I don't think Mike Grier is going to have a job next year.

My one worry next year is seeing Celebrini be where Bedard was this year, depressed to come to the rank because the team was so awful and had no direction. I think it's mandatory that the Sharks improve next year. I'm not saying playoffs, but the last two years they won 19 and 20 games respectively. How about getting up to 27-30 games? I don't think that's too much to ask.
 
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Odd for him to have take. The job in 2022 if that was the case. Sharks had nothing going for them when he was hired. It was going to be a slow and painful rebuild. That is a serious misjudgement imo from both sides.

That was a terrible job to take on back then. Nothing but downside and a lot of losing from a HC pov. Not something that will enhance your resume moving forward.
Eh. I think anyone could have seen the position he was put in and understood he wasn't going to be defined by the on-ice results. I think the best thing he was able to do was not create this full-on dysfunctional storyline from such a historically bad season that you saw from, say, the Rangers this season or Buffalo in seasons past. It's not like he had a ton of other offers i'm sure so this was his chance to get his foot back in the door, and it seemed to work considering he found work afterwards.
 
I think he buys out or buries Vlasic, and with Couture's LTIRetirment there's no more dead weight. He's done a great job accumulating assets, and now it's time to turn them into a real hockey team.

I think the team needs to show growth and avoid a disastrous year and he'll be fine. Celebrini can't look like Bedard this year or his seat gets hot. His seat isn't hot at all at the moment imo and playoffs is an unrealistic demand.



They can probably afford to keep him next year but a buyout makes sense. Dude is toast, the cap hit the following year is minimal.
 
I think a fine balance is needed. You want the young high end talent but then you worry about that talent becoming demoralized with sub 60 point seasons. There is a ton of parity in the middle of the NHL. Not many games separate a team drafting 5th from a team who was in the wildcard race. If I’m a SJ fan I’m not expecting miracles but I’m hoping for a 65-70 point season and signs of an upswing. You don’t want the kids being a complete punching bag for too long
 
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Do people not fully understand how rebuilds work?

Yes. NYR top to bottom do not understand how rebuilds work. We couldnt even get a re-tool right.

Dolan and Drury basically just lysol wiped one end of the Fl*shlight and went ahead and used the other end.
 
The moves he was criticized for are largely redeemed.

You could be right but it depends on the owners. They might be impatient, but I don't know them. But still, if they did fire him for missing the playoffs it would be the wrong call
 
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He’s been doing a pretty damn good job helped by some lottery luck. I’d imagine he still has 2-3 more years

Karlsson and Meier trades alone should give him some decent time.
 
If the sharks don't make the playoffs, or at least compete for a position. Two dead last finishes are an accomplishment on the boards but in the real world, it's an embarrassment. I think they have the tools and it's going to be time to stand and deliver. Another bottom 5 finish isn't going to cut it. He's my pick for GM on the hottest seat going in to next season.
Expecting playoffs is over the top but they should not be a last place team they’ve shown virtually zero improvement from the last 2 seasons should start asking some hard questions if they finish with only 20 or so wins again
 
Expecting playoffs is over the top but they should not be a last place team they’ve shown virtually zero improvement from the last 2 seasons should start asking some hard questions if they finish with only 20 or so wins again
Why should they not be a last place team? They’re rebuilding. That’s the place they should be until they have the pieces to be a playoff team. Even with just a one win improvement on the previous season, they showed significant improvement. They went from a -150 goal differential and one real future piece to a -105 goal differential and arguably six real future pieces in their lineup. They’ll have a top pick, a winger, and a defenseman as a future piece getting close to being NHL regulars themselves.

People here just have an unrealistic expectation for what a Sharks rebuild should actually look like. They’re well on their way.
 
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I think he buys out or buries Vlasic, and with Couture's LTIRetirment there's no more dead weight. He's done a great job accumulating assets, and now it's time to turn them into a real hockey team.

I think the team needs to show growth and avoid a disastrous year and he'll be fine. Celebrini can't look like Bedard this year or his seat gets hot. His seat isn't hot at all at the moment imo and playoffs is an unrealistic demand.


Why would they bother buying Vlasic out when they can just ride out the final season of his deal and be totally free and clear by this time next year?
 
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Why would they bother buying Vlasic out when they can just ride out the final season of his deal and be totally free and clear by this time next year?

I would at least try and coax him into Cup hunting, I don't think many teams are going to be going after him once he becomes a FA after next season. Next year may very well be his last.
 
Do you have a personal issue with Grier? Each time you post in this thread your argument gets worse

I'm not going to have an issue with him unless he proves he cannot take this team to the next level, which so far he hasn't shown any signs that he can.
 
I'm not going to have an issue with him unless he proves he cannot take this team to the next level, which so far he hasn't shown any signs that he can.
Which opportunities has he had to do so where he has come up short, given where the Sharks are in the rebuild? He has added a 1C, 2C, 1G, and 2D - which are part of arguably the best prospect pool in the NHL - in 2 years. Other than Grier apparently having traded away the second coming of Patrick Roy for a 4th, do you really think your skepticism and negativity is justified?
 
I would at least try and coax him into Cup hunting, I don't think many teams are going to be going after him once he becomes a FA after next season. Next year may very well be his last.

Unless he's willing to just void his contract (which I'm not even sure he can do under the CBA) what would be the point? No team is going to trade for him at that salary even with significant retention that is possible with the Burns slot expiring this off-season. Buying him out and having to pay out over 2 years vs just hanging onto him for next season and eat the salary for only the one year seems like a dumb choice to make.

Except for doing a solid to a guy who has been a Sharks lifer, there is absolutely no benefit to the Sharks doing anything but keeping him on the roster even if he doesn't play much.
 
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He'll have a job.
The hardest job for any GM, proven time and time again, is coming out of a rebuild/scorched earth.... he hasn't even started that ascension yet.
So he hasn't started yet in year 4, but Yzerman expected to be in the playoffs with a competitive team in year 5 and even better in year 6.

Doesn't really make sense. Maybe both should get the same fair shake from people.
 
Unless he's willing to just void his contract (which I'm not even sure he can do under the CBA) what would be the point? No team is going to trade for him at that salary even with significant retention that is possible with the Burns slot expiring this off-season. Buying him out and having to pay out over 2 years vs just hanging onto him for next season and eat the salary for only the one year seems like a dumb choice to make.

Except for doing a solid to a guy who has been a Sharks lifer, there is absolutely no benefit to the Sharks doing anything but keeping him on the roster even if he doesn't play much.
I’m not an expert on the sharks situation but they need to get him out of the lineup, buying him out saves money, probably goes over better in the locker room than sending him to minors plus they don’t need cap space in 2026-27 so badly they desperately need to avoid it.
 

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