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You think I don't know that? I wasn't blaming him on the goal or the loss. Cam just overplayed the net and made a pretty good flop that was very leighton-esque.

Why do you always come out of the woodwork to defend Cam when someone makes even a slight negative remark about him?

You've had a history of those potshots at Ward in the past, and have on multiple occassions downplayed the play of whoever the Canes have in net (whether its Ward, Peters, etc) when they have good games. And considering that (I believe) was your only post about the game, it seemed like another jab.

You can see how that repeated negativity, especially against a player that (for this game, at least) doesn't deserve it, might require a response.

But if that's not the case, I apologize.
 

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Well, we'll see what he's made of in the next few days. I suspect if they lose in any fashion to Ottawa, something happens before Wednesday.

You means he trades away any decent prospects we have left? And gives away draft picks for almost nothing just to rid himself of a contract that HE negotiated?

Yes, he will most certainly do that very soon.
 

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I don't think THIS season is on JR whatsoever. He's made over the defense in just an offseason, and so far it's been better than expected.
I just don't think you can blame a GM when Staal, Staal, and Semin have about 11 or 12 goals cimbibed after 20-some games. That's not an indictment of management. It's on the players. Players play, they execute. Sooner or later, the buck HAS to stop with them.
 

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I don't think THIS season is on JR whatsoever. He's made over the defense in just an offseason, and so far it's been better than expected.
I just don't think you can blame a GM when Staal, Staal, and Semin have about 11 or 12 goals cimbibed after 20-some games. That's not an indictment of management. It's on the players. Players play, they execute. Sooner or later, the buck HAS to stop with them.

Yes but in the end, if players aren't producing, then its on JR to make changes. Whether that's a coaching change or getting other players that will execute. In the end, the buck will always stop with management.

I don't feel like JR could overhaul this team to the degree it needs, which is why he needs to go imo.
 

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I don't think THIS season is on JR whatsoever. He's made over the defense in just an offseason, and so far it's been better than expected.
I just don't think you can blame a GM when Staal, Staal, and Semin have about 11 or 12 goals cimbibed after 20-some games. That's not an indictment of management. It's on the players. Players play, they execute. Sooner or later, the buck HAS to stop with them.

I agree. I was referring more to Jr's piss poor trade history over the last 18 months. His UFA signings of Gerbe, Dvorak and Hainsey look quite good as well. But the man gets worked over in trades as he appears to be always dealing from a position of weakness and every GM knows it.
 

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Yes but in the end, if players aren't producing, then its on JR to make changes. Whether that's a coaching change or getting other players that will execute. In the end, the buck will always stop with management.

20 games in and only E. Staal (out of Semin and Jordan) is on pace anywhere near 50 points, and its somehow JR's fault?

What is going to do? Trade all of his best players?

I agree with Sens....JR basically retooled the defense (Out: McBain, Sanguinetti, Bergeron, Corvo; IN: Sekera, Hainsey, Bellemore, Murphy) in one offseason and upgraded it from s***tastic to average. Everyone on this board agreed that was the main issue with our team last year (29th out of 30 for GAA, thank you Tampa Bay!). And now we are losing because he didn't foresee Eric, Alex and Jordan slumping hard at the same time.

This isn't sustainable...our offense is going to pick up eventually.
 

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I agree. I was referring more to Jr's piss poor trade history over the last 18 months. His UFA signings of Gerbe, Dvorak and Hainsey look quite good as well. But the man gets worked over in trades as he appears to be always dealing from a position of weakness and every GM knows it.

Name a trade that's been so so bad in the last 18 months. Go ahead, I'll wait.

The last truly bad trade was probably Sanguintetti for a 2nd, and that was 3 and a half years ago.
 

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This is how I feel this season.
 

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Dumping Mark Alt so we could get rid of Boucher's contract was pretty meh...
 
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Well the proponents of change will likely get what they want, as jr is obviously trolling for bargains lately. Careful what you wish for I would say, jr's attempts to salvage seasons have been painful in the past. After going through that so many times I'd almost rather him wait to reshape in the off season. No rask being included to get a marginal player or something stupid like that.
 

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Reading the posts about the final goal and everyone bemoaning Gleason is pretty telling. He played that poorly, no doubt, but his guy didn't score. Murphy's did. On a 2 on 2. Murphy tried to help Gleason, failed, and then went to the wrong side of the net and went down on one knee while Krejci had his way with Ward.
 

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20 games in and only E. Staal (out of Semin and Jordan) is on pace anywhere near 50 points, and its somehow JR's fault?

What is going to do? Trade all of his best players?

I agree with Sens....JR basically retooled the defense (Out: McBain, Sanguinetti, Bergeron, Corvo; IN: Sekera, Hainsey, Bellemore, Murphy) in one offseason and upgraded it from s***tastic to average. Everyone on this board agreed that was the main issue with our team last year (29th out of 30 for GAA, thank you Tampa Bay!). And now we are losing because he didn't foresee Eric, Alex and Jordan slumping hard at the same time.

This isn't sustainable...our offense is going to pick up eventually.

The defense is better but I'm sorry, the offense was not really upgraded and has been terrible. Now, JR probably couldn't forsee Semin slumping but Tlusty is a decent defensive player that got hot because of Staal and Semin, Skinner has to be considered injury prone and both Staals are slumping, something JR should have accounted for considering Eric is a slow starter anyway and Jordon has played terribly offensively since coming here.

There is a severe lack of scoring depth and that falls on JR. Instead of getting someone that can play make for Jordan's line, JR decided to draft Lindholm and hope he would fix the problem.
 

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How dare he think the 5th overall pick in such a deep draft could fill a scoring hole on a team that hasn't finished lower than 16th in goals per game since 2006-07. He should have foreseen these massive, coinciding slumps and injuries.
 

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It's a mistake to assume an 18 year old is a solution you can ink into the lineup. Regardless of the drafts hype. The only kids that age that you should be planning around are the Crosby types, and even that's no sure thing.

Lindholm wasn't the only solution though. Gerbe, Dvorak, we had some other lines in the water it seemed. Jr bargain bins shops, mostly because that's all the money he has. I'm not one to generally defend him, but he spent the forward money on jstaal and semin trying to add to our too 6. He gambled that tlusty and ruutu would fill it out, ruutu has failed and the first line lost its magic. Skinner looks ready to be consistent but he has been hurt. The defense is where I've struggled more with jr, and the back up goalie prior to this season. We've been short a couple good dmen a long time. You know jr is fully aware, he even bid on suter. We have thrown Faulk in the deep end from day one, and it's been a mixed bag but he's a good player. We did that because we had no other options. Murphy is getting the same treatment, as did mcbain. We've improved the cast back there this season but it's still at least one good player short.
 
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I feel that a lack of a true 3rd line center is our biggest problem. We need a Cullen type player as a 3rd line center. Maybe move Ruutu to centering the 3rd line? I am not sure. I think we need to make a move for a 3rd line center to be honest...
 

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The defense is better but I'm sorry, the offense was not really upgraded and has been terrible. Now, JR probably couldn't forsee Semin slumping but Tlusty is a decent defensive player that got hot because of Staal and Semin, Skinner has to be considered injury prone and both Staals are slumping, something JR should have accounted for considering Eric is a slow starter anyway and Jordon has played terribly offensively since coming here.

There is a severe lack of scoring depth and that falls on JR. Instead of getting someone that can play make for Jordan's line, JR decided to draft Lindholm and hope he would fix the problem.

JR mentioned that Lindholm MIGHT be able to play RW with JStaal; however after drafting him, JR was mainly talking about Lindholm playing 3rd line center. So.. I really don't know what JR's plan for that line originally was.

It's interesting that JR's focus is reportedly on a puck-moving dman. Yes, the PP needs A LOT of help, but there is zero forward depth on this team.

It's also interesting JR is willing to unload two wingers when we needed winger support BEFORE Semin went out.

It's going to be interesting to see what unfolds.
 

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"That's the Ruutu we expect and demand. He's got to be one of the hardest working guys on our team, and that's how he gets results. He's got a good shot and we need to see him use it more. A lot of it is his work ethic has picked up and he's getting results from it." - muller

does this mean ruutu was being #lazy before?
 

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"That's the Ruutu we expect and demand. He's got to be one of the hardest working guys on our team, and that's how he gets results. He's got a good shot and we need to see him use it more. A lot of it is his work ethic has picked up and he's getting results from it." - muller

does this mean ruutu was being #lazy before?

Lazy and tentative could appear to be the same thing. Wouldn't shock me coming off the surgeries he's had (and the miserable associated rehab) that he wouldn't be going balls out. The issue with him is that if he isn't going balls out he's downright useless.
 

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