I Know What You Did Last Deadline: All Bruins Proposals/Rumors

[4ORRBRUIN]

Good day for a trade

 

[ODAAT]

Good day for a trade

is it permitted to trade on All-Star weekend?

 

[sarge88]

Good day for a trade

Isn't there a moratorium during the All Star break.

 

[neelynugs]

Isn't there a moratorium during the All Star break.

no sir. didn't oates get traded to boston during the ASB?

 

[Speed Shooter]

The Minny rumors make some level of sense given the Bruins playoff position and Sweeney's comment that "the Bruins don't punt" which make sense from a PR standpoint but hopefully wouldn't inhibit the right return with more value down the road. I'd imagine Morrow and or Koko would be involved if Brodin was coming back in addition to Coyle but it still seems to favor us quite a bit. Not likely to happen but I'd love Jacon Larsson if we dealt with Anaheim but that may be a tough sell given he's a year or two away....having a nice season statistically for a 18/19 year old in the SEL and he's a pretty balanced defenseman from all the reports with a nice frame. I've been a huge Theodore fan for a long time but recognize his value/upside to ANA and agree that he's not going anywhere.

I don't think it's as far fetched that Dumba could come back to BOS in an Eriksson deal as many people suggest. Numbers show that Yeo (at the moment) just doesn't value Dumba's place in the lineup opposed to rest of defenseman with everyone healthy.

Look at Dumba's ice time last 10 games. Somewhat surprising to me given he's already got 120 NHL games under his belt:

1/25 - 14:15 (E)
1/23 - 13:11 (-1)
1/21 - 11:22 (E)
1/20 - 19:16 (E)
1/16 - 13:36 (E)
1/15 - 17:36 (-1)
1/12 - 16:13 (-1)
1/10 - 15:18 (-1)
1/9 - 13:13 (+2)
1/7 - 10:29 (-2)

Last 10 games:
G:0
A: 0
+/-: -4
TOI: 14:26 (Season AVG is 15:54

Looks to me like a great buy low candidate, considering MIN has other young D prospects (Folin - R; Reilly - L) in the pipeline to bring up if they deal him.

Maybe B's send Trotman back to offset, as R, plus he'd instantly be biggest Defender they have.

 

[sarge88]

no sir. didn't oates get traded to boston during the ASB?

Sounds right, but I thought that changed at some point.

If not I'm surprised that more deals don't happen during the week end, with so many GM's likely in one place.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I'd hope Trotman sticks with the Bruins, he's a solid 3rd pairing option in place of McQuaid who hurt often

 

[BB88]

I don't think it's as far fetched that Dumba could come back to BOS in an Eriksson deal as many people suggest. Numbers show that Yeo (at the moment) just doesn't value Dumba's place in the lineup opposed to rest of defenseman with everyone healthy.

Look at Dumba's ice time last 10 games. Somewhat surprising to me given he's already got 120 NHL games under his belt:

1/25 - 14:15 (E)
1/23 - 13:11 (-1)
1/21 - 11:22 (E)
1/20 - 19:16 (E)
1/16 - 13:36 (E)
1/15 - 17:36 (-1)
1/12 - 16:13 (-1)
1/10 - 15:18 (-1)
1/9 - 13:13 (+2)
1/7 - 10:29 (-2)

Last 10 games:
G:0
A: 0
+/-: -4
TOI: 14:26 (Season AVG is 15:54

Looks to me like a great buy low candidate, considering MIN has other young D prospects (Folin - R; Reilly - L) in the pipeline to bring up if they deal him.

Maybe B's send Trotman back to offset, as R, plus he'd instantly be biggest Defender they have.

Dumba would be a high high risk pick for that top pairing, he is right now a 3rd pairing D in Boston and not close to being top pairing level and his defense needs a lot of work, again with him is the problem of not being able to take the next step.

And still if you want one of their D's you have to make it worth it for them and we really don't have the forwards they'd want for him, forwards that would be available.

 

[Pia8988]

I don't think it's as far fetched that Dumba could come back to BOS in an Eriksson deal as many people suggest. Numbers show that Yeo (at the moment) just doesn't value Dumba's place in the lineup opposed to rest of defenseman with everyone healthy.

Look at Dumba's ice time last 10 games. Somewhat surprising to me given he's already got 120 NHL games under his belt:

1/25 - 14:15 (E)
1/23 - 13:11 (-1)
1/21 - 11:22 (E)
1/20 - 19:16 (E)
1/16 - 13:36 (E)
1/15 - 17:36 (-1)
1/12 - 16:13 (-1)
1/10 - 15:18 (-1)
1/9 - 13:13 (+2)
1/7 - 10:29 (-2)

Last 10 games:
G:0
A: 0
+/-: -4
TOI: 14:26 (Season AVG is 15:54

Looks to me like a great buy low candidate, considering MIN has other young D prospects (Folin - R; Reilly - L) in the pipeline to bring up if they deal him.

Maybe B's send Trotman back to offset, as R, plus he'd instantly be biggest Defender they have.

I don't think 3 weeks changing anything regarding the value of a 21 year old. Should we have sold off Subban after he **** the bed against St Louis? It might make him more available in the eyes of Fletcher, but not hurt his value much

 

[wintersej]

I know that there haven't been rumors about Trouba/Myers being available.

But...

if WPG resigns Buff and Trouba sticks to their internal cap of 60-65 million they have operated at over the past few years, they will have a worse team than this years bad team at the same cap hit.

Spending 25 million on your top 4D and leaving yourself with 35-40 million for the 19 other players is not an optimal use of cap space.

I just can't imagine that one of Buff, Trouba or Myers isn't out the door. Especially with Morrisey, a hot shot top pairing LHD prospect ready for NHL duty.

Trading Buff at the TDL is the right move for them. Giving Trouba what he wants, going longterm instead of bridge with Scheifele, and going full youth movement is the smart move.

But can they take that PR hit? Can they really sell off both Buff and Ladd?

https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/60638

 

[wintersej]

I'd hope Trotman sticks with the Bruins, he's a solid 3rd pairing option in place of McQuaid who hurt often

I'd be very happy if Trotman took over the bottom 3 defense first guy role of Stuart/McQuaid. I do think he need to develop a little more nasty, though.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I don't think it's as far fetched that Dumba could come back to BOS in an Eriksson deal as many people suggest. Numbers show that Yeo (at the moment) just doesn't value Dumba's place in the lineup opposed to rest of defenseman with everyone healthy.

Look at Dumba's ice time last 10 games. Somewhat surprising to me given he's already got 120 NHL games under his belt:

1/25 - 14:15 (E)
1/23 - 13:11 (-1)
1/21 - 11:22 (E)
1/20 - 19:16 (E)
1/16 - 13:36 (E)
1/15 - 17:36 (-1)
1/12 - 16:13 (-1)
1/10 - 15:18 (-1)
1/9 - 13:13 (+2)
1/7 - 10:29 (-2)

Last 10 games:
G:0
A: 0
+/-: -4
TOI: 14:26 (Season AVG is 15:54

Looks to me like a great buy low candidate, considering MIN has other young D prospects (Folin - R; Reilly - L) in the pipeline to bring up if they deal him.

Maybe B's send Trotman back to offset, as R, plus he'd instantly be biggest Defender they have.

Christian Folin is 25 years old. If Dumba is ahead of him now, that's not going to change. Reilly is a year older than Dumba. Sure, he could surpass him and make Dumba expendable at some point, but I think it's really unlikely a team deals a young, NHL D with still loads of upside, for a winger on an expiring deal. It's just really bad asset management given that mobile D is a much desired commodity.

I watch a good number of Wild games (Dubnyk and Nino on my sim team) and while the Wild need scoring from their Fs, the need is at C, not wing. If they were going to move Dumba it would be with Granlund for a #1 C.

 

[BB88]

I know that there haven't been rumors about Trouba/Myers being available.

But...

if WPG resigns Buff and Trouba sticks to their internal cap of 60-65 million they have operated at over the past few years, they will have a worse team than this years bad team at the same cap hit.

Spending 25 million on your top 4D and leaving yourself with 35-40 million for the 19 other players is not an optimal use of cap space.

I just can't imagine that one of Buff, Trouba or Myers isn't out the door. Especially with Morrisey, a hot shot top pairing LHD prospect ready for NHL duty.

Trading Buff at the TDL is the right move for them. Giving Trouba what he wants, going longterm instead of bridge with Scheifele, and going full youth movement is the smart move.

But can they take that PR hit? Can they really sell off both Buff and Ladd?

https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/60638

If a team wants to have a quality top4 that's normal money as you know, and if they sell one of them they are way way worse team with a few mill cheaper roster.

And they are selling Ladd to keep that defense together and they have promising forward prospects who they can push/keep in the lineup with low cap hits, (and their forward group is already very cheap).

They don't need our prospects/picks, you have that defense you lock it up.

 

[wintersej]

If a team wants to have a quality top4 that's normal money as you know, and if they sell one of them they are way way worse team with a few mill cheaper roster.

Myers at 5.5M is strong value and if he'd be out do you think they'd sell him for picks(no), and they targeted him last year for Kane.
They don't need our prospects/picks, you have that defense you lock it up.

And they are selling Ladd to keep that defense together and they have promising forward prospects who they can push/keep in the lineup with low cap hits.

I can't think of one team that is spending 25 million on their top 4. Calgary is the closest, but they are not exactly the model teams should be following, are they?

If you replace Ladd in their lineup with Petan you have...

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Petan Little Stafford

Your last good forward prospect left is Connor, and he can naturally slide into Stafford spot in the lineup when Stafford leaves as a UFA. Even if Ehlers, Petan and Connor break right, is that a good top 6? Is it any better than this years top 6 that lead to a lottery finish?

Clearly the D hasn't been good enough to make up for the forward group. Do they expect swapping Ladd/Petan and Stafford/Connor to change that?

Or, they could move one of the D out, replace him with Morrisey, and add some veteran value to that top 6. I'm not saying the Bruins are the best fit for a deal with WPG. But, I don't think the status quo is something they should be doing at all.

 

[BB88]

I can't think of one team that is spending 25 million on their top 4. Calgary is the closest, but they are not exactly the model teams should be following, are they?

If you replace Ladd in their lineup with Petan you have...

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Petan Little Stafford

Your last good forward prospect left is Connor, and he can naturally slide into Stafford spot in the lineup when Stafford leaves as a UFA. Even if Ehlers, Petan and Connor break right, is that a good top 6? Is it any better than this years top 6 that lead to a lottery finish?

Clearly the D hasn't been good enough to make up for the forward group. Do they expect swapping Ladd/Petan and Stafford/Connor to change that?

Or, they could move one of the D out, replace him with Morrisey, and add some veteran value to that top 6. I'm not saying the Bruins are the best fit for a deal with WPG. But, I don't think the status quo is something they should be doing at all.

My question again is why would Winnipeg want our prospects/picks?
Just hoping for an honest answer without Bruins bias.
If they traded one of those D-players it would be for a top6 forward.

Next year is clearly going to be a re-tool year for them and they can afford it while battling against teams in Central.
Haven't we learned this year that if you have the defense you lock it up?
After next year plenty of cap will go away and they can set the forward group ready while already having the defense locked up.
Build from the blueline.
Not to not fix a problem while creating another hole(D-player for picks).

 

[wintersej]

My question again is why would Winnipeg want our prospects/picks?
Just hoping for an honest answer without Bruins bias.
If they traded one of those D-players it would be for a top6 forward.

Next year is clearly going to be a re-tool year for them and they can afford it while battling against teams in Central.
Haven't we learned this year that if you have the defense you lock it up?
After next year plenty of cap will go away and they can set the forward group ready while already having the defense locked up.
Build from the blueline.
Not to not fix a problem while creating another hole(D-player for picks).

Read the post: "I'm not saying the Bruins are the best fit for a deal with WPG."

 

[BB88]

Read the post: "I'm not saying the Bruins are the best fit for a deal with WPG."

So you agree on not setting hopes up on landing a D-player from Winnipeg.

then for you why would they break up their top4 when they can leave it alone and fix the forward group next year and focus only on that?

 

[wintersej]

So you agree on not setting hopes up on landing a D-player from Winnipeg, good.

then for you why would they break up their top4 when they can leave it alone and fix the forward group next year and focus only on that?

As the posts above state, I don't think they can afford the D and make the forward group better next year or any year. Its too much in those 4 guys, especially when the team has one of the better LHD prospects in the game ready to move to the NHL and they are playing Trouba on his offside.

If they were a good team with those 4 guys as their top 4 it would be different. But they are a bad team with those top 4 guys and they need multiple additions up front. This isn't a case of them just waiting for the prospects.

I also wouldn't rule out Sweeney being creative enough to get WPG what they need (early veteran top 6 forwards), but MIN seems like a better fit for Boston as things stand.

 

[BB88]

As the posts above state, I don't think they can afford the D and make the forward group better next year or any year. Its too much in those 4 guys, especially when the team has one of the better LHD prospects in the game ready to move to the NHL and they are playing Trouba on his offside.

If they were a good team with those 4 guys as their top 4 it would be different. But they are a bad team with those top 4 guys and they need multiple additions up front. This isn't a case of them just waiting for the prospects.

I also wouldn't rule out Sweeney being creative enough to get WPG what they need (early veteran top 6 forwards), but MIN seems like a better fit for Boston as things stand.

Ladd 4.4M, Clitsome 2M out this year,
Pavelec 3.9M, Stafford 4.35M, Perreault 3M gone after next year with defense locked up and millions in cap space already.
Who is this Sweeneys top6 veteran forward they'd want and he could give to them, Marchand?

Minnesota is better/possible if Sweeney is willing to give up Spooner+.

 

[wintersej]

But, with WPG, I could certainly see Sweeney trying to sell Pasta+Zboril if Trouba became available.

That would give WPG an Enstrom replacement in a couple years and give them another potential 1st line offensive talent. Its a kind of deal the team could sell to the hockey people and the fan base IF (IF!!) it became clear that Trouba was pulling a Hamilton.

 

[Ice Nine]

I know that there haven't been rumors about Trouba/Myers being available.

But...

if WPG resigns Buff and Trouba sticks to their internal cap of 60-65 million they have operated at over the past few years, they will have a worse team than this years bad team at the same cap hit.

Spending 25 million on your top 4D and leaving yourself with 35-40 million for the 19 other players is not an optimal use of cap space.

I just can't imagine that one of Buff, Trouba or Myers isn't out the door. Especially with Morrisey, a hot shot top pairing LHD prospect ready for NHL duty.

Trading Buff at the TDL is the right move for them. Giving Trouba what he wants, going longterm instead of bridge with Scheifele, and going full youth movement is the smart move.

But can they take that PR hit? Can they really sell off both Buff and Ladd?

https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/60638

I think if they re-sign Trouba for around 7.5m as rumored, then I think Myers will be moved. Signing Trouba to that money means you see him as a future #1D.

FWIW: While I like Trouba, that's an overpay. That's Pietrangelo money, who was the Blues' #1D when he signed for it. Trouba has been good, but hasn't consistently performed near that level yet for Winnipeg.

 

[BB88]

I think if they re-sign Trouba for around 7.5m as rumored, then I think Myers will be moved. Signing Trouba to that money means you see him as a future #1D.

FWIW: While I like Trouba, that's an overpay. That's Pietrangelo money, who was the Blues' #1D when he signed for it. Trouba has been good, but hasn't consistently performed near that level yet for Winnipeg.

The rumours have been a mill less than that.

Myers is at 5.5M, that's perfectly okay top3D money.

 

[Ice Nine]

Ladd 4.4M, Clitsome 2M out this year,
Pavelec 3.9M, Stafford 4.35M, Perreault 3M gone after next year with defense locked up and millions in cap space already.
Who is this Sweeneys top6 veteran forward they'd want and he could give to them, Marchand?

Minnesota is better/possible if Sweeney is willing to give up Spooner+.

I'm not excited enough about any of the Minnesota D in order to give up Spooner.

People on here are excited about Brodin. I'm really not. The guy produces offensively like an average bottom pairing D.

Brodin is NOT a future #1D, which is what we need.

6 points this season. Kevan Miller has more than twice that, FFS.

Trouba I can see. Or getting draft pics/prospects to package to move up for Chychrun, but Brodin? Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Ice Nine]

The rumours have been a mill less than that.

Myers is at 5.5M, that's perfectly okay top3D money.

Whoops, I meant 6.5m. That's the cap hit over the course of Pietrangelo's contract (the salary varies, from 5 to 5.5 to 6, etc, up to 7.5 by the end).

 

[Speed Shooter]

I don't think 3 weeks changing anything regarding the value of a 21 year old. Should we have sold off Subban after he **** the bed against St Louis? It might make him more available in the eyes of Fletcher, but not hurt his value much

Malcolm Subban as your example?

I'm sure you are not comparing how a player is evaluated after 120 NHL games played versus less than 2 full periods played at the same level.

Because that would be ridiculous.