I Hate The Draft Lottery

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justafan22

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One rule that should happen is that you can't win the lottery in back to back years. What the oilers have done is sheer luck, but with those rules in place they wouldn't have won the 2012 lottery. (2010 they were the same place as before)
 

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The NHL rewards "losing" less than any other sport. The Avs were almost historically bad last season and picked 4th overall.
I'm tired of the complaints about the draft lottery. I use to hear how it was "rigged" and then the NHl's last choice for a team to get superstar players kept winning it...
Exactly, not only the Avs last year but Canucks have dropped three places in both of the last two drafts. Unlike certain teams, they've never had a 1OA.
 

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Exactly, not only the Avs last year but Canucks have dropped three places in both of the last two drafts. Unlike certain teams, they've never had a 1OA.

oh my god get over it the canucks got the sedin twins which was like getting two 1OA in the same year. Unless you're telling me they'd rather have Stefan.
 

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Lol it's crazy how few people even read the thread
The thread is not about reverting to going by standings, I say in OP I think that's even worse. I'm proposing that every single team has the same odds. And that no team is EVER better off losing.
That's crazy! Why should the best teams in the league get a chance at the 1OA pick? Stupid idea is stupid.
 
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I hate that bad teams are rewarded with high draft picks, talented prospects who those poorly managed franchises often ruin. Athletes who spent their whole lives working their butt off to achieve their dreams to be mismanaged and have their development stunted by imcompentant management. Go to the sub-forums of teams who aren't even basement dwellers but bubble teams, and you'll see a bunch of fans actively cheering against their favorite team so they get a better shot at the loser prize. Teams who are 8th place whose fans want to lose even though they're in prime contention of a playoff spot. That is sad. Think of how much more thought would go into managing teams & how advanced scouting would become if teams success depended on it rather than knowing they'll get the clearcut superstar if they suck enough.

I don't know which system should replace it, whether it's that idea of points accumulated once statistically eliminated from contention. Which would still make the genuinely bad teams get better picks, as they'd be eliminated far earlier so have many more games to accumulate points. But it incentivize pushing all the way to the final game for every valuable point. Teams tanking mess the standings up for playoff teams, for instance if tanking team is playing 2WC and 2WC wins to surpass 1WC to get the easier playoff matchup. Those points are very valuable to some teams and others are icing a roster with the straight up intention of losing (obviously athletes play to win, but management selling off any pieces keeping them competitive & icing AHLers). Or better yet, have the draft lottery completely random. Parity sucks and hockey is already the sport that is most strongly influenced by luck rather than top end talent to begin with. A team should never be better off losing.
Playoff teams shouldn’t be exempt from the lottery, just a descending percentage chance of winning from worst to first
 

EdJovanovski

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There should be no lottery, if you're the worst team you get to pick first, not teams who only just missed the playoffs getting a very high pick. Why should a good team get a potential superstar, it's the bad teams that need them?
No team “needs” anything, and their wants are not a claim on someone else

That's just stupid.
Why don’t we just divide all the points evenly so everyone makes the playoffs so it’s fair?
 
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Cellee

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I wish teams could pay their own draft picks more and have a certain amount not count against the cap.

It should cost teams more to go free agent shopping.
 

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I don't mind the draft lottery, but I think the draft order should reverse every other round, to insure teams that make the playoffs get the chance to draft high end talent within the first two ruonds, also.
 
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Powerhouses are good if you're a fan of that team. Or you're not a fan of a powerhouse and you're not that competitive of a person. Or if you're a fan of a team that can spend it's way to a title. And this is from a fan who was a fan of the Bulls NBA dynasty. The only thing the cap has done is put the emphasis on better management. Which is a good thing. So, what you just said is inaccurate. Because if so, where's our time at the top? Arizona's? Buffalo's? And so on. And I'm not a younger fan.

Artificial parity = there is no such thing as real stakes in the league. Every team is the same. And cap era has produced just as regular a span of Cup winners in last several years. The only difference is it's not as interesting, entertaining or historic. Does anyone think top seed vs lower seed in playoffs matters at all today? No. Is Buffalo playing Tampa some big Dave vs Goliath matchup in the regular season now? No. Players have never been more skilled.... and the league has never been less special!
 
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Cellee

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Artificial parity = there is no such thing as real stakes in the league. Every team is the same. And cap era has produced just as regular a span of Cup winners in last several years. The only difference is it's not as interesting, entertaining or historic. Does anyone think top seed vs lower seed in playoffs matters at all today? No. Is Buffalo playing Tampa some big Dave vs Goliath matchup in the regular season now? No. Players have never been more skilled.... and the league has never been less special!
SPHL gets creative, adopts ‘pick your opponent’ playoff format
 

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The problem with this system is when you fall into successively weak draft years.

Like Nail Yakupov and RNH are not in the same stratosphere as McDavid and Matthews.

If the Oilers would have sucked 3 years before, they would have Patrick Kane, Steve Stamkos, John Tavares, instead of Hall, Hopkins, Yakupov.


Not all 1st overall draft picks as the same. This system youre describing requires that every 1st overall are guarunteed franchise players when that's clearly never been the case.

But they could also have had McDavid, Forsberg and Scheifele
 
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Newsworthy

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A player like McDavid doesn't come around often. He's worth two first overall picks at least. It's crazy how Edmonton squandered the many other draft gifts.
But imagine if they hadn't?
 

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I’d support full even odds in the draft if we could allow all teams in the playoffs in a series of single elimination games. Fair is fair, right? Regular season standings are meaningless at the draft and during the playoffs!
 

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Artificial parity = there is no such thing as real stakes in the league. Every team is the same. And cap era has produced just as regular a span of Cup winners in last several years. The only difference is it's not as interesting, entertaining or historic. Does anyone think top seed vs lower seed in playoffs matters at all today? No. Is Buffalo playing Tampa some big Dave vs Goliath matchup in the regular season now? No. Players have never been more skilled.... and the league has never been less special!
I guess it's just all about perspective then, because most of what you just said sounds pretty good to me.
I mean I don't see the appeal about one team beating brains out of another team on a regular basis, or like I said, unless you are a fan of the team doing the brain beating.
 
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Playoff teams shouldn’t be exempt from the lottery, just a descending percentage chance of winning from worst to first
Technically these 1st round picks were not originally their own and they were acquired via trade. However in 2010 and in 2011 the Bruins had the Leafs 1st round picks from the Phil Kessel trade. In 2010 it was the #2 pick and in 2011 it was the #9 pick. Plus in 2011 they had just won the Stanley Cup. So you would be ok if the most recent champions got at least a top 10 pick in the upcoming draft or even higher?
 

CuriousGeorge

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I hate that bad teams are rewarded with high draft picks, talented prospects who those poorly managed franchises often ruin. Athletes who spent their whole lives working their butt off to achieve their dreams to be mismanaged and have their development stunted by imcompentant management. Go to the sub-forums of teams who aren't even basement dwellers but bubble teams, and you'll see a bunch of fans actively cheering against their favorite team so they get a better shot at the loser prize. Teams who are 8th place whose fans want to lose even though they're in prime contention of a playoff spot. That is sad. Think of how much more thought would go into managing teams & how advanced scouting would become if teams success depended on it rather than knowing they'll get the clearcut superstar if they suck enough.

I don't know which system should replace it, whether it's that idea of points accumulated once statistically eliminated from contention. Which would still make the genuinely bad teams get better picks, as they'd be eliminated far earlier so have many more games to accumulate points. But it incentivize pushing all the way to the final game for every valuable point. Teams tanking mess the standings up for playoff teams, for instance if tanking team is playing 2WC and 2WC wins to surpass 1WC to get the easier playoff matchup. Those points are very valuable to some teams and others are icing a roster with the straight up intention of losing (obviously athletes play to win, but management selling off any pieces keeping them competitive & icing AHLers). Or better yet, have the draft lottery completely random. Parity sucks and hockey is already the sport that is most strongly influenced by luck rather than top end talent to begin with. A team should never be better off losing.
I disagree with you.
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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Why do they deserve it? It’s their own fault they’re bad

Not necessarily. You get a rash of injuries, a key player wants/needs to move to another city, a once flush owner suddenly has no capital, a star player has a career-altering injury....


I think a lot of folks are arguing the wrong thing here. Drafting is only part of the process. You need to develop kids picked after the first round to be successful, and get a few lucky picks. You need a good coach that has a system that works with his team. You need an owner who will spend money to help that team be competitive. You need a good schedule (not that travesty they gave Ottawa this year). And you need some luck.

If there is one thing that needs changing, it's the 'second contract' for young players. We have good controls with the ELCs, but a lot of these second contracts and UFA contracts are killing teams. Have a system where the 2nd contract maxes out at 3 years, and have a tiered dollar value based on certain performance thresholds.....that will allow teams more flexibility under the cap and allow teams who do have a good young roster to stay together longer. Also bring back the 30 year old threshold for reaching UFA status.
 
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