I think Islanders are the dark horse of the East this season.

[GlassesManbad]

I'm kinda scratching my bald head determining why average age does not mean anything according to some here when measuring "age" of a team?

Because 4th liners who won't be back next year can increase your age. They become as important in that age stat as a 1st line C.
Islanders issue is the age of those forwards and how many years they are locked up.

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[Tufted Titmouse]

I'm kinda scratching my bald head determining why average age does not mean anything according to some here when measuring "age" of a team?

Imagine you have 4 Cs

1C - 22mins - 22yrs old
2C - 18mins - 25yrs old
3C - 14mins - 32yrs old
4C - 6mins - 41 years old

That's an average C core of 30 years old.

however, 67% of the icetime goes to guys who average 23.5 yrs old.

In my mind, this C core is not a 30 years old core, it's in it's low 20's. The core players, who have a substaintally larger impact, are not close to 30.

I apply this logic to full teams (well, skaters) as well. I don't think the #6dman and #12 forward, each playing 6 mins a night, should weigh equally with the guys playing the big minutes.

 

[nbwingsfan]

If he has chemistry with Mat and plays solid defensive hockey leaving room for him to work, his 35 points are fine with me. If he puts up points but is on the ice for more goals against, he doesn’t belong on the top line.

How many teams have won with a 30pt player on the top line ?

 

[mm11]

Imagine you have 4 Cs

1C - 22mins - 22yrs old
2C - 18mins - 25yrs old
3C - 14mins - 32yrs old
4C - 6mins - 41 years old

That's an average C core of 30 years old.

however, 67% of the icetime goes to guys who average 23.5 yrs old.

In my mind, this C core is not a 30 years old core, it's in it's low 20's. The core players, who have a substaintally larger impact, are not close to 30.

I apply this logic to full teams (well, skaters) as well. I don't think the #6dman and #12 forward, each playing 6 mins a night, should weigh equally with the guys playing the big minutes.

 

[mm11]

Because 4th liners who won't be back next year can increase your age. They become as important in that age stat as a 1st line C.
Islanders issue is the age of those forwards and how many years they are locked up.

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thanks, I see (7) Islanders over 30 right now coming off the books potentially in 2024. Again, lurking here at work so don't have adequate time to dissect. Isles core is fairly young if you ask me....

Imagine you have 4 Cs

1C - 22mins - 22yrs old
2C - 18mins - 25yrs old
3C - 14mins - 32yrs old
4C - 6mins - 41 years old

That's an average C core of 30 years old.

however, 67% of the icetime goes to guys who average 23.5 yrs old.

In my mind, this C core is not a 30 years old core, it's in it's low 20's. The core players, who have a substaintally larger impact, are not close to 30.

I apply this logic to full teams (well, skaters) as well. I don't think the #6dman and #12 forward, each playing 6 mins a night, should weigh equally with the guys playing the big minutes.

looks Dandy, thanks for sharing

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

It's kinda crazy how the Isles are a dark horse now, when their team is more or less the same that made the ECF twice in a row.

I don't know exactly how good they'll be this year, but to see them as anything less than a bubble team that has a shot at making the playoffs is selling them short. And if they make it, anything can happen.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

They're basically Columbus when they had Bobrovsky those last few years of him being there. Never gonna be frontrunners but you can't count them out of anything.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

How many teams have won with a 30pt player on the top line ?

[Flexing time]
Pens in 2016 won with rookie Sheary on the top line. I believe he had like 11 points or something in 40 games, so slightly over a 20 point pace. He followed that up with 10 points in 24 playoff games, or a roughly 35 point pace.
[/end flexing]

 

[PaulD]

Final four in 2020 and 2021 ...... down year 2022.
2023 - Wild card is my prediction
this season. Built for play offs . Excellent goaltending

 

[Rehabguy]

I’ll ask again… why would HF have a grudge against the Isles?

Essentially zero success

No truly hateable players

Smaller fanbase

No star player to hate just because he’s good (see:McDavid)

No noticeable tanking


So why do we all hate the Isles? You’re just one of the posters who believe “any bad word against my team makes you a hater”

FWIW I don’t see any particular hatred for the Isles. I remember during their recent deep playoff runs they had a lot of support here from fans of other teams even some Ranger fans.

I can understand fans including our own believing that the Isles don’t stand a chance this year based on last year’s performance but I just don’t see it that way. I’ve seen the same group of players easily defy such low expectations that make such predictions absurd. They are a proven playoff team and only got better this year.

We’ll see what happens but I’m calling them this years dark horse.

Final four in 2020 and 2021 ...... down year 2022.
2023 - Wild card is my prediction
this season. Built for play offs . Excellent goaltending

Thank you! Sensible post.

 

[Rehabguy]

It's kinda crazy how the Isles are a dark horse now, when their team is more or less the same that made the ECF twice in a row.

I don't know exactly how good they'll be this year, but to see them as anything less than a bubble team that has a shot at making the playoffs is selling them short. And if they make it, anything can happen.

Had to call them a dark horse because many including the media already wrote them off, but I don’t really see them as a dark horse but a true playoff contender for the same reasons as you. To think of themselves as anything else is absurd.

 

[nbwingsfan]

[Flexing time]
Pens in 2016 won with rookie Sheary on the top line. I believe he had like 11 points or something in 40 games, so slightly over a 20 point pace. He followed that up with 10 points in 24 playoff games, or a roughly 35 point pace.
[/end flexing]

True. They also had a franchise player on the second line and a 3rd line putting up 1st line numbers in the playoffs.

NYI… well, not so much.

 

[rangersfansince08]

[Flexing time]
Pens in 2016 won with rookie Sheary on the top line. I believe he had like 11 points or something in 40 games, so slightly over a 20 point pace. He followed that up with 10 points in 24 playoff games, or a roughly 35 point pace.
[/end flexing]

Helps having two generational talents

 

[Kevin27NYI]

They're basically Columbus when they had Bobrovsky those last few years of him being there. Never gonna be frontrunners but you can't count them out of anything.

CBJ didn’t have playoff success

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

CBJ didn’t have playoff success

Did I say they had playoff success? Also, Columbus beat Tampa, which was considered an enormous playoff success.

 

[Rehabguy]

I think teams have to view themselves as a sum of all their parts. The Isles are an experienced team now. Well taught under the best defensive coach in hockey. Strong down the middle with excellent 2 way centers who were all taught how to play a 200 foot game. They have snipers at the wings. They have big mobile defenseman some of whom such as Pulock and Dobson who may join the offensive rush this upcoming season. They have few young fairly untested goal scorers who might become dominant scorers in more relaxed system. They have one of the best goaltenders in the game today.

They don’t have 1 superstar player on the team, (though Barzal might have something to say about that this year) but because of that they are well balanced and a threat on every line. There’s no weakness at any position as far as I can.

That’s what the other teams have to measure up against. I don’t remember any of the so called superstar lines being a problem for the Isles. They shut them down.

12 goals in 2 games. Still a long shot? Wally with 3 in 2 games. The Isles activating their D and giving their younger scorers a chance was the only logical step to take. This is what other wannabes going to have to measure up against. This team will dominate!

 

[nbwingsfan]

12 goals in 2 games. Still a long shot? Wally with 3 in 2 games. The Isles activating their D and giving their younger scorers a chance was the only logical step to take. This is what other wannabes going to have to measure up against. This team will dominate!

Again, wins against Anaheim (who just lost to NJ of all teams) and the zero wins SJ is not a great argument for them dominating

 

[Rehabguy]

Again, wins against Anaheim (who just lost to NJ of all teams) and the zero wins SJ is not a great argument for them dominating

Give it up man. This is a better version of the Islanders that made that made the semi finals the last 3 years. Younger, stronger, faster. 4 lines deep. 2 strong goaltenders. They beat the teams they are supposed to beat. I like the fact that their new system gives them the opportunity to put the game on their own hands rather than Trotz over reliance on the opposition to make a mistake. The Isles have the high level takent and now they get to showcase it. I know it’s early but I’m convinced this system more often than not will win hockey games. They are a complete team. Bubble team? Are u crazy?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Give it up man. This is a better version of the Islanders that made that made the semi finals the last 3 years. Younger, stronger, faster. 4 lines deep. 2 strong goaltenders. They beat the teams they are supposed to beat. I like the fact that their new system gives them the opportunity to put the game on their own hands rather than Trotz over reliance on the opposition to make a mistake. The Isles have the high level takent and now they get to showcase it. I know it’s early but I’m convinced this system more often than not will win hockey games. They are a complete team. Bubble team? Are u crazy?

Detroit has a better record right now than NYI. By your logic of three game samples, we’re a better team.

The defeats against two of the bottom 5 teams in the league proves absolutely nothing. Unless you really believe the Bolts aren’t making the playoffs either.

 

[Foehammer]

Because they beat a couple of tanking teams???

 

[Ruthervin]

insecure much?

He has the voice of a man who has shared a locker room full of men from Congo and Cameroon. :-o

 

[Mikeshane]

With their lack of activity in the offseason they are probably looking for a guy like Wahlstrom have some sort of breakout season. So far so good.

 

[2014nyr]

Give it up man. This is a better version of the Islanders that made that made the semi finals the last 3 years. Younger, stronger, faster. 4 lines deep. 2 strong goaltenders. They beat the teams they are supposed to beat. I like the fact that their new system gives them the opportunity to put the game on their own hands rather than Trotz over reliance on the opposition to make a mistake. The Isles have the high level takent and now they get to showcase it. I know it’s early but I’m convinced this system more often than not will win hockey games. They are a complete team. Bubble team? Are u crazy?

what semi finals were the isles in last year? i must have missed there being a 3rd year to that.

remember when trotz made the isles unbeatable with his system and structure and is all we heard about? can't believe it was actually holding back all that high level talent the whole time. cant believe now they have the actual magic system though and no one stands a chance...too much high level talent...dang

 

[Rehabguy]

Detroit has a better record right now than NYI. By your logic of three game samples, we’re a better team.

The defeats against two of the bottom 5 teams in the league proves absolutely nothing. Unless you really believe the Bolts aren’t making the playoffs either.

What has Detroit done in the past 5 years to even be in this conversation at all? This is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about 3 games I’m talking about the last 4-5 years. These 3 games are further evidence that the Isles are still in it. Yet you seem to so self assured that one blip of a season on the radar and all has fallen apart on Long Island. That’s absurd. You go by the body of evidence and not one season that EVERYONE says was just an outlier and easily explained.

 

[Rehabguy]

what semi finals were the isles in last year? i must have missed there being a 3rd year to that.

remember when trotz made the isles unbeatable with his system and structure and is all we heard about? can't believe it was actually holding back all that high level talent the whole time. cant believe now they have the actual magic system though and no one stands a chance...too much high level talent...dang

Trotz purportedly- according to many of you guys took a weak team and made it perform better than it should have. Yet prior to Trotz/Lou they were already making it to the playoffs and past the first round with a weaker team. The Leafs have not made it past the first round- does that make them a bottom dweller? So much illogical nonsense to go around it’s ridiculous!

With their lack of activity in the offseason they are probably looking for a guy like Wahlstrom have some sort of breakout season. So far so good.

Yes so far so good. I’m betting it will be a great year. We’ll see how it goes. If they don’t I guess I will have some explaining to do. Lol. But I believe in this team. LGI!!!