Salary Cap: Hutson's next contract

[vokiel]

No way that happens, you don't bridge a talent like this. 8x9. He will be the highest paid Hab soon.

Now now a pair of 3,133,780,08$ is all a young man needs. If 3 is too much for him to handle, we can spare 2. I've good research data which suggests this would be the best solution here

 

[Rapala]

Would be nice to see how he endures in a playoff series or two.

If we remain relevant past the trade deadline those tough games in March and April get ratcheted up pretty good against contenders. Hutson seems to be one of those freaks of nature who just have an abundance of energy and a quick recovery window. He's getting 8yrs and probably Slaf Caufield Suzuki money. Kent is still selling the we are building something special here with your help scenario.

 

[themilosh]

Pretty obvious he will get the same deal as Slaf. Basically in line with our internal structure: 7.5 x 8. And he will sign. Why? Bc he will flourish and wants to win.

So many free agents try to squeeze every last drop from teams. Insanity. Think about it - these guys are so rich they dont know what to do with the abundance of money. Meaningless beyond a certain point. Ask yourself, if you made $60 effing MILLION, but would have a better shot at Legacy for $50 MILLION, who on earth wouldn't take that?


Idgaf about personal stats --- if said player wants to creat a legacy they gotta win a cup.. quite frankly, McDavid and Drai can keep their extra couple of mill.. buy a yacht, but they aren't gonna win a cup with $14M cap hits. The whole notion is laughable at best.

If they dont want to sign below our captain, then trade them..

 

[vokiel]

Pretty obvious he will get the same deal as Slaf. Basically in line with our internal structure: 7.5 x 8. And he will sign. Why? Bc he will flourish and wants to win.

So many free agents try to squeeze every last drop from teams. Insanity. Think about it - these guys are so rich they dont know what to do with the abundance of money. Meaningless beyond a certain point. Ask yourself, if you made $60 effing MILLION, but would have a better shot at Legacy for $50 MILLION, who on earth wouldn't take that?


Idgaf about personal stats --- if said player wants to creat a legacy they gotta win a cup.. quite frankly, McDavid and Drai can keep their extra couple of mill.. buy a yacht, but they aren't gonna win a cup with $14M cap hits. The whole notion is laughable at best.

If they dont want to sign below our captain, then trade them..

There's a difference: Slaf's deal starts when he is 21, ends when he is 29. An 8 year deal for Lane would end when he's 31, worst positioning to end his career. Lane would be more like Guhle, trying to limit his deal to end at 29 is 6 years or 28 at 5 years.

And... there's always the good ole bridge, ends around 25-26, then +8 = resigning at around 33-34.

I may joke about it, but it makes some sense in this case

 

[Guess]

I agree with this but at the same time he's been in the nhl for 3 years already. I think the big mistake was to sign him right away after his draft. Shouldn't have started in the NHL

Slaf was playing quite well last season, it's not like it's his sophomore season. I think the slump is due to nagging back injury / maturity issues (got that big paycheck, maybe less motivation or stress that he has to make good on that contract, I know he is very hard on himself). In that sense I'm not worried as he'll get mentally stronger.

Pretty obvious he will get the same deal as Slaf. Basically in line with our internal structure: 7.5 x 8. And he will sign. Why? Bc he will flourish and wants to win.

So many free agents try to squeeze every last drop from teams. Insanity. Think about it - these guys are so rich they dont know what to do with the abundance of money. Meaningless beyond a certain point. Ask yourself, if you made $60 effing MILLION, but would have a better shot at Legacy for $50 MILLION, who on earth wouldn't take that?


Idgaf about personal stats --- if said player wants to creat a legacy they gotta win a cup.. quite frankly, McDavid and Drai can keep their extra couple of mill.. buy a yacht, but they aren't gonna win a cup with $14M cap hits. The whole notion is laughable at best.

If they dont want to sign below our captain, then trade them..

I don't know about this. You have to take into account inflation and salary cap increase. If he signs for the same percent Suzuki signed for at the time but given the new cap increase, would you still say that he's being greedy?

I think that this "max number business" is dumb, instead you should look at it as percentage of salary cap.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Slaf was playing quite well last season, it's not like it's his sophomore season. I think the slump is due to nagging back injury / maturity issues (got that big paycheck, maybe less motivation or stress that he has to make good on that contract, I know he is very hard on himself). In that sense I'm not worried as he'll get mentally stronger.


I don't know about this. You have to take into account inflation and salary cap increase. If he signs for the same percent Suzuki signed for at the time but given the new cap increase, would you still say that he's being greedy?

I think that this "max number business" is dumb, instead you should look at it as percentage of salary cap.

Slaf last season looked like Galchenyuk when they had no pressure hockey. I don't mean they are the same but right now Slaf can't handle to play with high expectations. He's so nervous on the ice and for a big guy like him he plays smaller than Hutson. I find it really infuriating that he plays so soft. Young or not he's been in the league for 3 years now

 

[rahad]

If Hutson keeps up the pace, sign him this summer for a Slafkovsky-ish contract.

He is already out producing Slaf on his first NHL season. Why on earth would his agent and him sign the same deal?He will ask for more money (with the cap going up).

 

[Miller Time]

Slaf last season looked like Galchenyuk when they had no pressure hockey. I don't mean they are the same but right now Slaf can't handle to play with high expectations. He's so nervous on the ice and for a big guy like him he plays smaller than Hutson. I find it really infuriating that he plays so soft. Young or not he's been in the league for 3 years now

Or, he's 20 and still figuring things out...

 

[waitin425]

I want the 8 year deal at Slaf range. But we don't know what his agent is thinking. If I am him, I want to hit UFA asap. Not to walk per se but to retain some leverage. He will be 21 in February and 22 at the end of his current ELC.

If I was him and his agent, I would go for a 5 year deal at 8 million dollars. Then at 27 go for the 8 year deal at that time when the Cap is high and he can pull in something incredibly stupid.

Maybe he values security though and will take the 8 year after his ELC, bringing him to 30 and then another 8 year deal to end his career. At 30 though, teams might not spend as much on an 8 year deal. It is almost a garuantee at 27.

 

[tnq]

Anybody bemember Subban ?

 

[BergevinBurner]

I'm expecting a long term deal in the 8.5-9 million range. He's putting up one of the most impressive rookie seasons of any defenseman ever. The guy's gonna be a stud and quarterbacking our powerplay for the next decade ideally. I'd have no problem having him making more than Suzuki.

 

[Favster]

Gotta get it done ASAP and hoping around Suzuki's number. That would mean that he's bought into the internal cap structure of course becase I know he can get more, it's still a massive amount of money and would be UFA under 30.

 

[DAChampion]

He is already out producing Slaf on his first NHL season. Why on earth would his agent and him sign the same deal?He will ask for more money (with the cap going up).

I didn't see anybody write that Hutson should sign for the same deal Slaf got.

 

[salbutera]

Hutson’s agent (Sean Coffey) is Hughes former partner and very close friend (Hughes mentored him) at Quartexx Management (owned by Saputo family), where Vinny’s brother also works.

All in the family….just sayin

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Or, he's 20 and still figuring things out...

 

[Knuckles30]

6 years 10 mill

This is probably closest. Anyone who thinks he's coming in under Suzuki's number hasn't been paying attention. The cap is projected to go up A LOT in the next few years, and all agents are already driving the narrative to % of cap vs $ number. It will be interesting to see how the conservative nature of hockey players goes against agents pushing for shorter deals to take advantage of the rising cap.

Hughes: 9.6% of cap (year deal starts)
Faber: 9.7%
Heiskanen: 10.4%
Makar: 11.0%
Fox: 11.5%

Projected cap for 26-27 is $97M. 9.6% would be $9.34M. Given the rising cap, I think the longer you go, the higher the number gets, so my guess is 5 X $9.5.

 

[Chose]

This is probably closest. Anyone who thinks he's coming in under Suzuki's number hasn't been paying attention. The cap is projected to go up A LOT in the next few years, and all agents are already driving the narrative to % of cap vs $ number. It will be interesting to see how the conservative nature of hockey players goes against agents pushing for shorter deals to take advantage of the rising cap.

Hughes: 9.6% of cap (year deal starts)
Faber: 9.7%
Heiskanen: 10.4%
Makar: 11.0%
Fox: 11.5%

Projected cap for 26-27 is $97M. 9.6% would be $9.34M. Given the rising cap, I think the longer you go, the higher the number gets, so my guess is 5 X $9.5.

You are right, Internal cap is not Suziki's 7,895M$/per, it is actually 9.66% of the cap. By that logic, and seing the cap can be 97M$ by then, 9,66% would be 9,37M$/per.
I can totally see them setting at that number, respecting the "internal cap" and not disrespecting anybody.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The tricky part to a 8x $9M+ contract is doing it after just one season. Today, we feel he is worth it but it's a little on the premature side. My strategy with this is contract around Suzuki ($8M or $8.5M) or I take my chances at let him play out the ELC. For as much as I like what he is doing on the ice, I do prefer to see two seasons vs just one.

 

[Chose]

The tricky part to a 8x $9M+ contract is doing it after just one season. Today, we feel he is worth it but it's a little on the premature side. My strategy with this is contract around Suzuki ($8M or $8.5M) or I take my chances at let him play out the ELC. For as much as I like what he is doing on the ice, I do prefer to see two seasons vs just one.

There are so many risks to that strategy as well, if he takes off on another level, you are f*****, and he might sour when you play hardball on such a jewel...

The cap catching up during the next few years, it is a good idea to sign this now before people get used to the new reality and have more comparables to bring up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There are so many risks to that strategy as well, if he takes off on another level, you are f*****, and he might sour when you play hardball on such a jewel...

I'd take my chances that he is not on Makar's level. And what would this cost you if he does? An extra $1M per season ($8.5M vs $9.5M)? Would this really be that bad? I remember fans talking $9M with Slaf last summer. What's going to happen here is Hutson either extends (8x $8M ish) this summer or we let him play out the last ELC. Offering him $9M+ this summer is too gullible. We also burned one ELC contract year last year for 2 NHL games. This is a little leverage Gorton/Hughes can use.

Q Hughes started his deal in 21/22 ($81.5M cap). If you prorate the %, that's $8.6M for a $92M cap. And yes, Hughes signed for 6 years vs 8. But remember, Hughes was a top 10 pick and for as much as Hutson is producing well, Hughes has higher value.

8x $8M is where it will land and it's fair. Sophomore season to come and injuries could be a factor (you never know). I also think Demidov adding to our mix will create some roster shuffling. PP might be spread into two solid ones vs one good one and one meh one.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I want the 8 year deal at Slaf range. But we don't know what his agent is thinking. If I am him, I want to hit UFA asap. Not to walk per se but to retain some leverage. He will be 21 in February and 22 at the end of his current ELC.

If I was him and his agent, I would go for a 5 year deal at 8 million dollars. Then at 27 go for the 8 year deal at that time when the Cap is high and he can pull in something incredibly stupid.

Maybe he values security though and will take the 8 year after his ELC, bringing him to 30 and then another 8 year deal to end his career. At 30 though, teams might not spend as much on an 8 year deal. It is almost a garuantee at 27.

His agent is from Hughes's agency, Quartexx. Everyone involved will gently push Hutson torwards a 8 year deal and he'll be paid handsomely for it.

Not every player summons their inner souless-Friedman.


That' said... thank f***ing gawd we burned a year on his ELC. Imagine how much he'd get with two full seasons played?

 

[Chose]

I'd take my chances that he is not on Makar's level. And what would this cost you if he does? An extra $1M per season ($8.5M vs $9.5M)? Would this really be that bad? I remember fans talking $9M with Slaf last summer. What's going to happen here is Hutson either extends (8x $8M ish) this summer or we let him play out the last ELC. Offering him $9M+ this summer is too gullible.

Q Hughes started his deal in 21/22 ($81.5M cap). If you prorate the %, that's $8.6M for a $92M cap. And yes, Hughes signed for 6 years vs 8. But remember, Hughes was a top 10 pick and for as much as Hutson is producing well, Hughes has higher value.

8x $8M is where it will land and it's fair. Sophomore season to come and injuries could be a factor (you never know). I also think Demidov adding to our mix will create some roster shuffling. PP might be spread into two solid ones vs one good one and one meh one.

But the contract is set to start in 2026, so projected cap is 97M$, so Hugues % is already more that than 9M$/per.
If he proves more, it can be up to 10M/per... Just like that, it is 2M$ more per year on the cap than your 8M$.

 

[Leto]

His agent is from Hughes's agency, Quartexx. Everyone involved will gently push Hutson torwards a 8 year deal and he'll be paid handsomely for it.

Not every player summons their inner souless-Friedman.


That' said... thank f***ing gawd we burned a year on his ELC. Imagine how much he'd get with two full seasons played?

Year 1 : Calder
Year 2 : Norris
Year 3: ???

 

[Habs Halifax]

But the contract is set to start in 2026, so projected cap is 97M$, so Hugues % is already more that than 9M$/per.
If he proves more, it can be up to 10M/per... Just like that, it is 2M$ more per year on the cap than your 8M$.

I know what you are saying but we are siding on the bloated side of the contract possibility. This happened with Slaf last year as well... people talking $9M type stuff. Hutson is still perceived to be not as good as Hughes. He's having one hell of a rookie season yes. I'm going to say the AAV falls in the $8M-$9M range if it's 8 years.

Cap for next year is scheduled to be $92.4M. That's if the players don't want to bump it up. Because Bettman said they should consider it. What is the cap after that? Hard to say. Probably $95M-$97M but those are a guess.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Year 1 : Calder
Year 2 : Norris
Year 3: ???

3rd year Hart
4th year.... Smythe?