I Hate The Draft Lottery
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Care?! Who ever mentioned care? Someone in your head? I was talking about the ability to do that. I'm sure everyone cares.
Exactly. You didn't realize it, but you just proved my point. It doesn't work! What needs to happen is bad teams having fewer morons making decisions, and the way to get there is to stop promoting and celebrating the loser culture and welfare gifts. There's been suggestions in this thread that still give bad teams that advantage (high picks) but are way less toxic and incompetence-rewarding than the current one.
I don't? Again, bad teams would still have the advantage. It would just be structured in a more healthy manner that builds a better organisational culture.
StevenB
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Make it so the team that finishes dead last doesn’t get a chance at the first overall pick? Probably a stupid idea but idk what else there is
JetsHomer
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As a fan of a middling team that won the 2nd overall pick cause of the lottery it actually owns
Wallet Inspector
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So for all you geniuses who think bad teams "don't deserve" high draft picks, how else is a bottom feeder supposed to get out of their rut? Obtain a wish-granting genie?
Arbitrarily changing the rules to give everyone the same one odds would be incredibly unfair. Established teams and teams that have already stocked their cupboards via lottery luck would be at an advantage over the teams who have never been lucky enough to benefit from that same lottery.
Stack the odds even further against the unlucky franchises and you're potentially dooming them for decades to come. That's not how you create parity.
I don't like the current system at all, but it's significantly better than what you're suggesting here.
Sign free agents! Oh wait, game changers don't make it to free agency and the best guys who do won't sign with a bad team anyway.
Trade! Oh wait, playing on a bad team lowers a players trade value and other GMs won't trade with you unless you give up a lot because they know they have you over a barrel.
Draft well with other picks! Because history totally hasn't shown that drafting beyond the first round is more luck than science or anything.
People who oppose bad teams getting high draft picks basically just want bad teams to be permanent farm teams for their own team to plunder at will. There's a reason that mindset is always prominent among fans of contenders (and vanishes from a fanbase as soon as that team isn't good any more)
garnetpalmetto
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Now I've got no problems with the lottery (although I think a system where the worst team automatically gets the first overall pick would be preferable) but as a thought exercise what would be the reaction, both good or bad, to returning to a system like the 2005 lottery? To recap/refresh memories of that system:
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That would have a total of 49 balls in the lottery, so the 18 teams with 1 ball would each have a 2.04% chance of winning, the 8 teams with 2 balls would each have a 4.08% chance of winning, and the 5 teams with 3 balls would each have a 6.12% chance of winning.
- Each team started out with 3 balls and balls would be removed based on certain criteria - at minimum each team would have 1 ball in the lottery;
- 1 ball was taken away for each year the team had made the playoffs in any of the preceding 3 seasons;
- 1 ball was taken away for each time the team drafted first overall in each of the preceding 4 drafts;
| Team | # of Balls in Lottery |
| Anaheim | 1 |
| Arizona | 3 |
| Boston | 2 |
| Buffalo | 3 |
| Calgary | 1 |
| Carolina | 3 |
| Chicago | 1 |
| Colorado | 2 |
| Columbus | 2 |
| Dallas | 2 |
| Detroit | 1 |
| Edmonton | 1 |
| Florida | 1 |
| Los Angeles | 2 |
| Minnesota | 1 |
| Montreal | 1 |
| Nashville | 1 |
| New Jersey | 3 |
| New York Islanders | 1 |
| New York Rangers | 1 |
| Ottawa | 1 |
| Philadelphia | 2 |
| Pittsburgh | 1 |
| San Jose | 1 |
| St. Louis | 1 |
| Tampa Bay | 1 |
| Toronto | 1 |
| Vancouver | 2 |
| Vegas | 3 |
| Washington | 1 |
| Winnipeg | 2 |
That would have a total of 49 balls in the lottery, so the 18 teams with 1 ball would each have a 2.04% chance of winning, the 8 teams with 2 balls would each have a 4.08% chance of winning, and the 5 teams with 3 balls would each have a 6.12% chance of winning.
Give the worst team the first pick. If the worst team had the first pick in the previous 3 years, the 29th team and them swap. Keep swapping up as required. Done finished. Bad teams get good picks.
Ya'll love to harp on Edmonton. The lottery caused that nonsense, not prevent it.
Ya'll love to harp on Edmonton. The lottery caused that nonsense, not prevent it.
EdJovanovski
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Lol it's crazy how few people even read the thread
The thread is not about reverting to going by standings, I say in OP I think that's even worse. I'm proposing that every single team has the same odds. And that no team is EVER better off losing.
EdJovanovski
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I'm absolutely astonished at how many people here think parity is a good thing.
People actively cheering for their teams to lose is pathetic and very sad, the system is horrible and literally rewards failure and makes it so if you are relatively successful you can never become great. But if you run a franchise into the ground you're rewarded.
People actively cheering for their teams to lose is pathetic and very sad, the system is horrible and literally rewards failure and makes it so if you are relatively successful you can never become great. But if you run a franchise into the ground you're rewarded.
EdJovanovski
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I am a Rangers fan and I cheer for my team no matter what, if we were second last in the league and it was the last game of the season I'd cheer for my team to win. I don't want anyone to be rewarded for incompetence even if I were the beneficiary of it
therealkoho
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yeah I hate the draft lottery too
Buffalo in no way deserved that #2 position when they took Eichel, a team that craps the bed on purpose should be relegated to the 31st position, but that said it was worth seeing the look on Timmy's(help me get a job uncle Brian)Murrays face...priceless, although that said, I'd trade that experience to see his face when Pegula fired his useless arse....hmmm I wonder if Jack was sitting in the room with them
Buffalo in no way deserved that #2 position when they took Eichel, a team that craps the bed on purpose should be relegated to the 31st position, but that said it was worth seeing the look on Timmy's(help me get a job uncle Brian)Murrays face...priceless, although that said, I'd trade that experience to see his face when Pegula fired his useless arse....hmmm I wonder if Jack was sitting in the room with them
Mr Positive
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I like that the lottery makes all those threads like "faulin for Dauhlin" silly. Tanking still can exist since there are always great players towards the top of the draft, but it's just quite so targeted now
Having said that, I think the lottery odds are a bit crazy. It is a bit too likely for the worst team in the league to be kicked out of the top 3 altogether
Having said that, I think the lottery odds are a bit crazy. It is a bit too likely for the worst team in the league to be kicked out of the top 3 altogether
BlueBaron
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I think many of us are equally astonished you want to see the good teams get better while the worst ones get worse. With what you have proposed a team could win the Cup and then add McDavid in the same year. Nice for that team but terrible for the league.
You have to have something to give hope to the bad teams and their fans or they will tune out. You are not thinking about the health of the league at all. Your proposal would be disastrous for the league and for expansion (though maybe not this year)
There is a reason every single sport does the same thing with varying degrees. You might as well be complaining about rain or gravity, it is not going any where. 0 realism.
Gnashville
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So one draft pick ruins a franchise for a decade. How many good teams are there that have never had a 1st overall? Good scouting and player development can overcome poor draft position.
My team has on had one top 3 pick in it’s history (2 decades ago) and yet are a legit Stanley Cup contender every year. Why does Edmonton need 4 1st overalls plus another top 3 pick to build a winner when others don’t?
People cheering for their team to lose on hfboards has literally no impact on the players playing the games or the franchise as a whole.
What does have an impact on the franchise is when your team is constantly robbed from getting high picks. Fans won't stick around forever when there's no hope that your team will ever be good. If a franchise's only hope is to overpay for aging UFA's while the penguins, Hawks and bolts are scooping up the 1st overalls... You're in for a bad time. People are going to eventually check out.
The reason why people cheer for their team lose is because they know it will eventually lead to your team turning a corner and eventually being successful (hopefully).
What's actually absolutely astonishingly is the fact that you think you've figured out a better way to construct the draft rules. Literally no other professional league will ever do what your suggesting for blatantly obvious reasons.
johnjm22
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There should be no correlation between where you finish in the standings and where you draft.
Incentivizing failure is not good for the on ice product.
Each round of the draft should be determined by an equal weighted lottery.
Good management is what turns franchises into successes. The salary cap is what creates parity, not the draft.
Incentivizing failure is not good for the on ice product.
Each round of the draft should be determined by an equal weighted lottery.
Good management is what turns franchises into successes. The salary cap is what creates parity, not the draft.
Gnashville
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Buffalo fans cheered a Goal by Arizona in the year that McDavid was draft eligible. It’s not just on here. Some teams (Buffalo, Edmonton) actually promoted tanking to their fans.
GordieHowsUrBreath
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Machinehead
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Then why even have a draft? The whole purpose of the draft was to award bad team potentially better players.
Salary cap doesn’t automatically create parity - see NBA. Small market teams sometimes only spend to the floor. The cap can still be too high.
Sorry your logic is flawed as is the OP.
If we want true parity every season we have a mixed draft/expansion draft system allow teams to pick draft players or roster players but fans and GMs would hate this so we have quasi parity systems in place.
22Brad Park
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Oilers build new rink and they said here fill it with McDavid.Years ago Mario said we need Crosby or were relocating. .Thats no lottery
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