Hutson's next contract

forcing 8 years will provide little value to the habs and Hutson.

You're out of your depth if you can't see how wrong that sentence is, and is pointless to argue further with you.

8 years means more cap space for longer for the Habs, 8 years means more security for a small and frail player.

You'll say just about anything to argue your point, even if it's completely non-sensical.

It 'provides little value' so why did Hughes sign Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf to 8 year deals? The only one in our young core who didn't get 8 years was Guhle who was already injury prone. Without the injuries, pretty sure they would've signed Guhle to 8 years.
 
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You're out of your depth if you can't see how wrong that sentence is, and is pointless to argue further with you.

8 years means more cap space for longer for the Habs, 8 years means more security for a small and frail player.

You'll say just about anything to argue your point, even if it's completely non-sensical.

It 'provides little value' so why did Hughes sign Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf to 8 year deals? The only one in our young core who didn't get 8 years was Guhle who was already injury prone. Without the injuries, pretty sure they would've signed Guhle to 8 years.

I think i explained why.

We were not in a window when we signed Suzuki, Caul. We’re now in a window. Windows of opportunities dont last 50 years.

An 8 year contract you have to give Hutson more cap space. Going from 8 to 10. Which is good long term but bad for the mid term, which is where we need to be the strongest.
 
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I think i explained why.

We were not in a window when we signed Suzuki, Caul. We’re now in a window. Windows of opportunities dont last 50 years.

An 8 year contract you have to give Hutson more cap space. Going from 8 to 10. Which is good long term but bad for the mid term, which is where we need to be the strongest.

Your window argument doesn't hold. There will be massive cap turnover for the Habs in the next 27 months, to the tune of 51 mil. There's no point in going for a rebate by taking 6 years. We would effectively be shortening our window, because his cap savings will be bigger as the years go on. Like most of your takes, you haven't thought this through nearly enough.
 
I can see 5-6yrs at $8m. Then 8yrs at $10m after that.

But whatever it is I think they'll be able to reach it fairly easily. I think both parties will be on the same page.
 
I can see 5-6yrs at $8m. Then 8yrs at $10m after that.

But whatever it is I think they'll be able to reach it fairly easily. I think both parties will be on the same page.
By the time the 6 years are over, you're probably looking at 14+ mil as the cap will keep rising in the next 7 years.

The big problem with this 6 year hypothesis, is that it brings his contract renewal too close to the rest (Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield, Slaf). Not giving enough time for the cap to rise and permit us to re-sign everyone.

Hughes didn't burn a year on his ELC only to sign him to 6 years. Makes zero sense. If you burn a year, you sign him for max term.
 
Your window argument doesn't hold. There will be massive cap turnover for the Habs in the next 27 months, to the tune of 51 mil. There's no point in going for a rebate by taking 6 years. We would effectively be shortening our window, because his cap savings will be bigger as the years go on. Like most of your takes, you haven't thought this through nearly enough.

You’re not looking at it through both parties lenses.

6x 8 mil benefits both parties. As it helps with the cap space right now which will be crucial as you will have Demidov for 3 years at 900k..<—- this is your true window.

With cap space you can sign free agents ready to help now. Veterans with sc experience etc.

The 51 mil you speak of is going to get used quickly.

Not to mention Demidov’s first RFA contract and possibly 2-3 other guys who might make it. Hage, Beck, Engstrom just to name these 3.

Not sure why you so defensive about it but this is what makes sense right now
 
People need to stop with these references to autism. As if you need to be autistic to be a genius/prodigy. It's extremely lame and inaccurate. Autism is marked principally with social cognition defficiencies, and Lane is NOT that. Your post makes it sound as if you took your perception of autism out of The Predator movie.
Great point
 
People need to stop with these references to autism. As if you need to be autistic to be a genius/prodigy. It's extremely lame and inaccurate. Autism is marked principally with social cognition defficiencies, and Lane is NOT that. Your post makes it sound as if you took your perception of autism out of The Predator movie.

No ones calling him autistic in general. But go take an autism test. He definitely exhibits traits of it relative to hockey. (Everyone does including myself, doesnt mean you're autistic just that you have certain traits that aren't neurotypical. I dare anyone to take an autism test and score a zero, won't happen).

Lane is obviously an obsessive personality when it comes to hockey. That isn't a normal trait. I'm not complaining about it, I wish more hockey players were. It's what separates greatness from mediocrity. But again it's definitely not normal
 
You’re not looking at it through both parties lenses.

6x 8 mil benefits both parties. As it helps with the cap space right now which will be crucial as you will have Demidov for 3 years at 900k..<—- this is your true window.

With cap space you can sign free agents ready to help now. Veterans with sc experience etc.

The 51 mil you speak of is going to get used quickly.

Not to mention Demidov’s first RFA contract and possibly 2-3 other guys who might make it. Hage, Beck, Engstrom just to name these 3.

Not sure why you so defensive about it but this is what makes sense right now

Dude, stop it. Hughes didn't burn a year to secure only 6 years long term. It makes zero sense. With a young superstar, you want to extend as long as possible. That's the priority. You want him as cheap as possible, for as long as possible. Not cheaper for shorter. His 3rd contract will cost significantly more and having him for 8 years instead of 6 means you gain more cap space growth to re-sign him. This way, you also sparce him away from other renewals like Suzuki and Caufield who will take-up the cap growth of those previous years.

It's not just 51mil we're looking at either, it's the cap growth too. Put together, it's 76 mil. We don't need to sacrifice two years long term for a small cap rebate, because we'll have plenty of cap. It's short term thinking with no scope of how close it brings Hutson's 3rd contract to the other guys we'll need to re-sign close to 7 years from now.
 
No ones calling him autistic in general. But go take an autism test. He definitely exhibits traits of it relative to hockey. (Everyone does including myself, doesnt mean you're autistic just that you have certain traits that aren't neurotypical. I dare anyone to take an autism test and score a zero, won't happen).

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Your last sentence actually exemplifies why your use of autism is inaccurate. Those traits aren't autistic. They're simply traits we all may have. Those traits you put in relation to autism do not define autism. Being obsessive over something you are passionate about is NOT autism. Autistic people are singularly obsessive, but over the most mundane things. The association you make is based on secondary traits, which is why it's so inaccurate. Hutson doesn't exhibit any of the primary traits.

Lane is obviously an obsessive personality when it comes to hockey. That isn't a normal trait.

Yes, it is normal. Many people get obsessive about their passions and aren't autistic. The kind of obsessions autistic people display is far different than this. You are doing a massive reduction of meaning.

I'm not complaining about it, I wish more hockey players were. It's what separates greatness from mediocrity. But again it's definitely not normal

And it has nothing to do with autism.
 
No ones calling him autistic in general. But go take an autism test. He definitely exhibits traits of it relative to hockey. (Everyone does including myself, doesnt mean you're autistic just that you have certain traits that aren't neurotypical. I dare anyone to take an autism test and score a zero, won't happen).

Lane is obviously an obsessive personality when it comes to hockey. That isn't a normal trait. I'm not complaining about it, I wish more hockey players were. It's what separates greatness from mediocrity. But again it's definitely not normal
:facepalm:

Your last sentence actually exemplifies why your use of autism is inaccurate. Those traits aren't autistic. They're simply traits we all may have. Those traits you put in relation to autism do not define autism. Being obsessive over something you are passionate about is NOT autism. Autistic people are singularly obsessive, but over the most mundane things. The association you make is based on secondary traits, which is why it's so inaccurate. Hutson doesn't exhibit any of the primary traits.



Yes, it is normal. Many people get obsessive about their passions and aren't autistic. The kind of obsessions autistic people display is far different than this. You are doing a massive reduction of meaning.



And it has nothing to do with autism.
I’ve got some bad news for both of you
 
Dude, stop it. Hughes didn't burn a year to secure only 6 years long term. It makes zero sense. With a young superstar, you want to extend as long as possible. That's the priority. You want him as cheap as possible, for as long as possible. Not cheaper for shorter. His 3rd contract will cost significantly more and having him for 8 years instead of 6 means you gain more cap space growth to re-sign him. This way, you also sparce him away from other renewals like Suzuki and Caufield who will take-up the cap growth of those previous years.

It's not just 51mil we're looking at either, it's the cap growth too. Put together, it's 76 mil. We don't need to sacrifice two years long term for a small cap rebate, because we'll have plenty of cap. It's short term thinking with no scope of how close it brings Hutson's 3rd contract to the other guys we'll need to re-sign close to 7 years from now.

This is the thing with your analysis, you're only looking at it from the Habs perspective.

Look at Makar bud, he signed a 6 year contract that will make him UFA at the age of 28. Which btw they won the SC only 2 years into that 9 mil x 6 year contract.

Only difference Makar is a bit bigger, better shooter and is Right handed. So giving 8 mil to Hutson sounds very reasonable for the same term at this point.

The crazy thing in all of this is you're criticizing my take but it only took me 2 minutes to find out that what i have been telling you so far is exactly how business is conducted in the NHL for players like Hutson. I din't even have a clue about Makar's contract situation until now.

The Colorado organisation and Makar agree with me.

So here, hopefully this answers all your concerns in regards to Hutson's contractual negotiations going forward
 
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Your last sentence actually exemplifies why your use of autism is inaccurate. Those traits aren't autistic. They're simply traits we all may have. Those traits you put in relation to autism do not define autism. Being obsessive over something you are passionate about is NOT autism. Autistic people are singularly obsessive, but over the most mundane things. The association you make is based on secondary traits, which is why it's so inaccurate. Hutson doesn't exhibit any of the primary traits.



Yes, it is normal. Many people get obsessive about their passions and aren't autistic. The kind of obsessions autistic people display is far different than this. You are doing a massive reduction of meaning.



And it has nothing to do with autism.

Dude it's the internet. Memes exist. We aren't in uni where language matters. It's like calling someone the R word. No one is actually saying they're that. Not all words are literal when youre using a modern lexicon

How about when people say someone assaulted them. Do you know what assault actually is. Because it's different from battery. But no one cares because it's apart of the modern lexicon. Everybody views assault as a physical act which it isnt
 
This is the thing with your analysis, you're only looking at it from the Habs perspective.

Look at Makar bud, he signed a 6 year contract that will make him UFA at the age of 28. Which btw they won the SC only 2 years into that 9 mil x 6 year contract.

Only difference Makar is a bit bigger, better shooter and is Right handed. So giving 8 mil sounds very reasonable for the same term at this point.

The crazy thing in all of this is you're criticizing my take but it only took me 2 minutes to find out that what i have been telling you so far is exactly how business is conducted in the NHL for players like Hutson. I din't even have a clue about Makar's contract situation until now.

The Colorado organisation and Makar agree with me.

So here, hopefully this answers all your concerns in regards to Hutson's contractual negotiations going forward

I knew about Makar and Hughes. I disagreed with both moves.

Colorado didn't burn a year on Makar either and played his entire ELC.

Listen, you can yap all you want, Hutson isn't Makar and isn't Hughes. He's not in the same situation as they were. Hughes signed after playing 2 seasons, same as Makar. They were also both signed in a flat cap, where the expected cap growth was forestalled a couple years down the road.

Montreal is not a UFA attraction. Their bread and butter is to retain their own players. Hughes signed Caufield 8 years as soon as he could. Same with Suzuki, same with Slaf. That's how Hughes operates, which is imconsequential of other players from other teams. Many RFAs have signed 8 year deals, even though you would like to pretend that players operate with the 6 year mindset, which is far from reality.

You don't analyse this from the player's position, you do it with the narrow minded approach which is seen from you flip flopping between saying (sic) "there's no value for either" and then being shown the value for one side, you flip this to "oh you only see it from the team's pov".

Guess what, I see it from Hutson's pov too. He's small, he's frail and he could get forsberged any game. Habs already negociated with him for his ELC. They told him they'd burn a year on it so he could sign the big bucks earlier. There's a just return expected here, and signing max term is part of that.
 
I knew about Makar and Hughes. I disagreed with both moves.

Colorado didn't burn a year on Makar either and played his entire ELC.

Listen, you can yap all you want, Hutson isn't Makar and isn't Hughes. He's not in the same situation as they were. Hughes signed after playing 2 seasons, same as Makar. They were also both signed in a flat cap, where the expected cap growth was forestalled a couple years down the road.

Montreal is not a UFA attraction. Their bread and butter is to retain their own players. Hughes signed Caufield 8 years as soon as he could. Same with Suzuki, same with Slaf. That's how Hughes operates, which is imconsequential of other players from other teams. Many RFAs have signed 8 year deals, even though you would like to pretend that players operate with the 6 year mindset, which is far from reality.

You don't analyse this from the player's position, you do it with the narrow minded approach which is seen from you flip flopping between saying (sic) "there's no value for either" and then being shown the value for one side, you flip this to "oh you only see it from the team's pov".

Guess what, I see it from Hutson's pov too. He's small, he's frail and he could get forsberged any game. Habs already negociated with him for his ELC. They told him they'd burn a year on it so he could sign the big bucks earlier. There's a just return expected here, and signing max term is part of that.

Hutson will finish top 4 in pts for all Defenders.

Suzuki was nowhere near from being a top performer in the NHL, same thing for Cole.

The habs have the upper hand for the following 6 years of his elc where they can get a discount but at 28 there wont be any discounts. At 28 he'll want to break the bank at max term. A 30 years old UFA does not have the same appeal as a 28 years old. And at 36 he'll have a shot at another final contract if keeps playing then.
 
All you guys assuming what each side wants and manufacturing evidence to support your delusions and ignorance is utterly hilarious.
 
Comparisons to Suzuki. Suzuki signed after his 2nd year in the NHL when he got 41 points in 56 games, on pace for 60 points. A very good performance, 8 years at about $8M.

This is Hutsons rookie season and he is up there in record performances for a rookie, and should be in the top 3 for the Calder at the very least. Cap going up. People are actually taking the position to trade him if he wants $10-$12M per ? Trade a dynamic, impactful Dman who actually is fun as heck to watch ?

You want a nice striploin with peppercream sauce and a double baked potatoe ? If you bring $15 dont bother, go to McDonalds.
 
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When you feel the AAV is too high on a 8 years deal. On a cap era, I find its perfect to reduce the lenght of the contract and then sign him for 5/6 years instead. There is a difference to give a second contract to a guy at 26 years old instead 29 years old. Many club are doing it to theirs superstars.
 

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