Proposal: Dach to Pittsburgh

[Dipsy Doodle]

To Montreal: 2025 2nd round pick (WAS)
To Pittsburgh: Dach

Montreal gets some additional cap space to add a legit 2nd line center plus a futures asset, and the Pens take a flier on a former high draft pick who's been a band-aid since being drafted.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Dach isn't worth a 2nd.

 

[Rob Sense]

This is like buying stocks at high price and sell when they go down. No. Trading Dach when injured makes no sense and i don't even think Pittsburgh does it especially since they have no 2nd round pick...they traded it to Montreal!

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

This is like buying stocks at high price and sell when they go down. No. Trading Dach when injured makes no sense and i don't even think Pittsburgh does it especially since they have no 2nd round pick...they traded it to Montreal!

Pittsburgh does have a 2nd round pick, its just not their 2nd round pick:

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[Baksfamous112]

Montreal already have like 25M in cap next year. Adding 3.4ish won’t make a difference and we don’t need picks.

No thank you

 

[General Fanager]

To Montreal: 2025 2nd round pick (WAS)
To Pittsburgh: Dach

Montreal gets some additional cap space to add a legit 2nd line center plus a futures asset, and the Pens take a flier on a former high draft pick who's been a band-aid since being drafted.

As a piece in a Crosby deal then Dach would be obviously available. For a pick, no thanks.

 

[Moose Head]

After Suzuki on the first line and Evans on the 3rd or 4th the Habs center picture is murky going into the summer. I don’t think they can deal Dach, for all his warts, until that’s sorted out.

 

[M Ace]

BUST!!!!

 

[molon labe]

As a piece in a Crosby deal then Dach would be obviously available. For a pick, no thanks.

Message board version of the E-Harmony date with two people needing to touch a bit more grass clutching one another a bit too tightly in public as if there's some serious competition lurking.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Don’t like it for either. Pittsburgh needs draft selection lotto tickets. Not RFAs looking to rebound. Montreal doesn’t really get anything with a late second and Dach that figures it out next year would help their timeline more.

 

[General Fanager]

Don’t like it for either. Pittsburgh needs draft selection lotto tickets. Not RFAs looking to rebound. Montreal doesn’t really get anything with a late second and Dach that figures it out next year would help their timeline more.

I think the OPs idea was to try to improve faster with low cost guys. I do agree though a full tear down is needed in Pitts.

 

[Benstheman]

Value is ok I guess but I don't see the point for the Habs to do this.

They paid quite a lot for Dach and they still have 3 years of control on him (or is it 2). I think they have time to assess if he can help the team as a middle 6 winger with size.

 

[Michoulicious]

Montreal doesn't need more 2nd round picks, especially a very late one.

Value is horrible.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Value is fine for Kirby, not sure why either do it though

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Value is fine for Kirby, not sure why either do it though

Dubas intends on trying to make the Pens competitive again while Crosby's playing.

Dach's a scratch ticket but if he were to put it all together his timeline would be quicker than a 2nd rounder's. Montreal is already making the playoffs but need a 2C at minimum to be truly competitive. This opens up some extra space and adds an asset that could either be flipped as part of a 2C package or give the Habs more draft stock this year if they were to deal one or both of their 1sts for a 2C.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Value is fair Dach isnt worth more at this point but we have enough picks we're better off keeping him and hope that he get stay healthy and get his form back hes still young and does have top 6 potentiel but i would play him on the wing

 

[Kshahdoo]

Montreal doesn't need more 2nd round picks, especially a very late one.

Value is horrible.

Agree, Dach isn't worth 2nd.

 

[SomeDude]

There will be other reclamation projects available for much cheaper who, most importantly, are not Kirby Dach.

For comparison sake:
Dach’s 1st 4 years: 210 GP, 97 points
Tomasino’s 1st 4 years: 209 games, 94 points.

Dach’s stats this year: 57 GP, 22 points
Tomasino’s stats after coming to the Pens: 50 GP, 23 points

Essentially identical stats (they both have a career average 37 points/82 games) except Dach was a 3rd overall and has a more concerning injury history.

Cost to get Tomasino: 4th round pick in a draft 3 years away.

Overpaying for players because they were drafted high is something stupid teams do. Which is to say, something Dubas could very well do.

 

[CanadienShark]

Nah, we don't need a 2nd round pick. I'd rather ride it out with Dach than take a shit return.

 

[CanadienShark]

This is like buying stocks at high price and sell when they go down. No. Trading Dach when injured makes no sense and i don't even think Pittsburgh does it especially since they have no 2nd round pick...they traded it to Montreal!

Ah, another regarded member of WallStreetBets eh?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Dubas intends on trying to make the Pens competitive again while Crosby's playing.

Dach's a scratch ticket but if he were to put it all together his timeline would be quicker than a 2nd rounder's. Montreal is already making the playoffs but need a 2C at minimum to be truly competitive. This opens up some extra space and adds an asset that could either be flipped as part of a 2C package or give the Habs more draft stock this year if they were to deal one or both of their 1sts for a 2C.

Again, Montreal will already have nearly 25M in cap space (including Price's LTIR) with no notable RFA/UFA to sign. Adding 3.5M in cap space won't matter if we can't find anything to spend it on.

A 2nd round pick is not an asset that will make or break a trade for a 2 C, especially when Montreal already have 2x 1st and 2x 2nd going into the draft to dangle for immediate help.

If you want a player right now, you can take Laine... for free. He's still young (27) and you'll save yourself a 2nd round pick.

 

[Fatass]

Seems a fair trade. Dach was picked 3OA because of his potential ceiling. He’s clearly not getting to that level. But there will be a GM out there who will pay a price and hope he does.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Seems a fair trade. Dach was picked 3OA because of his potential ceiling. He’s clearly not getting to that level. But there will be a GM out there who will pay a price and hope he does.

But Montreal has no reason to trade the guy, especially not when they finally get out of the basement and are competing again.

 

[Fatass]

But Montreal has no reason to trade the guy, especially not when they finally get out of the basement and are competing again.

Sure. Dach might not be on the market. Just commenting on if the OP suggested a fair value. IMO a second for Dach is fair.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Again, Montreal will already have nearly 25M in cap space (including Price's LTIR) with no notable RFA/UFA to sign. Adding 3.5M in cap space won't matter if we can't find anything to spend it on.

A 2nd round pick is not an asset that will make or break a trade for a 2 C, especially when Montreal already have 2x 1st and 2x 2nd going into the draft to dangle for immediate help.

If you want a player right now, you can take Laine... for free. He's still young (27) and you'll save yourself a 2nd round pick.

No thanks. If cap space isn't an issue, Habs might as well hang onto him and hope he rebounds.