apparently not. We now looking at the best Oilers team in the McD era

Guttersniped · Dec 13, 2023

Billy Kvcmu said:
Before the season, many thought Pacifce was the toughest division with two legit contenders in Vegas and Edmonton, one borderline contender in LA and that Calgary would bounce back and join Seattle in the WC spots.

One month into the season, people changed their opinion because both Albertan teams and Seattle struggled out of the gate, Vancouver had high PDO and was due for regression and SJ sucked.

Well, we are currently 1/3 into the season, 3 of the top 5 teams in the league are Pacific teams.
Vegas has 45 pts already, Vancouver was supposed to regress but now sits 4th with 39 pts. LA sits 5th with 36 and have 5 games in hand on Vegas.

Edmonton has won 8 in a row but is somehow still 9 pts behind LA, but they are only 5 pts behind WC1 with 3 games in hand.

I think the prediction was pretty correct after all.

"They get to feast on SJ, of course they have more pts than other teams"

Go look at SJ's record ever since the lost back to back 10 goals game.

The truly terrible team right now is the Ducks

Vegas is obviously great, and they have a nice top three with a rising Edmonton, but the bottom four teams are here:

Super Cake · Dec 13, 2023

The funny thing is Vegas is winning games while not even playing their best. In November, they couldn't buy themselves a goal and lost couple of 1 goal games and even getting shutout 3 times in 5 games.

Now these last 4 games, their offense has been saving their asses while they seem to not be able to keep the puck out of their own net.

hangman005 · Dec 13, 2023

The ducks would be doing better if @ViD didn't jinx them earlier this year... they have been terrible since that thread. :laugh:

hangman005 · Dec 13, 2023

Super Cake said:
The funny thing is Vegas is winning games while not even playing their best. In November, they couldn't buy themselves a goal and lost couple of 1 goal games and even getting shutout 3 times in 5 games.

Now these last 4 games, their offense has been saving their asses while they seem to not be able to keep the puck out of their own net.

That I think we have had all our D for what like 2 games :laugh:

jcs0218 · Dec 13, 2023

I don't think the Flames, Kraken, Ducks, or Sharks are very good.

So I disagree with the notion that the Pacific is the toughest division.

In fact, if you compare the 5th place through 8th place in the Pacific with all other divisions, you get the following result based by points percentage:

Flames are the worst 5th place team out of all divisions (ranked 4th of 4).
Kraken are the worst 6th place team out of all divisions (ranked 4th of 4).
Ducks are the worst 7th place team out of all divisions (ranked 4th of 4).
Sharks are the second worst 8th place team out of all divisions (ranked 3rd of 4; only Chicago is worse).

Even the Oilers are the worst 4th place team out of all divisions, although this is due to a horrible start and I see them improving their ranking.

This would all seem to indicate the Pacific is the worst division in hockey, rather than the best division in hockey.

Seras · Dec 13, 2023

It's the best division to be in if you are looking for easy points

deleted user · Dec 13, 2023

What? Lol. No.

Despote · Dec 13, 2023

Dont know if any other division has as strong of a top three as VGK/LAK/EDM. The bottom half of Pacific sucks though.

Laterade · Dec 13, 2023

nah we suck

jackjohnson · Dec 13, 2023

Despote said:
Dont know if any other division has as strong of a top three as VGK/LAK/EDM. The bottom half of Pacific sucks though.

Vancouver is better than Edmonton bud

Despote · Dec 13, 2023

jackjohnson said:
Vancouver is better than Edmonton bud

Highly doubt that. Their finishing and goaltending was through the roof to start the season, which is generally not sustainable. Oilers are the 2nd best team in the league in 5vs5 xgf% and have the best PP in the league.

Also 109 points last seasons vs Canucks who missed the playoffs. I'd like to think that far better underlying numbers coupled with far better recent success makes Oilers the superior team, despite Canucks being ahead in the standings for now.

Connor McConnor · Dec 13, 2023

Yorkshire Leaf said:
Statistics are your friend.

Eastern teams Vs Pacific teams
12 have a winning record
2 have an even record
2 have a losing record

Just so the East can choke again. The Rangers are the biggest paper tigers I’ve seen, Boston doesn’t know how to pass round 2 lately and Toronto can only win in overtime/SO.

jackjohnson · Dec 13, 2023

Despote said:
Highly doubt that. Their finishing and goaltending was through the roof to start the season, which is generally not sustainable. Oilers are the 2nd best team in the league in 5vs5 xgf% and have the best PP in the league.

Also 109 points last seasons vs Canucks who missed the playoffs. I'd like to think that far better underlying numbers coupled with far better recent success makes Oilers the superior team, despite Canucks being ahead in the standings for now.

Canucks have the most regulation time wins in the league. Am sure you will find a way to discredit that too lol. They have the most goals scored in the league. Is that a fluke too? That's with Kuzmenko scoring only 4 goals. You don't want to look at results and real stats like wins or losses or goals or point percentage, that's fine. But they have beat Oilers 3 times in a dominant fashion too this season. They are the better team and their D is way better too, can score and hit. It's ok to be jealous but that's just reality.

SilhouetteSpecial · Dec 13, 2023

Last 10 years, 5 from the East, 5 from the West. Doesn't appear either side is superior to the other.

Pavels Dog · Dec 13, 2023

It's still the worst division in hockey.

Frank Drebin · Dec 13, 2023

Yorkshire Leaf said:
Statistics are your friend.

Eastern teams Vs Pacific teams
12 have a winning record
2 have an even record
2 have a losing record

If my team goes 1-0-1 against my opponent, who also goes 1-0-1, both teams have winning records. .750 at that.

I think you meant to say, improperly used statistics are my friend when I'm making a dishonest point.

dirtydanglez · Dec 13, 2023

the east hasnt been impressive since tampa won. this year they look even worse. not sure whats going on there. a bunch of underachieving teams.

SoundAndFury · Dec 13, 2023

jackjohnson said:
Canucks have the most regulation time wins in the league. Am sure you will find a way to discredit that too lol. They have the most goals scored in the league. Is that a fluke too?

Well duh, that's what high PD is. That's exactly what he says in the post you are quoting.

Yorkshire Leaf · Dec 13, 2023

Frank Drebin said:
If my team goes 1-0-1 against my opponent, who also goes 1-0-1, both teams have winning records. .750 at that.

I think you meant to say, improperly used statistics are my friend when I'm making a dishonest point.

Which would true if that was the statistic I’d used, which it wasn’t, it was a simple number of wins v number of losses.

Ie. Leafs v Pacific won 3 lost 1 - a winning record.

Habs - won 3 lost 6 - a losing record

Lowly Sens - won 2 lost 2 - an equal record.

So the what you have highlighted would be an equal record 1 win, 1 loss, neither team would have a winning record.

I think Pacific is indeed the toughest division in the league

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