I Know What You Did Last Deadline: All Bruins Proposals/Rumors

[Healthy Wrap]

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

I'm with you. Spooner is trending upwards. I see him as potentially Krejci's replacement. There's no one on Winnipeg, let alone Minnesota, that I'd give him up for. Eriksson is a different story.

 

[Coach Parker]

Too small? Huh?

Chara 6'9
McQuaid 6'4
Seidenberg 6'1
C.Miller 6'1

This board is delusional in the thinking that somehow having two D-men the size of Krug and Vatanen at the same time wouldn't work. Can't have a group of slow giants either, it's not 2003 anymore.

Exactly. ON this thread, size is more important than skill, scoring, defense, system, breakout and winning.

 

[Coach Parker]

Are you really going to pay 11 million a year moving forward on 2 defenseman who are undersized to say the least.

Yes. They are more skilled and play the game of hockey better than the other four 'giants' combined.

 

[ranold26]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lle-all-star-winnipeg-jets-contract/79563656/

Kevin Allen.

 

[Coach Parker]

Ummm I think your TOI math may be a little off

Yeah, wasn't aware of the minutes Julien was giving his #6 defensemen. Still, the point remains that giving him the minutes that hey plays / game will significantly reduce the ice time of the other five players and significantly increase the quality of play on the ice from the defence. The passes to the forwards become cleaner, the breakout has a faster transition, the 2nd unit PP is vastly improved with a solid PP QB and the scoring increases when the puck is down deep.

 

[Coach Parker]

Shattenkirk is elite at both ends of the ice, so yes. I wouldn't say the same about Vatanen.

But you'd agree that Vatanen is better this year than Krug, correct?

 

[Coach Parker]

Coyle would make a sweet Bruin. Size, skill and finally starting to get it. So then we would have our new era version of Nathan Horton. All we are missing is another big power forward on the left wing. Nick Ritchie anyone?

Ritchie/Krejci/Coyle

Nick Ritchie?

NICK Ritchie?

The probable bust from the worst franchise at drafting players who is in the AHL and scoring less than Khokhlachev, Czarnik or Griffiths on the first line?

No thanks. Ritchie is worth Khokhlachev at most.

 

[Absurdity]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lle-all-star-winnipeg-jets-contract/79563656/

Kevin Allen.

It'll be interesting to see what Winnipeg does with Byfuglien. The Winnipeg Sun wrote a similar piece saying that if the Jets are out of the playoffs, there's a good chance he will be dealt at the deadline if an agreement can't be met, otherwise, they would like to keep him for a playoff run. It looks like they want to re-sign him, but I guess we'll see how things shape out.

 

[BB88]

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

And defensively #1D. I'd love to get prime Seids who can skate/move the puck, we have offensive D-players to take care of the offense, and true #1D's are so so damm hard to find.

Minnesota needs a young true top6 forward, if you want a D-player from them that's what it's going to take, most likely.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lle-all-star-winnipeg-jets-contract/79563656/

Kevin Allen.

Problem is that Bruins are likely going to sell Eriksson which doesn't fit into his comments why Sweeney would go after him.

 

[BruinDust]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lle-all-star-winnipeg-jets-contract/79563656/

Kevin Allen.

Given that Lucic was dealt because Sweeney knew he would be looking for term of 5-7 years to a almost-30 year old player, and he is essentially going to deal Eriksson for the same reason, it makes zero sense for the Bruins to pursue a trade for Byfuglien unless they are prepared to give him the 5-7 year term he's looking for, which I don't think they would be prepared to do.

 

[DitClapper]

Nick Ritchie?

NICK Ritchie?

The probable bust from the worst franchise at drafting players who is in the AHL and scoring less than Khokhlachev, Czarnik or Griffiths on the first line?

No thanks. Ritchie is worth Khokhlachev at most.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? I did not mean for my post to come off hasty, I'm sorry if it did? Anyway, Ritchie is younger than all 3 players. And is actually playing really well in his first pro year. He would be a great fit to this club.

 

[DitClapper]

http://www.startribune.com/nhl-insider-another-strong-finish-is-uncertain-for-the-wild/367110361/

The Wild have already traded their second and third round draft picks, which is part of the reason GM Chuck Fletcher says that he prefers to make a “good hockey deal†for a player that would be long-term over short-term.

The Wild have reportedly talked to the Bruins about pending UFA Loui Eriksson. Unless the Wild were able to shed some future money, Eriksson would be rental. Eriksson is reportedly looking for $6 million a year, a number the Wild are likely not able to afford.

 

[AustinBruins]

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

Here's the thing though, if I am the GM and I am looking at my defense, I know that a true #1 guy who can play shutdown defense AND score is going to be cost prohibitive, both in terms of acquisition and salary. I look at the young defenders on my team and what do most of them have in common? Between Krug, C.Miller and even Morrow, they are offensively gifted, powerplay QBs and puckmovers who aren't elite in their own zone. In other words, I have offense from defense already in my lineup and on the come.

If I could target the best combination of defender and cost and what I need, I am looking for a shutdown defender, who can skate, start the break and move the puck, who is physical enough to be able to clear his crease, who excels on the PK and who can log lots of minutes with the toughest assignments each night. If I can find that guy and his offensive numbers are not great, I am *thrilled* because that keeps his cost down low enough where I might be able to get him.

Dougie Hamilton gets paid because he can put up points.

If Brodin can do all the things I listed and the other guys we love talking about will cost way too much for us to ever acquire, then I am definitely happy to add him.

 

[Ice Nine]

And defensively #1D. I'd love to get prime Seids who can skate/move the puck, we have offensive D-players to take care of the offense, and true #1D's are so so damm hard to find.

Minnesota needs a young true top6 forward, if you want a D-player from them that's what it's going to take, most likely.

Here's the thing though, if I am the GM and I am looking at my defense, I know that a true #1 guy who can play shutdown defense AND score is going to be cost prohibitive, both in terms of acquisition and salary. I look at the young defenders on my team and what do most of them have in common? Between Krug, C.Miller and even Morrow, they are offensively gifted, powerplay QBs and puckmovers who aren't elite in their own zone. In other words, I have offense from defense already in my lineup and on the come.

If I could target the best combination of defender and cost and what I need, I am looking for a shutdown defender, who can skate, start the break and move the puck, who is physical enough to be able to clear his crease, who excels on the PK and who can log lots of minutes with the toughest assignments each night. If I can find that guy and his offensive numbers are not great, I am *thrilled* because that keeps his cost down low enough where I might be able to get him.

Dougie Hamilton gets paid because he can put up points.

If Brodin can do all the things I listed and the other guys we love talking about will cost way too much for us to ever acquire, then I am definitely happy to add him.

We won a cup because we had a true #1D, who was also consistently one of the top D in the entire league for years.

Pretty much every team that has won a Cup in the last 10 years has had a #1D, who is among the best in the league (at the time): Doughty, Keith, Chara, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Boyle, etc, etc.

Krug can carry some offensive production, but right now Colin and Morrow are questions marks long term as top 4D for us. I think the potential is there, but they may be a few years away, if we're honest. Defensemen often take years to develop (see Hedman in Tampa).

I can see Trouba being a #1D, same with Shattenkirk, and certainly Chychrun, who is good enough to have an impact immediately in 2016/17, post-draft (the way Ekblad did).

Not Brodin. So he is a younger, better version of Seidenberg. OK. But if we're moving Eriksson, I think we should use assets in return to package for a true #1, not a Seidenberg replacement. That's not going to be easy, but I think it's something we need to do to contend in the post-Chara era.

 

[BB88]

We won a cup because we had a true #1D, who was also consistently one of the top D in the entire league for years.

Pretty much every team that has won a Cup in the last 10 years has had a #1D, who is among the best in the league (at the time): Doughty, Keith, Chara, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Boyle, etc, etc.

Krug can carry some offensive production, but right now Colin and Morrow are questions marks long term as top 4D for us. I think the potential is there, but they may be a few years away, if we're honest. Defensemen often take years to develop (see Hedman in Tampa).

I can see Trouba being a #1D, same with Shattenkirk, and certainly Chychrun, who is good enough to have an impact immediately in 2016/17, post-draft (the way Ekblad did).

Not Brodin. So he is a younger, better version of Seidenberg. OK. But he's not a Chara replacement. If we want to contend after Chara, we need a true #1.

If we're moving Eriksson, I think we should use assets in return to package for a true #1, not a Seidenberg replacement. That's not going to be easy, but I think it's something we need to do to contend in the post-Chara era.

I want Sweeney to get a true #1D because like you said those are huge impact players.
But it is highly highly highly unlikely he is going to get one via trade and Brodin would be a great price then but we are bad trading partners.

Only way to get a true (potential) #1D is to draft that player(top 8-12 pick) and go all in at the draft weekend, but again will that happen?

 

[Ice Nine]

I want Sweeney to get a true #1D because like you said those are huge impact players.
But it is highly highly highly unlikely he is going to get one via trade and Brodin would be a great price then but we are bad trading partners.

Only way to get a true (potential) #1D is to draft that player(top 8-12 pick) and go all in at the draft weekend, but again will that happen?

Yes, it certainly isn't easy. But based on what bcbruin and others have said, Sweeney did, in fact, try it last year, and almost pulled it off to draft Hanifan (fell through at the last minute, for some unknown reason).

And Chychrun, I think, is going to be better than Hanifan, and start stronger. Shattenkirk is another option to go hard after in the off season, but DS needs to be sure we can re-sign him.

 

[ashnathan]

Im a huge Coyle guy. But with Spooner hes obsolete. So does that mean Spooner will be shopped cos his price would be fairly good?

Id take Scandella and Coyle. Like them both. Sounds like a bit of an overpayment though (which is fine) so makes it sound less credible.

 

[BB88]

Yes, it certainly isn't easy. But based on what bcbruin and others have said, Sweeney did, in fact, try it last year, and almost pulled it off to draft Hanifan (fell through at the last minute, for some unknown reason).

And Chychrun, I think, is going to be better than Hanifan, and start stronger. Shattenkirk is another option to go hard after in the off season, but DS needs to be sure we can re-sign him.

I'm absoutely fine with using all the 1st round picks to land that D-player, adding more depth is not nearly important than adding that missing player.

But if those picks are all playoff picks it makes this trade again a lot more harder.
So worst case scenario(which is very likely) Sweeney can't still fix this problem this offseason.

 

[ashnathan]

http://www.startribune.com/nhl-insider-another-strong-finish-is-uncertain-for-the-wild/367110361/

The Wild have already traded their second and third round draft picks, which is part of the reason GM Chuck Fletcher says that he prefers to make a “good hockey deal†for a player that would be long-term over short-term.

The Wild have reportedly talked to the Bruins about pending UFA Loui Eriksson. Unless the Wild were able to shed some future money, Eriksson would be rental. Eriksson is reportedly looking for $6 million a year, a number the Wild are likely not able to afford.

Bet they wish they could trade Vanek.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

Couldn't agree more. That's why Brodin + Coyle for Loui isn't crazy at all.

 

[HeartsAlive]

Couldn't agree more. That's why Brodin + Coyle for Loui isn't crazy at all.

Regardless of their ceilings, I just don't see this happening at all. Brodin and Coyle are locked up long term at fairly reasonable deals. I don't see them being moved for a UFA, unless Boston is adding significantly.

 

[Over the volcano]

Couldn't agree more. That's why Brodin + Coyle for Loui isn't crazy at all.

It's crazy unless Boston passes along quite a bit with loui. It is interesting that the wild are missing a few of their draft picks this year and Boston is flush with em

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

Brodin wouldn't be the be-all end-all for the Bruins on the blueline.

But I've said before that the trade target for at least this season should be a partner for Chara. If Brodin IS actually available (which is something I don't believe, personally) then he fits the bill.

And I'm not as familiar with Coyle as others... Some are saying that he'd make Spooner expendable? I'd want him on the wing.

 

[Bear Town Shaker]

Which is why I think Sweeney needs to turn his attention back to a team like Nashville. The need to acquire draft picks,hopefully No.1's, can only allow him more leverage on Draft Day to better his position to deal. With teams like Arizona and, dare I say, Toronto with multiple picks themselves, it may just give him the chance to move up and snag the best D man he can that best fits the bill.

 

[BB88]

Brodin wouldn't be the be-all end-all for the Bruins on the blueline.

But I've said before that the trade target for at least this season should be a partner for Chara. If Brodin IS actually available (which is something I don't believe, personally) then he fits the bill.

And I'm not as familiar with Coyle as others... Some are saying that he'd make Spooner expendable? I'd want him on the wing.

Brodins been available for young true top6 talent with term, they need that desperately.

Brodin wouldn't be elite D-player but he would give Sweeney an honest top pairing, someone who can play Chara's defensive minutes when he retires and time for prospects to develop and see what they have in the prospect pool.