Hyman Discussion Thread
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Fogelhund
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How about we see if these lines actually work, and make the team better, before we jump off cliffs. You are making statements, without evidence.
ottomaddox
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Well yeah. That's the nature of opinions I suppose.
We might hear that Campbell will get the majority of the starts this season, and we are just supposed to see if it works without putting our opinions out there?
How about we stop trying to tweak the lineup when we, you know actually have playoff success? Until then try to get better and don't keep doing stuff that hasn't worked and hope for different results.
Fogelhund
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There are multiple threads discussing lines, and these proposed Keefe lines already... that you feel so strongly about this, to start a new thread, suggests an opinion of a higher level. It's not worth that level of angst IMO.
Wafflewhipper
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ottomaddox
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Hyman is going to get his minutes reduced and I'm supposed to be happy about it.
At this point I am more comfortable with Hyman's ability as an NHLer than I am with Keefe's line construction. So should you!
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On a positive, he won't score 20 with Kerfoot as his C and hence should be easier to resign and fit under the cap.
ottomaddox
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There's certainly some skullduggery going on here. Ok maybe not, but there are alternate schemes going on: probably a trade (Kerfoot), and a contract issue like you say.
Wafflewhipper
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Haha i though that too. I don’t know about that line staying together either. It looks good when all three guys can get on the forcheck really quick. They might be tenacious to play against. Hyman might actually still go to the net as much. He’s just gotten better in the paint by himself. Hyman better get brushed up on his faceoff skills. Kerfoot will have to bear down and improve his faceoff winning percentage. Chasing the puck after losing a draw with Hyman and Mikheyev will help recovering pucks for him. Kerfoot has to be a bit better his entire game and if he is thats a good line that will score. I don’t have any issue with it because lines will be so fluid with the Taxi squad anyway.
zeke
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Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander should be good no matter who you put on their other wing. And the leafs have plenty of interesting options that can work up there. The leafs should have one of the best 1st and 2nd lines in the league no matter who the other wingers are.
But to create a truly effective 2-way 3rd line that the coach can trust against any matchup, Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Hyman is easily the best option and can be one of the best 3rd lines in the league.
The Leafs don't need Hyman's help on the top two lines, but they do need his help on the 3rd line.
But to create a truly effective 2-way 3rd line that the coach can trust against any matchup, Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Hyman is easily the best option and can be one of the best 3rd lines in the league.
The Leafs don't need Hyman's help on the top two lines, but they do need his help on the 3rd line.
ottomaddox
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I completely disagree. Who's going to win puck battles on the top 2 lines? Jimmy Vesey?
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Willy Nylander, Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares should be able to win puck battles. If they can’t then it doesn’t matter.
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I like having a third (and fourth) line that can change momentum, create some energy and will generate more scoring chances than they give up on a lot of nights.
zeke
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Matthews Tavares Nylander marner do not need Zach Hyman to be effective.
ottomaddox
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You're right. That's why stacking those lines worked so magically in the play-in series.
You can't possibly talk about this team and this group as though they have a ton of success winning.
Fogelhund
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Do you have a personal connection with Hyman? I don't care who gets what minutes... just that we win. If this doesn't work, it won't last past a couple of periods... Lines get changed and juggled all the time. Some preseason pencilled lineup is meaningless for a full season, and not worth getting worked up about.
That being said, I'm more confident, that Keefe has some idea on what works in the NHL, over us fans. I'm all for giving things a chance, and if they don't work, change them. Having made a statement at training camp, doesn't lock us in to these lines all year.
zeke
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Hyman has been a top-2 line winger for every one of those playoffs failures.
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Management saw what happened and they attempted to rectify the situation. In their view, one of the major flaws in the teams success was their inability to put themselves in a better playoff position.
There were times in the play-in series that they were dominating and looked unbeatable. When they play like they’re capable they are a beautiful team to watch, but the problem is their consistency. When you play a team like CBJ, there is no margin for error and it cost them.
According to the pressers yesterday both Dubas and Keefe have told the players that they have to be better in the regular season and added players that will help them be accountable.
All that to say.....the success of this team falls on the big 4, Rielly, and Freddy and not on whether Hyman digs out pucks on the top line.
Make no mistake, Hyman is a key player and the Leafs need his contribution, but they’re not winning anything without the skill at the top.
ottomaddox
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I just feel that there are not enough players of Hyman's ilk in the top 6 (and there's even less now). Some fans are happy to see Hyman's demotion because he doesn't bode well for fantasy/pools. Also for smooooooth blue line drop passes and ballet-like zone entries Hyman isn't your guy.
I do know that there is one certainty in life: you cannot deny that which is undeniable. He won't be on that rag-tag third line for very long.
TheGroceryStick
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I think Hyman will be relied on more actually.
The paper lines mean crap.
He will get a tonne of PK time, D zone starts and likely filtered into the top 2 lines on the regular.
The ultimate utility player will be used just as that.
I wouldn't put it past us to run an extra Dman instead a traditional 4th line
The paper lines mean crap.
He will get a tonne of PK time, D zone starts and likely filtered into the top 2 lines on the regular.
The ultimate utility player will be used just as that.
I wouldn't put it past us to run an extra Dman instead a traditional 4th line
Strange stance to take. The stacked line, Tavares Matthews and marner absolutely dominated the play. It was the nothing after them that got us in trouble.
If anything people are happy to see hyman on line 3 because our bottom 6 needs more identity and a line of Kerfoot Hyman and mikheyev can be very responsible and annoying and even chip in offense. Our stars will continue to carry their lines as they've done for years and that's not to minimize the role Hyman has played on those lines, but this team needs to improve in depth more than it needs him in the top 6.
