Hypothetical - does McDavid win the Conn Smythe even if Oilers lose the cup? Assuming he has an above average finals

[GreatGonzo]

I was calling you out for saying Edmonton isn't getting secondary scoring. Just own it and move on.

They haven’t

But now that they did ONE game, suddenly you feel the need to attempt to call me out for being “wrong.”

You’re desperate, it’s ok.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

McDavid now has as many points in a Finals as Crosby ever had.

It only took him four games.

Crosby had one three point game in his twenty five SCF games and never achieved a four point game.

P.S. Also has more assists in a playoff run than Crosby ever had total points.

All Crosby has over Mcdavid at this point is “moments”

Golden goal

Hoisting Stanley cups etc.

Not enough to have him over mcdavid in my opinion but people will cling to this stuff.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

McDavid has 38 pts this postseason. The closest non-teammate is Barkov with 21 pts.

McDavid’s 17 pt lead over Barkov is the same as Barkov’s lead over the t-99th scorers this postseason which includes a bunch of guys who played 5 games like Matthews, Byfield, and Brock Nelson.

I’m not saying he’s going to win, but that’s pretty wild nonetheless.

 

[syz]

All Crosby has over Mcdavid at this point is “moments”

Golden goal

Hoisting Stanley cups etc.

Not enough to have him over mcdavid in my opinion but people will cling to this stuff.

Tangential but I'm sad that we haven't been able to see McDavid even have the opportunity to have any Olympic moments in his entire career thus far.

 

[Frank Drebin]

All Crosby has over Mcdavid at this point is “moments”

Golden goal

Hoisting Stanley cups etc.

Not enough to have him over mcdavid in my opinion but people will cling to this stuff.

Great way to put it. Better moments

 

[RebuildinVan]

McDavid has 38 pts this postseason. The closest non-teammate is Barkov with 21 pts.

McDavid’s 17 pt lead over Barkov is the same as Barkov’s lead over the t-99th scorers this postseason which includes a bunch of guys who played 5 games like Matthews, Byfield, and Brock Nelson.

I’m not saying he’s going to win, but that’s pretty wild nonetheless.

Having more assists than the next guy has points is wild as well

 

[wetcoast]

I'm voting late here and while I don't think that the Oilers will win the SC it's pretty hard to see the Conn Smythe going to any Florida player over him right?

As McDavid has been clearly the best player for the entire playoffs, which is what the CS is actually for.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

McDavid now has as many points in a Finals as Crosby ever had.

It only took him four games.

Crosby had one three point game in his twenty five SCF games and never achieved a four point game.

P.S. Also has more assists in a playoff run than Crosby ever had total points.

Ahh. Yes these are all facts. Ill face the music. He played brilliant last night. 38 points is crazy

 

[crab]

Mcdavid should win and he’s also clearly superior to Crosby ever was.

 

[orby]

If Bobrovsky returns to form and the Panthers wrap it up in short order, then I think he has it in the bag. If not, though - say it goes to 7 and McDavid keeps racking up points - it's up in the air. Any player breaking a Gretzky record is a big, big deal.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Tangential but I'm sad that we haven't been able to see McDavid even have the opportunity to have any Olympic moments in his entire career thus far.

McDavid on the big ice would be scary.

 

[SavoieSeason]

McDavid on the big ice would be scary.

Only two more years

 

[BraveCanadian]

Only two more years

Too bad by then he’ll likely be down a bit in speed and agility compared to say at age 24-25.

Will still be great to see though

 

[CanadienShark]

All Crosby has over Mcdavid at this point is “moments”

Golden goal

Hoisting Stanley cups etc.

Not enough to have him over mcdavid in my opinion but people will cling to this stuff.

@daver

I look forward to your response.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I'm voting late here and while I don't think that the Oilers will win the SC it's pretty hard to see the Conn Smythe going to any Florida player over him right?

As McDavid has been clearly the best player for the entire playoffs, which is what the CS is actually for.

Ugh....sorry but there's no way he SHOULD get it in a 5 or 6 game loss.

BoB or Barkov both have a case for the Cats. McDaid balled out last night. But it was way too late imo. Damage already done.

If it goes 7 and they lose, I can see a case.

Too bad by then he’ll likely be down a bit in speed and agility compared to say at age 24-25.

Will still be great to see though

Crazy that the best player in the game will have waited 11 seasons before playing in the olympics.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's hilarious how this board can go from "McDavid has had a terrible finals" to "McDavid has had a better finals than Crosby ever had" just because McDavid put up some points in a blowout game

MLB has a stat called "win probability added", but we can track that in the NHL on sites like MoneyPuck as well. McDavid had points on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th goals last night. In terms of win probability added, here's what those looked like:

4th: Increase by 6.5%
5th: Increase by 10.2%
6th: Increase by 0.02%
7th: Increase by 0%

And if you look at game 3, here were how McDavid's 2 points in the 3rd increased their odds at winning:

1st: Increase by 3.76%
2nd: Increase by 9.15%

For comparison, a "valuable" goal according to MoneyPuck seems to be adding a win probability of about 20%-25%. All of these points count, so you can't just say they didn't exist, but he's not putting up a lot of impactful points in this series. His overall stat line is good, but how much is he realistically helping the team if he's just putting up a bunch of points when the games are already over?

With Florida, people will now say that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe because he got pulled and that hurt his overall stats. But I personally don't think 1 bad game outweighs 3 terrific games, even if the stats suggest that's the case. If Bobrovsky has another strong game in game 5, I don't see how he doesn't win it. Yes, he had a shit game 4, but he has been absolutely massive for them winning the other games in the series.

 

[thadd]

The top 3 picks for Con Smythe are:
1 - Bob
2 - Bob
3 - Bob

There is no way on earth anyone else wins it. He's the reason Florida got up 3-0.

 

[Coffey]

The top 3 picks for Con Smythe are:
1 - Bob
2 - Bob
3 - Bob

There is no way on earth anyone else wins it. He's the reason Florida got up 3-0.

It’s true.

 

[BlueSeal]

I firmly believe that McDavid will win the Conn Smythe, no matter what. The numbers slay everyone, including Bob. Bob's impact in the series is near Glenn Hall-ish, but look at his overall playoff stats and you see where I'm going.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It is highly unlikely Oilers gonna make it next year.

There were 3 lucky things that helped Edmonton to reach the finals this year:
1) Vegas ended up in another division bracket and faced Dallas
2) Vancouver had no experience this year and had 4th goalie in the net
3) Dallas was dead tired after beating two previous SC winners in a row.

It does not mean Oilers is a bad team and does not deserve to play in the finals. It means exactly what I said - they were lucky.

Even Montreal were lucky recently and also reached the finals.

Luck is a factor in playoffs.

But that combination of luck is rarely happened with the same team year after year. So I seriously doubt that Oilers gonna beat for example Canucks next year with their full roster.

the Oilers have faced 3 straight division winners in the playoffs this year

last year Vegas faced 0 division winners

but you wanna talk about Oilers "luck" lol

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I firmly believe that McDavid will win the Conn Smythe, no matter what. The numbers slay everyone, including Bob. Bob's impact in the series is near Glenn Hall-ish, but look at his overall playoff stats and you see where I'm going.

Good thing you aren't a sports bettor lol

the Oilers have faced 3 straight division winners in the playoffs this year

last year Vegas faced 0 division winners

but you wanna talk about Oilers "luck" lol

Don't mind him. It was an awful take. The Oilers will be even better next year if we don't win

 

[MOGlLNY]

All Crosby has over Mcdavid at this point is “moments”

Golden goal

Hoisting Stanley cups etc.

Not enough to have him over mcdavid in my opinion but people will cling to this stuff.

So all he has is the major things that make you great?

I love McDavid, he’s definitely a better player than Sid ever has been. But come the f*** on.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It's hilarious how this board can go from "McDavid has had a terrible finals" to "McDavid has had a better finals than Crosby ever had" just because McDavid put up some points in a blowout game

MLB has a stat called "win probability added", but we can track that in the NHL on sites like MoneyPuck as well. McDavid had points on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th goals last night. In terms of win probability added, here's what those looked like:

4th: Increase by 6.5%
5th: Increase by 10.2%
6th: Increase by 0.02%
7th: Increase by 0%

And if you look at game 3, here were how McDavid's 2 points in the 3rd increased their odds at winning:

1st: Increase by 3.76%
2nd: Increase by 9.15%

For comparison, a "valuable" goal according to MoneyPuck seems to be adding a win probability of about 20%-25%. All of these points count, so you can't just say they didn't exist, but he's not putting up a lot of impactful points in this series. His overall stat line is good, but how much is he realistically helping the team if he's just putting up a bunch of points when the games are already over?

With Florida, people will now say that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve the Conn Smythe because he got pulled and that hurt his overall stats. But I personally don't think 1 bad game outweighs 3 terrific games, even if the stats suggest that's the case. If Bobrovsky has another strong game in game 5, I don't see how he doesn't win it. Yes, he had a shit game 4, but he has been absolutely massive for them winning the other games in the series.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

So all he has is the major things that make you great?

I love McDavid, he’s definitely a better player than Sid ever has been. But come the f*** on.

It’s not nothing and it adds to the greatness but the fact you agree that mcdavid is a better player despite those things proves my point. Mcdavid beats him everywhere else

 

[LTIR]

The top 3 picks for Con Smythe are:
1 - Bob
2 - Bob
3 - Bob

There is no way on earth anyone else wins it. He's the reason Florida got up 3-0.

Barkov has been very good this series as well.. there is more to just scoring points .
Unless Bobrovski steals another game I have Barkov ahead of Bob.

1.Barkov
2.Bob
3.McDavid