OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLV: Y2K Twenty-Four Years Later

[Blueline Bomber]

Project 2025 is QAnon of thr left

Okay, if you say so.

 

[Derailed75]

Okay, if you say so.

Your conspiracy theories are dumb, ours are real!

Let me show you all my completely unbiased proof!

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Your conspiracy theories are dumb, ours are real!

Let me show you all my completely unbiased proof!

Like I said, if you say so. I'm really hoping you're right.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

This is normal







Even here in NC



Apparently these messages were spammed to people coast to coast. So normal.

Considering the messages have been targeting both sides of the political spectrum, I'd put money on it being the Russians. They've been trying (and succeeding) in sowing distrust and unrest in the US for years, and this is another example.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Shortening this so that responses don’t get unreadably long…

We 100% agree, thus why the statement that the Boomers are "profiting" off the Millennials argument makes no sense.

It doesn’t make sense from the standpoint of someone who put X into the system and expects to get X back out, having not taken the tax increases and retirement delays necessary to make that system sustainable. They see it as “I took out what I put in”.

Try to see it from the standpoint of someone who puts in X and gets back X/2, while also taking tax increases and retirement delays. Or the standpoint of someone who puts in X and gets 0. Those people see it as “I took a half share so another guy could take a full share”

Obviously that is going to lead to resentment of people who sat on the issue for 40+ years and danced off into the sunset, leaving others with the bill.

Not really. We have a two party system in which NEITHER party wants to address the issue. It's not like voters have many options. Also, I would venture a guess that the vast majority of Americans don't have any clue about the national debt or the problems SS face and aren't voting accordingly. Did 1 candidate in the past 20 years even talk about it?

You have either:
a) People that will always vote Re. or always vote Dem.
b) People that will vote for whatever candidate agrees with their stance on 1 particular issue (Abortion, Guns, Border, etc..).

America as a whole doesn't want Washington to do bad things, many are myopic in their views in who they vote for and there are only 2 choices, neither of who want to solve the issue. Politics have changed since the 70s and 80s. The primary focus of senators and reps. are to STAY IN OFFICE.

Who is "they". You are blaming a bunch of 60-75 year olds for not taking responsibility when they have very little power in a two party system in which neither party wants to solve the problem. The real issue is that politicians want to stay in office so don't make tough decisions.


We agree, thus my comment about the misplaced resentment.


In a two party systems when both parties refuse to address the issue, you are putting way too much burden on a given demographic. I assume you are in your late 30s or 40s. In the 20ish years you voted, which candidates have you voted for that would have solved the issue?

You specifically stated: "Again it’s very hard to ask a Millennial not to feel resentment toward the Boomers over this, as one group is very clearly profiting at the expense of the other."

So I took that to mean you don't think it's fair for Millenials to contribute to Social Security. If that's not what you meant, then that's fine.

Agree. but having resentment for the average 65-75 year olds, who want the same thing is hypocritical.

I don’t want to make this a R vs D thing, because the reality is both parties see this as a third rail and don’t want to talk about it.

But, just stating facts: Bernie Sanders authored a bill in 2019 which would have done the necessary and raised taxes to fix the system. Then-Senator Kamala Harris co-sponsored that legislation.

Unless I missed something (which is possible), Donald Trump’s only contribution to the discussion during his campaign was to promise NOT to cut benefits or raise the retirement age, which basically means the problem will only get worse until he’s out of office.

So yes, we have had opportunities to fix this. We vote for the guy who says he won’t do it. That’s not the politician’s fault, that’s America’s fault.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with it and wasn't stating that I did, but it's hypocrisy to say we want to take tax money from Baby Boomers who pay most of the federal taxes to help out millennials with student loans, and then at the same time, say millennials resent baby boomers for taking social security when it may not be solvent when they get to that age.

Again, the great majority of loan forgiveness does not involve taking anyone’s tax money. It simply means not continuing to take money from the public servants, scam victims, and disabled people who qualify for forgiveness.

 

[Unsustainable]

Considering the messages have been targeting both sides of the political spectrum, I'd put money on it being the Russians. They've been trying (and succeeding) in sowing distrust and unrest in the US for years, and this is another example.

China, Russia, and others need to create distraction and discourse.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

China, Russia, and others need to create distraction and discourse.

It's the new warfare and it's worked in the past. The bomb threats to Springfield, Ohio after the Haiti story? Out of country calls. The bomb threats to the polling places in Pennsylvania? Russia. And, of course, there was the 2016 election. Project Lakhta was that name.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It doesn’t make sense from the standpoint of someone who put X into the system and expects to get X back out, having not taken the tax increases and retirement delays necessary to make that system sustainable. They see it as “I took out what I put in”.

Try to see it from the standpoint of someone who puts in X and gets back X/2, while also taking tax increases and retirement delays. Or the standpoint of someone who puts in X and gets 0. Those people see it as “I took a half share so another guy could take a full share”

Obviously that is going to lead to resentment of people who sat on the issue for 40+ years and danced off into the sunset, leaving others with the bill.

You are completely ignoring the time factor. Someone who is 65-75 no longer has their prime earning years. They've essentially got what they got. So telling them to suddenly take less for the benefit of someone in the future is untenable.

Stop blaming a demographic for failures in the government. The "boomers" who have contributed 100s of thousands of dollars each to SS aren't the cause of the problem, not matter how much you want to make it so.

I don’t want to make this a R vs D thing, because the reality is both parties see this as a third rail and don’t want to talk about it.

Agree. I said the same.

But, just stating facts: Bernie Sanders authored a bill in 2019 which would have done the necessary and raised taxes to fix the system. Then-Senator Kamala Harris co-sponsored that legislation.

Unless I missed something (which is possible), Donald Trump’s only contribution to the discussion during his campaign was to promise NOT to cut benefits or raise the retirement age, which basically means the problem will only get worse until he’s out of office.

So yes, we have had opportunities to fix this. We vote for the guy who says he won’t do it. That’s not the politician’s fault, that’s America’s fault.

That's not citizens fault. We don't get to vote for legislation. Yes, we vote for representation, but as I said, it's a two party system where most of the 2 parties have no desire to fix the problem. Yes, some do, but the majority doesn't.

The real issue isn't the average Americans when it comes to that. It's special interest groups, corporations and PACs. They have way more impact on this than "Americans" do.

Again, the great majority of loan forgiveness does not involve taking anyone’s tax money. It simply means not continuing to take money from the public servants, scam victims, and disabled people who qualify for forgiveness.

that's just not true. Loan forgiveness most certainly involves using tax dollars as most of the loans are backed by the gov't.