Hutson, Slaf or Rainmaker?

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Lots to unload here. One, were talking one year. There is reasons to be dissatisfied with Alexis growth after three years, his first year was not bad.

Great take here - it hasn't even been one year.

It's been 39 games.

If you think there are legitimate reasons to be dissatisfied with Lafrenière's growth after 3 years....surely you must think it's ridiculous to be dissatisfied with Slafkovsky's growth after 39 games.

Right?

Secondly, the all-star part is straight dishonesty on your part, stop that. Nobody expected all-star levels from Slaf. Or even any first overall ever save for like one every ten years.

Fair - I exaggerated for effect, but in my defense, I was trying to keep up with you.

Its funny that you bring up Hischier though, and Im not sure you understand how bad you just dug your hole here. 2017 and 2022 are pretty much directly correlated. A first overall phenom that fell, a mid top ten euro that got picked first overall, a defender that is the best player in the draft, another one that is probably the 2nd best and a small forward that is worth more than the first overall pick. See, its not that Nicos a bad player, hes a very good player, and of course probably a better player than Slaf will ever be. (And to be completely honest in the argument, so is Makar compared to anyone else in the 2022 draft.) The problem is that at minimum three players picked directly after him are flat out better players. Theres no Devils fans that would pick Nico ahead of the other three players, and you know what? Trading down to pick Suzuki couldve yielded much better results.

With that said, even in Nicos case, he was still worth more than anyone else after his d+1 season.

Again, this is just a message board man...it's not real life, there's literally NOTHING I could write here that will equate to what you're suggesting here lol

But to address this part, you wrote a lot of stuff which is irrelevant to the point you originally made, which was to suggest that it was bad that a 1st overall pick (picked just over 1 year ago) was being compared a player picked 5th overall 2 months ago and a 67th overall player picked 2 years ago.

I went on to say that Devils fans were calling Nico Hishcer Brendan Morrison not too long ago, Rangers fans have ripped into Alexis Lafrenière and called him a bust, RNH was considered a pretty "meh" 1st overall up until last year.

Where would Hischier go in this draft based on his pre-draft hype?

Would it be fair to say he’d be comfortably behind Byfield and even several others?

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Hischier V Rasmussen

who will have a better career, Nico Hischier or Michael Rasmussen. @TwoPiece

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Hischier vs Kotkaniemi

Who do you take going forward? Hischier 48162036 Kotkaniemi 5491726 Both playing in the NHL in their D+1 as an 18 year old - both great young players but who will be better?

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Hischier vs Dermott

Currently listening to two friends of a friend arguing about this... hopefully I can show them this to get them to relax. I have no bias either way, being a fan of neither team. So who do you take (ignoring your individual team needs)?

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see threads above...people say things lol and then things change and what those people said doesn't matter anymore.

Just like this thread topic won't matter in the future. It's just another one of thousands of threads here to waste time while we wait for the season to start.

It ain't that deep.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Hutson has 1st overall pick talent, so there's wrong with comparing him with a 1st overall pick when it comes to potential

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lol, it is that deep. Can you name me one time in history a 1st overall in his d+1 was compared to a 5th overall in his D year and a late 2nd rounder in his d+1 and had a 50/50 toss up in value?

Im guessing it hasnt happened often.

Hutson had an exceptional season. I don’t think it’s so much a slag of Slaf as it is an acknowledgment of how good a pick we got in the second round.

It’d be like complaining about drafting Svoboda fifth overall and being angry about him being compared to Richer and Roy who came in the same draft.

 

[Habs10Habs]

I went with Chadkovsky lol thanks @OldCraig71 that made me laugh.

We picked him for his long term potential, not for what he provides right now.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lots to unload here. One, were talking one year. There is reasons to be dissatisfied with Alexis growth after three years, his first year was not bad.

Secondly, the all-star part is straight dishonesty on your part, stop that. Nobody expected all-star levels from Slaf. Or even any first overall ever save for like one every ten years.

Its funny that you bring up Hischier though, and Im not sure you understand how bad you just dug your hole here. 2017 and 2022 are pretty much directly correlated. A first overall phenom that fell, a mid top ten euro that got picked first overall, a defender that is the best player in the draft, another one that is probably the 2nd best and a small forward that is worth more than the first overall pick. See, its not that Nicos a bad player, hes a very good player, and of course probably a better player than Slaf will ever be. (And to be completely honest in the argument, so is Makar compared to anyone else in the 2022 draft.) The problem is that at minimum three players picked directly after him are flat out better players. Theres no Devils fans that would pick Nico ahead of the other three players, and you know what? Trading down to pick Suzuki couldve yielded much better results.

With that said, even in Nicos case, he was still worth more than anyone else after his d+1 season.

But that “problem” is greatly neutralized if you get a top five player in the 2nd round.

We had a great draft in 22 overall. Very possible we got the wrong guy at number one (and I agree we’re not properly developing him) but it was unfortunately a weird draft given the Covid situation.

Slaf is a project. They knew it when they drafted him. He might well not pan out but I hate the way people have already written him off.

 

[rahad]

But I see Jiricek and Nemec as potential norris D and Cooley as a PPG forward... sigh.

Inb4 mUUUH sHaNE WRIGht

Maybe not winning the first overall would have been good for us(kinda like Colorado in 2019). Slaf could end up as a unicorn type of player, Powerforward with 70-80pts season. Slaf would be very useful in the playoff. Still, it has a weak year to finish bottom (kinda like 2012). Shame, we did not win the lottery this year. No one will be talking about Slaf or Hutson with Bedard on the team.

 

[Deebs]

I'll go with the Reinman because I believe he'll be responsible for more wins for the team as a whole....offensively, defensively and special teams.

 

[Redux91]

Never thought I'd see a Habs player with a worse nick name than Jiri Sekac's "cakes"...but this "Rainmaker" might beat that out lol

To answer the question.

I'll take the player with the highest upside.

Slafkovsky.

Cakes is WAAY worse than Rainmaker lol (but dont get me wrong I'm puzzled by it also)
But the Kotkaniemi nicknames had some doozy's man damn

 

[Ozmodiar]

Reinbacher

DR will get more minutes than Hutson, playing in all situations. He’ll be on the top pairing. Hutson might be as well, at times, but guhle is more likely.

Slaf - at best, our 4th best forward (NS, CC, Dach).

 

[JoelWarlord]

IMO Reinbacher as I think he just has the safest overall combined floor and ceiling projection of the three. I think he's going to have the longest prime of the three as well. Slafkovsky will have the highest peak of the three IMO but will probably fall off quicker in his 30s.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hutson had an exceptional season. I don’t think it’s so much a slag of Slaf as it is an acknowledgment of how good a pick we got in the second round.

It’d be like complaining about drafting Svoboda fifth overall and being angry about him being compared to Richer and Roy who came in the same draft.

Exceptional season or not, it doesnt make Slaf a good pick. The Svoboda example doesnt work because hes still one of the okay player picked around his spot. It wouldve been like picking Svoboda 2nd in that draft.

But that “problem” is greatly neutralized if you get a top five player in the 2nd round.

We had a great draft in 22 overall. Very possible we got the wrong guy at number one (and I agree we’re not properly developing him) but it was unfortunately a weird draft given the Covid situation.

Slaf is a project. They knew it when they drafted him. He might well not pan out but I hate the way people have already written him off.

No its not. Fanning on a 1OA is inexcusable.

Im not writing him off as a player, or even a good one, Im writing him off as the best player in the draft, which is what you want at 1OA.

 

[bopeep]

Exceptional season or not, it doesnt make Slaf a good pick. The Svoboda example doesnt work because hes still one of the okay player picked around his spot. It wouldve been like picking Svoboda 2nd in that draft.

No its not. Fanning on a 1OA is inexcusable.

Im not writing him off as a player, or even a good one, Im writing him off as the best player in the draft, which is what you want at 1OA.

I don't think anybody would disagree that last season's performance was underwhelming, including Slaf himself... but he's 19 years old. Who knows what he's going to look like in 5 years when he begins to enter his prime.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Exceptional season or not, it doesnt make Slaf a good pick. The Svoboda example doesnt work because hes still one of the okay player picked around his spot. It wouldve been like picking Svoboda 2nd in that draft.

I didn’t say it did.

I’m saying that you need to look at the big picture.

Slaf may not pan out - we don’t know. But even if he doesn’t the draft is looking pretty awesome overall. 1984 was one of our best drafts ever and it wasn’t because of our first round pick.

No it’s not. Fanning on a 1OA is inexcusable.

Im not writing him off as a player, or even a good one, Im writing him off as the best player in the draft, which is what you want at 1OA.

It’s inexcusable if you pass on Connor Bedard. But in a draft like this, unfortunately there’s a really good chance you’re not going to take the BPA. It’s just the luck of the draw.

But if you walk away with a bunch of players who in a redraft would go in the first round and maybe two who would be top ten? That’s great.

Patience my friend

 

[Mrb1p]

I don't think anybody would disagree that last season's performance was underwhelming, including Slaf himself... but he's 19 years old. Who knows what he's going to look like in 5 years when he begins to enter his prime.

I know he probably wont be the best player in the draft and thats my problem with it.

 

[V13]

Assuming he becomes a 40pts+ top 2 two way D who can log big minutes and used in all kind of situation then Reinbacher. Those types of guys are stabilizing monsters for a D corps

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Hutson is a special talent with all-star potential. Dont see it with the player drafted 61 picks before him. Nor Reinbacher.

 

[Habricot]

What is the question? Who do we prefer, who as the most upside? Who will have the biggest impact in his prime? Who as the most chance of reaching is max potential?

Assuming who has the biggest impact if they reach there max potential I would say pretty equal between all of them. They all bring something very different. My feeling though is that Reinbacher may end up the most important of the 3!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I know he probably wont be the best player in the draft and thats my problem with it.

What if he’s the fourth best and Hutson’s the fifth best? Is it a success?

 

[Redux91]

What if he’s the fourth best and Hutson’s the fifth best? Is it a success?

Lol you can't ask him that sadly,
He will always revert back to "idc lalala we should of picked the kid that didn't exist."

Whenever that handful of people finally realize that paradox, the better the Slaf threads will be for it lol (Who am I kidding tho)

 

[JohnLennon]

Floor (highest to lowest):
1. Reinbacher
2. Slafkovsky
3. Hutson

Ceiling (highest to lowest):
1. Hutson
2. Slafkovsky
3. Reinbacher

Slafkovsky is the best combination of safe floor and high ceiling, for me. I'll take him.

 

[Habricot]

I know he probably wont be the best player in the draft and thats my problem with it.

Who the hell knows, certainly not me, not you either, some Crystal ball maybe. Its all projections and being the best means nothing when you compare different players at different positions bringing different things to there team. Lets wait and see and perhaps we can talk about who is more impactful in there respective team in a few years. Before that its just bullshit.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lol you can't ask him that sadly,
He will always revert back to "idc lalala we should of picked the kid that didn't exist."

Whenever that handful of people finally realize that paradox, the better the Slaf threads will be for it lol (Who am I kidding tho)

Just a shame that we pick first in a draft that was so unpredictable. Shane Wright was the guy... until he wasn't. I don't know man. It just sucks.

Still hopeful about Slaf but he isn't the blue chip superstar we were hoping for. He's a project and that's not really what you want in a first overall. But what were the alternatives? I'd have taken Wright because of the track record but everything I keep hearing about him is that he peaked early and has competitive problems.

Slaf still has huge potential though. If he can put it together? Man, he could be great. Big skilled winger? We haven't had that in a long time.

 

[Habricot]

Slaf to me will have Pacioretty++ impact on the habs which will be great.

 

[calder candidate]

Slaf
Hutson (might have the most upside)

Reinbacher

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The Rainmaker nickname is making its way!