OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLVI: Really, It's All About Beer and Bojangles

[hblueridgegal]

Can confirm the desire to discharge. My wife had to have emergency surgery back on October 2nd for an intestinal blockage. A cecal volvulus. They removed the cecum and did a repair. They were trying to get her out of the hospital with a wound vac and oral dilaudid two days later, when they repair perforated and flooded her abdomen with contents of her digestive track. Back to the OR for a second emergency surgery that resulted in an ileostomy. She then spend the next month in the hospital bouncing in and out of the SICU on ventilators and lost about 20% of her weight. She was finally discharged the night before Halloween, but in a condition so weak and in need of care that I had to take the whole month of November off from work to be part of her at home health team.

So sorry that you both have endured all of that pain, recovery and scary moments . I hope she's doing better now.

The ileostomy journey is no fun either. My dad and sister endured it and were able to get theirs reversed eventually. Another family member is going through it right now and cannot even get the supplies needed on time.

 

[Svechhammer]

We have had 2 kids, my wife had a c-section for both.

The first kid, my wife was in terrible pain afterwards for about 24 hours until a nurse tells her that because she kept answering 9 on the "on a scale of 1-10 how much pain are you in" they were only giving her over the counter ibuprofen to ease the pain instead of actual painkillers, which they would only give to her after she answered 8 or less. Absolute horseshit policy that should have never seen the light of day.

Second kid, they rushed to discharge her from the hospital before she had fully gone to the bathroom despite my MIL, who was a surgical OBGYN, protesting that it wasn't safe. Anyway, fast forward 24 hours and she's admitted again for full blown post-partum preeclampsia, which they should have caught because she was retaining water like you wouldn't believe and her blood pressure never really fell. I think when they finally got her normalized she lost 5 pounds the first time she had to urinate, but hey, at least they were able to give that original birthing room to someone else!

But yeah, our healthcare system is just wonderful.

 

[MinJaBen]

So sorry that you both have endured all of that pain, recovery and scary moments . I hope she's doing better now.

The ileostomy journey is no fun either. My dad and sister endured it and were able to get theirs reversed eventually. Another family member is going through it right now and cannot even get the supplies needed on time.

She is doing much better. The wound vac and drains are gone, but she still has a G-J tube for tube feeds and venting. We are uncertain if she will get a reversal. They want her to be reversed, and we do as well, but with her GVHD and other related complications from the bone marrow transplant, it is uncertain if it will be able to be done. Even if it can be done, probably looking at the end of next year or 2026 before that happens.

Yes, the supplies are an issue for us already. They send you enough just barely on time assume everything is perfect and no leaks.....



....which of course is never the case.

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Sounds like that hotline needs to be leaked and flooded with false alarms.

Also, that Wisconsin shooting is wild. 15-year-old girl shoots up the school, but leaves a note before she did. Note reveals that she had fallen deep into the Neo-Nazi pipeline, became unhappy with herself and wanted to commit suicide. But decided a school shooting would have "more of an impact"

 

[Borsig]

What law would have stopped what happened in wisconsin?

I'll wait while you struggle wasting entropy on it.

 

[Derailed75]

What law would have stopped what happened in wisconsin?

I'll wait while you struggle wasting entropy on it.

Maybe one of those gun free zone signs, that usually works.

 

[Svechhammer]

Thoughts and prayers apparently are good enough... Unless it's a rich CEO involved and then we have to change laws and policies to make sure it never happens again

 

[Blueline Bomber]

What law would have stopped what happened in wisconsin?

I'll wait while you struggle wasting entropy on it.

Well, how did a 15-year-old get access to a firearm?

 

[Negan4Coach]

Oh FFS

The drone thing will continue until a large one punches through the nosecone of a fully loaded 737 and brings it down with a frown, and then we'll see how magically and quickly the bureaucrats can secure the airspace.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I never had a problem eating at fine restaurants all over the world when traveling for business. It was indeed a pleasure. I agree with you that one thing I do miss about retiring was I used to get to travel to some incredible places and have made friends with co-workers or customers in those places. I still stay in touch with many of them, but it's not the same.

I prefer to seek out good places that aren't over the top expensive when it's on my own dime. It's not hard to do. Granted, places like NYC is a different animal.

I went out with friends to Chestnut in downtown Asheville tonight. It was packed on a Tues night which was so great to see. Many parts of Biltmore Village and the River Arts areas are still so damaged and closed or nonexistent now. The unemployment rate is around 9% right now due to Helene. The big fear is that so many folks are leaving the area that when things are more back to normal, there won't be enough workers.

 

[LakeLivin]

I went out with friends to Chestnut in downtown Asheville tonight. It was packed on a Tues night which was so great to see. Many parts of Biltmore Village and the River Arts areas are still so damaged and closed or nonexistent now. The unemployment rate is around 9% right now due to Helene. The big fear is that so many folks are leaving the area that when things are more back to normal, there won't be enough workers.

My sister put up a friend from that area for a couple weeks after Helene because her apartment was unlivable. The friend didn't go back to Ashville, she relocated to Florida. (I know, Florida; it was because she's got family down there)

 

[hblueridgegal]

My sister put up a friend from that area for a couple weeks after Helene because her apartment was unlivable. The friend didn't go back to Ashville, she relocated to Florida. (I know, Florida; it was because she's got family down there)

NC is often their home away from home! It's hard to find housing there in the best of times.

Right now debris removal is underway everywhere and affecting traffic flows, so if you are traveling this way for the holidays, you may want to pad your travel time a little.

My aunt and uncle still have no internet or TV service in Spruce Pine. Now that winter is here and they're indoors more, they're calling the satellite companies to see if they can help out.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

What law would have stopped what happened in wisconsin?

I'll wait while you struggle wasting entropy on it.

The issue in your country isn't laws. It's the culture. There are countries with far more guns that have fewer school shootings per capita and countries with next to guns with fewer school shootings per capita.

 

[Derailed75]

The issue in your country isn't laws. It's the culture. There are countries with far more guns that have fewer school shootings per capita and countries with next to guns with fewer school shootings per capita.

I believe that's what he was getting at. One side of our political system thinks creating more anit-gun laws, and making it harder to aquire guns is the solution even though murder itself is illegal and carries most of the highest form of punishment our laws allow. They fail to see that fatherless children raised in households with little to no moral compass and the lack of mental health treatment is the issue they need to focus on.

With all that being said the US isn't the only place this type of thing happens. It happens is countries with strict gun laws, it even happens with other weapons. It's just the scale we have them at here is insane.

Believe it or not one of the most poignant thing said about school shootings was when Marilyn Manson was asked about the kids at Columbine listening to his music and they asked what he would of said to them and he said something like "I wouldn't have said anything, I would have listened to them."

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I believe that's what he was getting at. One side of our political system thinks creating more anit-gun laws, and making it harder to aquire guns is the solution even though murder itself is illegal and carries most of the highest form of punishment our laws allow. They fail to see that fatherless children raised in households with little to no moral compass and the lack of mental health treatment is the issue they need to focus on.

I'm fairly certain the most recent mass shootings (or, at least, the ones that make the news cycle. There's too many to apparently cover them all, which is horrifying) have come from children with both parents. In fact, that's where they're getting the guns from 90% of the time. Parents that either don't secure their own guns well enough or ignore signs that their child might be troubled and buy them a gun of their own.

And it's ironic that you claim one side is pushing anti-gun laws as a solution while ignoring mental health treatment as another, when it's the OTHER side of that political system that is gung-ho about preventing that mental health treatment from happening:

205 Republicans Vote Against Bill to Expand School Mental Health Services

Republicans have spent months scapegoating mental health issues as a catch-all for problems like mass shootings.

truthout.org

With all that being said the US isn't the only place this type of thing happens. It happens is countries with strict gun laws, it even happens with other weapons. It's just the scale we have them at here is insane.

Believe it or not one of the most poignant thing said about school shootings was when Marilyn Manson was asked about the kids at Columbine listening to his music and they asked what he would of said to them and he said something like "I wouldn't have said anything, I would have listened to them."

For me, it all comes down to Sandy Hook. 20 children between the ages of 6-7 were killed and absolutely nothing changed. America made it very clear at that point that it believes guns are more important than innocent human lives.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

NVM...not getting dragged in.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I went out with friends to Chestnut in downtown Asheville tonight. It was packed on a Tues night which was so great to see. Many parts of Biltmore Village and the River Arts areas are still so damaged and closed or nonexistent now. The unemployment rate is around 9% right now due to Helene. The big fear is that so many folks are leaving the area that when things are more back to normal, there won't be enough workers.

I didn't give much thought about the employment aspect due to people leaving and never coming back, but that makes sense.

I've heard from a few artist friends around the triangle that they have artist friends that have moved on to other locations and won't likely return to the river arts district (not that they could any time soon). The effects are going to be felt for a long time.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

NVM...not getting dragged in.

 

[Svechhammer]

NVM...not getting dragged in.

Do it, give in to the desires

 

[Derailed75]

For me, it all comes down to Sandy Hook. 20 children between the ages of 6-7 were killed and absolutely nothing changed. America made it very clear at that point that it believes guns are more important than innocent human lives.

That's because it's overly apparent that more/stiffer guns laws are not the solution. The stricter the gun laws the more this kind of stuff happens. Cities with the toughest gun laws in the country have the worst crime rates in the country.


I'm 100% with you, we have a problem and I am open to solutions. We have tried restrictions on guns they don't work, all they do is make is harder for law abiding citizens to own guns.

Let's try something else.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's because it's overly apparent that more/stiffer guns laws are not the solution. The stricter the gun laws the more this kind of stuff happens. Cities with the toughest gun laws in the country have the worst crime rates in the country.

Do you have a data source for that? I won't get into the gun debate as it's pointless, but when I did a google search right now, the data I was able to find doesn't support your assertion.

1) STATES: here are the states with the most gun deaths / 100,000 people. None of them are known to have "stiff" gun laws, in fact, quite the opposite.

U.S. gun violence rate by state 2024 | Statista

Gun violence in 2024 was highest in Mississippi, followed by Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, and Montana.

www.statista.com

2) CITIES: This is from 2021, but here are the cities with the highest gun violence. NYC is way down on the list. Chicago and Oakland are in the middle but most of the cities at the top are not known for strict gun laws (although I admit I don't know each major cities gun laws). Memphis consistently comes up as #1 on many lists and they don't have strict gun laws.

Gun Deaths in Big Cities - Urban Health Collaborative

drexel.edu

Even if you look at total crime rate, I don't see the connection you are making (google cities with highest crime rate).

And if you look at murder rates, it doesn't show that either.

Which cities have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

New Orleans, Louisiana, had higher murder rates in its home county than any other major city.

usafacts.org

What the data does show is that higher concentration of those living in poverty / higher rates of unemployment and areas that are more racially segregated have more gun violence. That makes sense to me.

Again, I'm not wading into the gun debate as there are a lot of factors at play here, but I'd like to see the data that supports "Stronger gun laws = Higher crime rates".

 

[tarheelhockey]

“Gun laws” doesn’t have to mean restrictions on an individual’s ability to possess a gun. That term can also apply to restrictions on manufacturing, sales, and distribution. I find it highly, highly doubtful that regulations on gun manufacturing, sales, and distribution lead to higher gun violence.

 

[MinJaBen]

Do you have a data source for that? I won't get into the gun debate as it's pointless, but when I did a google search right now, the data I was able to find doesn't support your assertion.

1) STATES: here are the states with the most gun deaths / 100,000 people. None of them are known to have "stiff" gun laws, in fact, quite the opposite.

U.S. gun violence rate by state 2024 | Statista

Gun violence in 2024 was highest in Mississippi, followed by Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, and Montana.

www.statista.com

2) CITIES: This is from 2021, but here are the cities with the highest gun violence. NYC is way down on the list. Chicago and Oakland are in the middle but most of the cities at the top are not known for strict gun laws (although I admit I don't know each major cities gun laws). Memphis consistently comes up as #1 on many lists and they don't have strict gun laws.

Gun Deaths in Big Cities - Urban Health Collaborative

drexel.edu

Even if you look at total crime rate, I don't see the connection you are making (google cities with highest crime rate).

And if you look at murder rates, it doesn't show that either.

Which cities have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

New Orleans, Louisiana, had higher murder rates in its home county than any other major city.

usafacts.org

What the data does show is that higher concentration of those living in poverty / higher rates of unemployment and areas that are more racially segregated have more gun violence. That makes sense to me.

Again, I'm not wading into the gun debate as there are a lot of factors at play here, but I'd like to see the data that supports "Stronger gun laws = Higher crime rates".

Well, not to defend anyone, but "rates" can mean a variety of things. You are showing what I think most advocates of gun controls would show which is the rates per capita. A lot of gun control critics I've seen point to rates of death per year in those cities, which would show they are higher. Of course, that is misleading because of the shear size, but it is a "rate" that can be used to show something even if it is (intentionally?) misleading.