I think enough time has gone by, anyone besides me wanna see

[justloveleafs]

babcock make a reappearance..

I thought he did a great job while he was here for the most part. And his accent or whatever u call it, I mean it was worth ten million a year, just to listen to.

I would imagine a few nhl players owe their careers to this guy... Heck, Zach Hyman and his dad probably have given the guy a few condo's....Hey just kidding i seek safe harbor on that issue.

No mike babcock, no brian burke and NO don cherry..

Just an endless slew of ass slurpers... wow...Leafs better win some playoff rounds i dont know how long i can watch the endless piles of shit that report on hockey...

Not only losers, but boring losers.. woof

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[ACC1224]

Yikes

 

[Polaris1010]

babcock make a reappearance..

Clearly there are philosophical differences between coach Babcock and current analytics regime in the Maple Leafs front office.

The important difference is this I think.

What Babcock tried to do, was old school, mold the young team into men, into champions. Coach Babcock tried to find the right mix, and push everyone in the right direction.

"Play the right way."

"Be a good pro."

What coach Babcock was going to do, was he was going to do slowly. Remember when before the kids emerged? Babcock said, "There is going to be pain."

In other words, what Babcock wanted to do, was build a program, build a winning program, which takes some time.

What Dubas and the analytics people want to do, it is kind of different.

The analytics is not really building a hockey program, it is just finding the right numbers to fit into the lineup. If certain metrics are met, then it is great.

That is the big difference. Babcock needed the time. Analytics does not seem it needs that time.

According to some analytical sources, this Maple Leafs team is at a peak of performance. Say what?!

Seems like according to analytics, there is not much more room for improvement or upside. The analytics, therefore the team, those are at a peak.

With Babcock, everyday you had to improve on something. The player was always pushed to improve. The kids got tired of listening to that, and out went the coach, to be replaced by a "yes" man.

To me, with Babcock, there was always a sense of trying to build something, trying to improve, even though people disagreed with his methods.

Now with Dubas analytics, we no longer need to push to see improvement, because we have reached a good spot with the analytic numbers. To a lot of us, seems like we have reached a ceiling and now going sideways.

 

[Polaris1010]

Babcock: he tried to build a winner, got fired for it.

Dubas: he inherited a lot of high end talent and built an average team.

That is why we are Leafs fans.

We are losers!

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Clearly there are philosophical differences between coach Babcock and current analytics regime in the Maple Leafs front office.

The important difference is this I think.

What Babcock tried to do, was old school, mold the young team into men, into champions. Coach Babcock tried to find the right mix, and push everyone in the right direction.

"Play the right way."

"Be a good pro."

What coach Babcock was going to do, was he was going to do slowly. Remember when before the kids emerged? Babcock said, "There is going to be pain."

In other words, what Babcock wanted to do, was build a program, build a winning program, which takes some time.

What Dubas and the analytics people want to do, it is kind of different.

The analytics is not really building a hockey program, it is just finding the right numbers to fit into the lineup. If certain metrics are met, then it is great.

That is the big difference. Babcock needed the time. Analytics does not seem it needs that time.

According to some analytical sources, this Maple Leafs team is at a peak of performance. Say what?!

Seems like according to analytics, there is not much more room for improvement or upside. The analytics, therefore the team, those are at a peak.

With Babcock, everyday you had to improve on something. The player was always pushed to improve. The kids got tired of listening to that, and out went the coach, to be replaced by a "yes" man.

To me, with Babcock, there was always a sense of trying to build something, trying to improve, even though people disagreed with his methods.

Now with Dubas analytics, we no longer need to push to see improvement, because we have reached a good spot with the analytic numbers. To a lot of us, seems like we have reached a ceiling and now going sideways.

I can tell you haven't watched All or Nothing.

 

[Nineteen67]

Babcock was good on NBC last year and I wouldn’t mind seeing him end up analyzing somewhere.

 

[Prominence]

I can tell you haven't watched All or Nothing.

Or…
- remember that babcock uses awful tactics such as getting a rookie to rank players from most effort to least effort and then exposing said list to players who show least amount of effort

- berating players to the point of mental degradation

- not making proper adjustments during playoff series

- having a shoddy record before getting canned

 

[GrizzLeaf]

No.

 

[Pookie]

Leafs have gone downhill with better players.

That said, I don’t think this is a Babcock/Keefe debate.

Shanahan brought Lou and Babcock in for a purpose. That same year an exec went to the cops about cocaine issues around the team.

Eventually, the players didn’t like what they were trying to do.

The core quit.

New coach installed. New players brought in.

And they have underachieved even more.

If Babcock and Lou had stayed, this core 4 wouldn’t look like it does now. If it did, I don’t think he gets any different results. In fact, it would probably be worse as the players continued to quit on him.

 

[Pookie]

Or…
- remember that babcock uses awful tactics such as getting a rookie to rank players from most effort to least effort and then exposing said list to players who show least amount of effort

- berating players to the point of mental degradation

- not making proper adjustments during playoff series

- having a shoddy record before getting canned

Or .. pissing off Matthews to the point that an offseason apology tour was necessary

 

[Enga Olly]

good grief really glad HF posters are never in a position for Leaf decision making

Babcock did not get the results OP is after

worried about PO results with a season that's 4 games on. Stop watching the Leafs now, tune in starting April.. or not who cares.

Don Cherry/Babcock/Burke? gtfo troll

 

[exporta]

Clearly there are philosophical differences between coach Babcock and current analytics regime in the Maple Leafs front office.

The important difference is this I think.

What Babcock tried to do, was old school, mold the young team into men, into champions. Coach Babcock tried to find the right mix, and push everyone in the right direction.

"Play the right way."

"Be a good pro."

What coach Babcock was going to do, was he was going to do slowly. Remember when before the kids emerged? Babcock said, "There is going to be pain."

In other words, what Babcock wanted to do, was build a program, build a winning program, which takes some time.

What Dubas and the analytics people want to do, it is kind of different.

The analytics is not really building a hockey program, it is just finding the right numbers to fit into the lineup. If certain metrics are met, then it is great.

That is the big difference. Babcock needed the time. Analytics does not seem it needs that time.

According to some analytical sources, this Maple Leafs team is at a peak of performance. Say what?!

Seems like according to analytics, there is not much more room for improvement or upside. The analytics, therefore the team, those are at a peak.

With Babcock, everyday you had to improve on something. The player was always pushed to improve. The kids got tired of listening to that, and out went the coach, to be replaced by a "yes" man.

To me, with Babcock, there was always a sense of trying to build something, trying to improve, even though people disagreed with his methods.

Now with Dubas analytics, we no longer need to push to see improvement, because we have reached a good spot with the analytic numbers. To a lot of us, seems like we have reached a ceiling and now going sideways.

Wow, you actually think that the case???

Wow

 

[Leaf Fans]

babcock make a reappearance..

I thought he did a great job while he was here for the most part. And his accent or whatever u call it, I mean it was worth ten million a year, just to listen to.

I would imagine a few nhl players owe their careers to this guy... Heck, Zach Hyman and his dad probably have given the guy a few condo's....Hey just kidding i seek safe harbor on that issue.

No mike babcock, no brian burke and NO don cherry..

Just an endless slew of ass slurpers... wow...Leafs better win some playoff rounds i dont know how long i can watch the endless piles of shit that report on hockey...

Not only losers, but boring losers.. woof

Babcock: he tried to build a winner, got fired for it.

Dubas: he inherited a lot of high end talent and built an average team.

That is why we are Leafs fans.

We are losers!

You may be, but not all of us. For the example, I am not.

 

[TMLegend]

They'd be in a better spot today if they had kept the old guard instead of going for inexperience all the way around. That's all I'm going to say on the matter since its been beaten to death many times.

 

[Polaris1010]

You may be, but not all of us. For the example, I am not.

Yeah, sure, I believe you buddy!

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[Polaris1010]

Wow, you actually think that the case???

Wow

This team is going no where.

 

[Fogelhund]

The jury is truly out on whether Keefe is the right coach, but most certainly Babcock wasn’t the guy to continue with this team. It was obvious he was done here, and for good reason. Amazing how quickly some people forget these things.

 

[killer1980]

To a lot of us, seems like we have reached a ceiling and now going sideways.

Or backwards

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yeah, sure, I believe you buddy!

ROTFLMAO!!!

I don't believe you.

 

[ZEBROA]

Ok.... scary stuff.

The earth is flat. And it is common sense for everybody to wear a wepon for protection against everybody. We(the humans) never landed on the moon. And Babcock is a great coach in todays NHL

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Clearly there are philosophical differences between coach Babcock and current analytics regime in the Maple Leafs front office.

The important difference is this I think.

What Babcock tried to do, was old school, mold the young team into men, into champions. Coach Babcock tried to find the right mix, and push everyone in the right direction.

"Play the right way."

"Be a good pro."

What coach Babcock was going to do, was he was going to do slowly. Remember when before the kids emerged? Babcock said, "There is going to be pain."

In other words, what Babcock wanted to do, was build a program, build a winning program, which takes some time.

What Dubas and the analytics people want to do, it is kind of different.

The analytics is not really building a hockey program, it is just finding the right numbers to fit into the lineup. If certain metrics are met, then it is great.

That is the big difference. Babcock needed the time. Analytics does not seem it needs that time.

According to some analytical sources, this Maple Leafs team is at a peak of performance. Say what?!

Seems like according to analytics, there is not much more room for improvement or upside. The analytics, therefore the team, those are at a peak.

With Babcock, everyday you had to improve on something. The player was always pushed to improve. The kids got tired of listening to that, and out went the coach, to be replaced by a "yes" man.

To me, with Babcock, there was always a sense of trying to build something, trying to improve, even though people disagreed with his methods.

Now with Dubas analytics, we no longer need to push to see improvement, because we have reached a good spot with the analytic numbers. To a lot of us, seems like we have reached a ceiling and now going sideways.

With Babcock and Lou, the plan was to meticulously build.....for long term success. Leaf brass did not really want to wait, and Babs was scaring the kids. So where are they now, a meandering, low to mid level team with no room to improve.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Keefe has been outcoached two straight playoffs but so was Babcock by Cassidy 2 straight years. Keefe killed us by ignoring line matching, Babcock killed us by pigheaded adherence to line matchups. Potato, potato. I'd give the nod to Keefe over Babcock just for the improved defensive structure and hope he wises up on the other stuff.

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

LOUD NOISES

 

[TheTotalPackage]

That ship has sailed. But I do maintain the team would be further today than it is now if he were still around. I truly believe he had a long term vision for the team and players and he would have executed it.

 

[Mess]

The jury is truly out on whether Keefe is the right coach, but most certainly Babcock wasn’t the guy to continue with this team. It was obvious he was done here, and for good reason. Amazing how quickly some people forget these things.

People won't soon forget when Leafs were setting 100 year old franchise best marks for points 105 and wins 49 by a Leafs team in a season, where their coach was a finalist for the Jack Adams the year prior (his third time being a finalist for the NHL coach of the year award), when he led the Leafs from 30th place the season before to their first playoff berth since 2013 and 1st playoff birth in a full season since 2004.

Of course that came with a HOF GM and a NHL coach that is top 10 in NHL wins career all time, so those results weren't all that surprising. But Leaf nation was going through a world of hurt from 2004 on until Babcock arrived, to restore a regular playoff appearance again.

Babcock of course leading Canada to back to back Olympic gold medals for Canada at both the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, and the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, will be what Canadians will most fondly remember him for.

Coach Babcock became the only coach to achieve the Triple Gold Club; members have won a Stanley Cup, an Olympic gold medal and a World Championship, and he also guided Canada to gold at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey, to gold at the IIHF World Junior Championships in 1997, and the University of Lethbridge to the CIS University Cup in 1994.

A proven winner at all levels and a sure fire first ballot Hockey Hall of fame inductee, where he will join his former Leafs GM.

Kyle Dubas believed he knew more about winning than his legendary coach, so he replaced him, and here we are today, where after 2 embarrassing 1st round losses to CBJ and Montreal we await the results of this years playoffs to see what happens next.