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That's textbook poor management.

How can you trade a player with an ongoing contract, younger and talented, for an upcoming UFA, without having some sort of insight about his intention to sign with your team?

Here in MTL, the team's GM would be tarred and feathered is he'd do such a thing.

"You're fired!"

Would probably be his faith in the summer...
 
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As a rental - I think Dallas makes the most sense
As a UFA - Dallas again, but also Toronto and Columbus as well
 
samsagat said:
That's textbook poor management.

How can you trade a player with an ongoing contract, younger and talented, for an upcoming UFA, without having some sort of insight about his intention to sign with your team?

Here in MTL, the team's GM would be tarred and feathered is he'd do such a thing.

"You're fired!"

Would probably be his faith in the summer...
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Necas is also a UFA. They traded one UFA they probably weren't resigning, for a different one. Nothing has changed, except now they have Rantanen/Hall instead of Necas/Drury in the playoffs this year.
 
samsagat said:
That's textbook poor management.

How can you trade a player with an ongoing contract, younger and talented, for an upcoming UFA, without having some sort of insight about his intention to sign with your team?

Here in MTL, the team's GM would be tarred and feathered is he'd do such a thing.

"You're fired!"

Would probably be his faith in the summer...
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Montreal is a fantastic hockey market with knowledgeable and interested fans. Carolina is not a hockey market. Where would hockey even rank there? 7 or 8?
 
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Bruce Granville said:
Canes need a #1 C.
Nothing against Aho - he is one of my favourite players - but you need at least a 2nd C like him…and a replacement for Staal.
As a winger…which centres would you want on your team?
Aho, Kotkaniemi, Staal,
McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins or
Barkov, Reinhart, Bennett, Lundell?

If we extend his question to D-men…Makar, Hedman, Hughes are worth to be thought about, too.

I don‘t know which kind of weather Rantanen prefers, but quite a few Florida and California over Canada and the NE.

It could be that he wants to live in a big city like NY, LA, Chicago.

Or in a hockey market like Toronto, Montréal, Minnesota?

If it really is about money, Canes should sign him hands down…back to square one…they need a #1 C.

Because as a forward you prefer an offence first oriented team. In Carolina he will score 20 goals and 40 points less than he did in Colorado.

If he is available,I can see Vegas and Edmonton very interested, although I don’t know what they can offer aside late first round picks in a distant future.
For me Toronto should give up a prospect or two to get him and break the bank for Doughty or vice versa.
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How many 1Cs are in the league by that criteria?
 
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Bruce Granville said:
Canes need a #1 C.
Nothing against Aho - he is one of my favourite players - but you need at least a 2nd C like him…and a replacement for Staal.
As a winger…which centres would you want on your team?
Aho, Kotkaniemi, Staal,
McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins or
Barkov, Reinhart, Bennett, Lundell?

If we extend his question to D-men…Makar, Hedman, Hughes are worth to be thought about, too.

I don‘t know which kind of weather Rantanen prefers, but quite a few Florida and California over Canada and the NE.

It could be that he wants to live in a big city like NY, LA, Chicago.

Or in a hockey market like Toronto, Montréal, Minnesota?

If it really is about money, Canes should sign him hands down…back to square one…they need a #1 C.

Because as a forward you prefer an offence first oriented team. In Carolina he will score 20 goals and 40 points less than he did in Colorado.

If he is available,I can see Vegas and Edmonton very interested, although I don’t know what they can offer aside late first round picks in a distant future.
For me Toronto should give up a prospect or two to get him and break the bank for Doughty or vice versa.
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Aho is absolutely a 1C. Not all 1C’s are equal. Some are better than others. That’s why adding an elite winger, like Rantanen, is important. He can make up for the difference between Aho and a centre a bit better.
 
keglu said:
Necas has one year left on his contract.
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That's all they gave up.

One year of a guy who wasn't going to be re-signed and wasn't a fit...for a much better pending UFA who wasn't a fit going forward for his current team and wasn't going to be re-signed.

Nobody was giving the Canes a player of Rantanen's value for Necas this offseason. Everything else was a throw-in...the Canes have spare 3Cs, none of whom are returning a top-6 F either.

Seems like a solid gamble even if it doesn't work out.
 
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If I was Carolina management, I'd be looking for a UFA trade, but I'd be explicit with my GM (as the owner, 'cause if I was an owner I'd be in "GM supervision mode", after he made such a stupid move):

- Be sure the acquired player is interested in signing here BEFORE the trade..

The logic about trading for another (interested in signing) UFA being Carolina are in "win now mode", they don't care about a return made of "assets for the future".

I doubt Rantanen will be traded to a non playoff team, it'll probably be a competitive one.
So they too are gonna be in "win now mode" and will want to get better.
Trading one of their UFA for a better one might be a good strategy.

Carolina will be kind of desperate if they trade him.
As it will be because they don't want to lose him for nothing, while not wanting to weaken themselves too bad in the process.

Carolina want a top 6 center back, ideally.

Possibility:

Florida : Bennett+
Toronto : Tavares++

Other suggestions?

Doesn't seem like an easy situation for Carolina.
They'll probably ride his contract to free agency like a typical playoff rental, because of the complexity of the overall situation.
Or accept taking future assets and get a step back in terms of their level of competitiveness.
 
The literal interviews with Rants make a lot of this baseless speculation. Of course his public comments are going to be calculated but what he says publicly is more important than insiders who are often wrong and occasionally right.

He’s spent 3 days in Raleigh post-trade living out of a suit case. Unsurprising to me a deal hasn’t been discussed yet. The Canes GM has already addressed the organizations approach to this.

I’m inherently biased and wishful thinking but do think the Canes will get this done. If not, oh well, Necas was out the door the next year anyways and the Canes have $40 million entering free agency with the rest of their core locked up long term and talented prospects to sign to ELCs. Not really a nightmare scenario when they have the cap flexibility and prospect pool to generate a more talented roster next year top-to-bottom regardless of this outcome.
 
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samsagat said:
That's textbook poor management.

How can you trade a player with an ongoing contract, younger and talented, for an upcoming UFA, without having some sort of insight about his intention to sign with your team?

Here in MTL, the team's GM would be tarred and feathered is he'd do such a thing.

"You're fired!"

Would probably be his faith in the summer...
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It’s the nature of swinging big.

Necas was leaving one way or another. Rather than waiting to lose him for minimal returns at the last minute, they decided to move him earlier and get a big fish in return.

Yes it would suck if Rantanen didn’t sign. How is that different from any other rental scenario in March? What makes this one unusual is that the Canes went for it early, to give Rantanen some time to get past exactly what is happening right now, settle in, gel with his new team, and have an actual process around the decision to sign or not.

A lot of what is going on in the media right now is just reporters repeating each other’s speculation because it makes a juicy story. Trade deadline is March 7th, give it a couple of weeks for the dust to settle and then we’ll know what’s actually happening.
 
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I'd love to ask Jake and Mikko what the deal is with not wanting to resign in Carolina. On paper, you'd think it'd be a great place to settle long-term. An overall good roster, very healthy prospect pool, good head coach, you get a quality 1C, the city is nice, the media isn't crazy...seems like the ideal place to sign a $14mil/yr deal to play hockey.

Who has the room next year to take him on? And who is willing to give up what it takes? Couple random thoughts:

Rantanen+Kotkaniemi+Andersen for Pettersson+Demko
Rantanen for Huberdeau, then Calgary flips him to the highest bidder before the TDL.
Rantanen for Robertson. Risky for Dallas, IMHO but that's in the mold of Necas+ for Rantanen

Vancouver and Dallas could easily resign him next year.
 
Nevins said:
Who will want to trade a first round pick, a very good prospect, or more for a player who has underperformed since his trade as well as at the 4 Nations tournament and who really seems to want to test the free agent market. It's unfortunate for Carolina....
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Ehhh... f'em.

waitin425 said:
Laine + Evans + Calgary 1st 2025 + Habs 1st 2026 (no conditions)
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Heck no. It's actually hilarious. A non playoff team trades a king's ransom for a UFA rental.
 
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BKarchitect said:
I mean...sure...they probably would want to trade him if he is explicitly saying I don't want to be here.

Then again, he's played 6 games with his new team, half the team has been sick, he missed a game and the 4 Nations break happened shortly after the trade.

Maybe, just maybe...give the dude a bit of time to settle? "He's played 6 games and he hasn't signed yet what is wrong!!!!!"

I fail to see how this is even news at this point. There are some many "this isn't a report", "I am not saying", "of course we have to see what happens", "some around the league are saying" stupid jargon qualifiers here to make pure speculation seem like something noteworthy. He even says, "this is a lot of speculative talk".

I heard that if Rantanen doesn't eventually settle and tells Carolina he won't sign that they may want to trade him!

No shit, sherlock.

What here has actually come from Rantanen, Rantanen's agent, Carolina's FO or anybody?
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I think the chatter has less to do with him only playing 6 games, being sick and 4 nations break, and more to do with the trade deadline being in 13 days….

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And i think it ´s a Real possibility
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I’d manage your expectations.

It will be the very last place he signs.

With how upset he reportedly was, look to Nashville, stars, Minnie, anywhere else in the central as a f*ck you Avs signing.

Would be funny if he asks for less just for the opportunity to play for a central rival. I give that much better odds.
 
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