Post-Game Talk: Hymanator shoots down the Jets

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

My sincere condolences.

I lost both my mom and dad within 3 months of one another. (They'd been married almost 60 years.) It's been almost 10 years now and I still miss them but as time passes grief turns to fond memories.

Within the last six months I had to put my cat to sleep, lost my last remaining grandparent and now my mother. It's been tough but mom raised a tough family. We'll be okay and while I'm sad she's gone, I'm happy she's free of pain and suffering.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Berkshire sounds like a rich name.

Apparently in his nine minute long "apology" video - that I refused to watch, but a friend did - he started posting socioeconomic charts and such and I guess pointed out where his own parents fell on it and he got called out for being more privileged than 80% of the country.

 

[alanschu]

Congrats to Hyman on his 200th career goal, ans on a beauty!

Solid win for the Oilers.

Dang, Zach HYman has scored 25% of his career goals this season hahaha

 

[Section337]

Nice to see them win a game against another playoff team.

The Western conference playoffs is going to be coin flip hockey game over game and series over series.

Watch after I say that some team will go 12-0 through the west haha.

I think the other thing with match ups these days is that teams are so streaky, in both directions. Depends on what cycle both teams are on.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Consistency continues to plague this team. They can play really well for stretches but when they do breakdown it’s about as bad as it gets and it’s generally the top 6 who are guilty.

Prime example last night in the third after Jets had tied it, McDavid (and I believe Draisaitl was out for a shift with him) the puck is being carried into our zone by the Jets with numbers and all 3 of our forwards are in the neutral zone. Mcdavid is at least facing the right way so he can see the potential for an odd man rush developing but he is gliding back hoping that his dman will be able to break up the play and turn possession so the forwards who are cheating up ice can counter with an odd man rush of their own. But of course the Jets puck carrier simply has to put the puck in an area for his teammate who is streaking down main street completely unchecked (Mcdavids responsibility as the C) that Jets player holds onto the puck for a deke and I think it rolled off his stick but it gave Mcdavid just enough time to backtrack and disrupt, even though I think the Jets player just juked himself out and lost control. Louie praised Mcdavid for his great back track but the fact is Mcdavid should of had that guy covered at the blue line not just barely catching him at the net.

These are the type of chances our top 6 is absolutely brutal for and they are about as bad as it gets in terms of danger. Can’t do that in the playoffs.

Another example of soft coverage is on the Jets third goal. Draisaitl is loosely covering Ehlers, then he Flamingoes on blocking the wrister that Ehlers is just putting at the net and meanwhile Nurse doesn’t take Monahan who is allowed to easily tip a shot that should of been an easy block. Two failures by two of our best players and the puck is in our net for the game tying goal.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

I mean a lot of pro hockey players come from privileged backgrounds since hockey in general is an extremely expensive sport to play.

But I think we all know really why Andrew is focusing on Hyman specifically. I wonder what that could be?

Hmmm let’s check his tweets:

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Seriously, we should differentiate from Israel and the Jewish culture. One can be totally against Israel's policy but not neccessarily be anti-semetic. That being said , I'm not a fan of this guy targeting Hyman and his father.

 

[K1984]

Consistency continues to plague this team. They can play really well for stretches but when they do breakdown it’s about as bad as it gets and it’s generally the top 6 who are guilty.

Prime example last night in the third after Jets had tied it, McDavid (and I believe Draisaitl was out for a shift with him) the puck is being carried into our zone by the Jets with numbers and all 3 of our forwards are in the neutral zone. Mcdavid is at least facing the right way so he can see the potential for an odd man rush developing but he is gliding back hoping that his dman will be able to break up the play and turn possession so the forwards who are cheating up ice can counter with an odd man rush of their own. But of course the Jets puck carrier simply has to put the puck in an area for his teammate who is streaking down main street completely unchecked (Mcdavids responsibility as the C) that Jets player holds onto the puck for a deke and I think it rolled off his stick but it gave Mcdavid just enough time to backtrack and disrupt, even though I think the Jets player just juked himself out and lost control. Louie praised Mcdavid for his great back track but the fact is Mcdavid should of had that guy covered at the blue line not just barely catching him at the net.

These are the type of chances our top 6 is absolutely brutal for and they are about as bad as it gets in terms of danger. Can’t do that in the playoffs.

Another example of soft coverage is on the Jets third goal. Draisaitl is loosely covering Ehlers, then he Flamingoes on blocking the wrister that Ehlers is just putting at the net and meanwhile Nurse doesn’t take Monahan who is allowed to easily tip a shot that should of been an easy block. Two failures by two of our best players and the puck is in our net for the game tying goal.

The team's recognition of danger in the neutral zone is really, really poor top to bottom. Quite often you'll see an odd man rush start to develop, but nobody on our team recognizes that they actually are in a bad spot and have to hustle until it's too late.

 

[alanschu]

The NBA reviews controversial calls after games and will admit to errors.

High time we started doing this with the Best Refs in the World

What was the controversial call?

 

[TB12]

What was the controversial call?

The highstick that wasn't.

 

[brentashton]

What was the controversial call?

“Friendly fire” high stick, for added clarity.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Seriously, we should differentiate from Israel and the Jewish culture. One can be totally against Israel's policy but not neccessarily be anti-semetic. That being said , I'm not a fan of this guy targeting Hyman and his father.

Completely agree.

The only reason I’m drawing that conclusion is that Hyman made a post condemning the October 7 attacks (crucial point, it wasn’t pro-Israel) and Berkshire has been openly anti-Israel for a long time. Then Hyman succeeds and Berkshire makes this post yet the fact Hyman comes from a privileged background is not different or unique in the NHL.

It just seems like way too much of a coincidence for all of that to happen without it being related especially since he hasn’t made any other video about a rich star succeeding.

Plus to Hyman’s point made in his instagram post in October, antisemitism is on the rise. Scrolling through Elon Musk’s alt-right playground proves as such. There are actual accounts identifying themselves as national socialists in their profiles in 2024. Boggles the mind.

 

[guymez]

I didn’t think he was bad but people use “didn’t have a chance” way too loosely.

Goalies save pucks with screens all the time.

Yup...and they give up goals with screens all the time.
As a matter of fact I would be willing to bet that they give up a lot more screened goals than they save.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

And for the first half of the year it was all about how brilliant Vegas was in identifying Adin Hill as the next great thing. Hill may well turn it around but since February 12th he has a .881 sv%, and a 3.73 GAA in 13 games Over that time he has had a sv% over .900 in only 4 of the 13 games.

I think injury likely factors into it. He got hurt in November with what looks like a groin injury and is out again recently with what looks to be a recurring issue. One can imagine a groin injury for a goaltender would be a significant issue with the lateral and up and down movement required and recovery not a simple process as well.

Regardless, Vegas pro scouting nailed the pick-up for a marginal lottery ticket, and uncovered a starting goaltender. It's what pro scouting can and should do which has been an area of poor results in Edmonton. The bigger picture in Vegas is it showed there is a way to win with volatility in goaltending (without a single game played last year by their expensive #1 goaltender) through a disciplined team defending system and fortress big, good and deep defense corp that make it difficult for opposition in high danger scoring areas.

Some pretty significant contributory factors around Hill's stumbles with his likely recurring injury and several good two way players in front of him. Still pro scouting can make a big difference finding cheap acquisition players like Hill and Chandler Stephenson.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yup...and they give up goals with screens all the time.

And? I didn’t say they didn’t.

 

[guymez]

Completely agree.

The only reason I’m drawing that conclusion is that Hyman made a post condemning the October 7 attacks (crucial point, it wasn’t pro-Israel) and Berkshire has been openly anti-Israel for a long time. Then Hyman succeeds and Berkshire makes this post yet the fact Hyman comes from a privileged background is not different or unique in the NHL.

It just seems like way too much of a coincidence for all of that to happen without it being related especially since he hasn’t made any other video about a rich star succeeding.

Plus to Hyman’s point made in his instagram post in October, antisemitism is on the rise. Scrolling through Elon Musk’s alt-right playground proves as such. There are actual accounts identifying themselves as national socialists in their profiles in 2024. Boggles the mind.

Alt right...lol

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

Completely agree.

The only reason I’m drawing that conclusion is that Hyman made a post condemning the October 7 attacks (crucial point, it wasn’t pro-Israel) and Berkshire has been openly anti-Israel for a long time. Then Hyman succeeds and Berkshire makes this post yet the fact Hyman comes from a privileged background is not different or unique in the NHL.

It just seems like way too much of a coincidence for all of that to happen without it being related especially since he hasn’t made any other video about a rich star succeeding.

Plus to Hyman’s point made in his instagram post in October, antisemitism is on the rise. Scrolling through Elon Musk’s alt-right playground proves as such. There are actual accounts identifying themselves as national socialists in their profiles in 2024. Boggles the mind.

IMO it's more likely he just wanted his name in the headlines by having a hot take that goes against the grain. Canadian and NHL media were big time hyping this story (rightfully so!) so being contrarian would get his name out there.

And it worked because I didn't know who this clown was just a few days ago.

 

[guymez]

And? I didn’t say they didn’t.

I would be willing to bet that they give up a lot more screened goals than they save.
A lot more.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Alt right...lol

He is…

I would be willing to bet that they give up a lot more screened goals than they save.
A lot more.

Oh so that means no chance? And I disagree.

 

[guymez]

He is…


Oh so that means no chance? And I disagree.

Alt right is anything that disagrees with the lefist narrative (propaganda) propagated by the media.
Its ridiculous.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Don’t get the dislike for Skinner tonight. VD flubbed a shot block resulting in a total screen and possible deflection - puck went post and in. Nurse abandons his man who tips the puck in. Neither goal Skinner had a chance on.

Specifically what I'll say is that Skinner is down on point shots a lot and even when screened. So that he's hoping the puck will hit him and not seeing the shots. He didn't see either one. So that the concern is expressed not in isolation but due to Skinner basically hoping point shots hit him. A better goalie finds a way to see the shots more, look around the screen, get up for a better view.

But it wasnt' just those two goals. Him being caught behind the net with the puck again last night is something that has happened around 20X this season. Its amazing these intances have not been resulting in GA. They are very dangerous plays when that happens. Last night Barron could have easily tucked the puck home on a wrap around into an empty net except the puck fortunately bounced from back of net to between his skates. By then Oilers had pressured and Skinner was able to get back in cage.

Last night as well a clear difference on display in what a puck playing goalie provides his D in transition and breakout and what one inept at it provides. The Oilers D and forwards have to work so much harder for outs because Skinner is in net. They have to retrieve the puck at dead stop for fear that Skinner will do something with it if they don't.

Theres constant and ongoing flaws in Skinners game that don't really change. As we approach playoffs it gets expressed more as a general concern and not in isolation of one specific game. WE also got a bit lucky in this game as Jets had 3 posts and shooting wide on breakaways.

Sometimes I visualize how much Skinner would struggle if he were facing the Oilers snipers instead. Jets have really nobody that is consistently lighting lamp.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Andrew Berskshire, I guess he’s a journalist of some type, tweeted that the only reason Hyman is the kind of player he is, is the result of his very privileged socio economic upbringing, ignoring in totality his character, inner drive and passion, not to mention his strong work ethic on the ice and away from the rink. I guess he comes from the Spector School of Minimizing Accomplishments Journalism School.

Edit: here’s the post for those interested in listening.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In media, we have a responsibility to tell stories, but too often they’re just not honest. The narrative around Zach Hyman’s first 50-goal season for example, erases the real reason it was possible. It wasn’t just hard work. Follow me on tiktok and instagram, for more. <a href="https://t.co/LrAxmRiB03">pic.twitter.com/LrAxmRiB03</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Berkshire (@AndrewBerkshire) <a href="">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is complete and utter BS. You can have the richest parents in the world and they can buy all of your minor league coaches approvals for you child assuming that they take $ over integrity. But this is professional hockey. You can't just skate a dud out there and slip the coach a couple hundred dollars and expect Zach to get playing time and pay the opposing goalies to let him score. Yes he came from $, but he worked his ass off which IMO is very impressive since he didn't have to, he was raised to and chose to work his bag off. That's some damn good parenting there and a very hard working young man paved his own path in life and made a fortune of his own. Then you look at how beloved he is by his teammates both from Toronto and here, he seems like a genuinely great guy. At the end of the day his parents couldn't pay someone else to work endless hours on skating, in the weight room, deflecting pucks, etc. for Zach. Without Zach being there and putting in the work none of it would matter. Sounds like bitterness at best and while I am not one to pull the race card very often, this does make you wonder.

Going to say what I posted in the mains here as well: Berkshire has a clown take but throwing labels like Anti-Semetic on him for having a clown take is dangerous.

Regardless of how you feel about geopolitics. I wouldn't be labeled xenophobic for criticizing a Russian player or an American for their background so doing that to Berkshire is not fair either.

To me it's like those who throw the racism label to anyone who doesn't like Singh as an announcer. I'm not Islamophobic if I criticize Nazem Kadri. Not everything has to be racial or bigotry.

The guy wanted clicks and his name out there, he got that.

His ridiculous stance at minimum makes you wonder. I was one of those called racist for not liking Singh's calls (I still don't like his call and f*** anyone that thinks that because he sucks that I am racist). Does anyone think that his dad still pl\ays for his training since he became a NHLer? I highly doubt it. Instead of saying that Hyman breaks the stereotype of privileged trust fund babies that never work a day in their lives and showcasing how great of a job his family did in raising him, he goes with this BS?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Alt right is anything that disagrees with the lefist narrative (propaganda) propagated by the media.
Its ridiculous.

Sorry my fault I agree haha doi

 

[guymez]

Oh so that means no chance? And I disagree.

Screened goals are the most difficult goals to judge a goalie on.
Posters that have a fixed position on Skinner (ie...he isnt a starter) are going to use every opportunity to hang Skinner...justified or not.

Lets say that maybe he should have had that goal...that alone doesnt negate the work he did in the first 10 minutes of the game keeping his team in the game.
At least...thats what a balanced view on Skinners work looks like.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Alt right...lol

I mean tell me where I’m wrong.

This was literally the first tweet I saw this morning in my “For you” section.



Click on this guy’s profile. What 4 words would you use to describe him?

And before you say it, I always report/block these sorts of tweets and even stuff that’s milder I use the feature to “show less tweets like this”. This means the algorithm is promoting this stuff over and above user preference.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

IMO it's more likely he just wanted his name in the headlines by having a hot take that goes against the grain. Canadian and NHL media were big time hyping this story (rightfully so!) so being contrarian would get his name out there.

And it worked because I didn't know who this clown was just a few days ago.

Another big mouthed d-bag in the media, he should be proud.