GDT: HURRICANE SAN- SEBASTIAN @ RANGERS SUMMERHOUSE AKA GAME 3 CAR @NYR

[AD Skinner]

From USA hockey since NHL rulebooks are hard to find:
A player may lift the opponent's stick at anytime provided they do not impede their progress. This is most often done in an effort to prevent the opponent from playing the puck and is considered a good defensive play.



I just wonder why we don't see it more often away from the play.

I think it's a timing thing. If the puck is nowhere close, all you're doing is taking your own stick out of play as a potential target or disruptor of play if it does come to you. If you think your assignment is going to receive a pass, why begin a battle too early thats going to alert the passer he's unavailable and find a more open target? To me the stick lift needs to be done at the right time to screw up the other team's attempt and get the puck back... otherwise if you just went around stick lifting willy nilly you're trying to annoy the other players not really defend against them. That could be its own strategy i guess but I dont know if its really a good one

 

[Sigurd]

9 for the last 92 on the PP

It's time to bring in someone who knows how to coach a goddamn power play

Improving the power play HAS to be this team's #1 priority in the offseason this summer. I don't know who the coach is that oversees the PP, but get a new one on top of bringing in new player(s) that have had success on power plays.

 

[Chrispy]

Improving the power play HAS to be this team's #1 priority in the offseason this summer. I don't know who the coach is that oversees the PP, but get a new one on top of bringing in new player(s) that have had success on power plays.

Most of the players who are successful on the PP will not be available or if they are available, are players you are concerned may be washed up (Hornqvist, Hoffman, Kessel.)

The only exception I see on the leaderboard is a rental of JT Miller. That would be a departure for the Borg, but maybe they think Miller is the missing piece? Maybe they could enter the Forsberg UFA sweepstakes, but do they make a big competitive offer with so many contracts coming up soon?

Also interesting to note:
Teravainen was #14 in the NHL this season with 31 PP points
Aho #30 with 28 PP points.
Svech #59 with 22 PP points.
TDA #73 with 20 PP points.

In terms of PP points/60 in the regular season, for players with at least 50 PP minutes:

Teravainen was #8
Aho #23
TDA #63
Svech #71

The talent is there for the PP. They need a more consistent net front and they need better schemes, or maybe just someone with more plays they can run when the standards are not working.

 

[raynman]

The PP has been an issue the last 4 playoffs. I’d think there will be changes this off-season if they can’t put it together soon.

 

[Sigurd]

What the…..just looked at the box score.

Tro played over 20 minutes and the next guy in terms of minutes played was…..you just can’t make this up: Necas at 17:59.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Most of the players who are successful on the PP will not be available or if they are available, are players you are concerned may be washed up (Hornqvist, Hoffman, Kessel.)

The only exception I see on the leaderboard is a rental of JT Miller. That would be a departure for the Borg, but maybe they think Miller is the missing piece? Maybe they could enter the Forsberg UFA sweepstakes, but do they make a big competitive offer with so many contracts coming up soon?

Also interesting to note:
Teravainen was #14 in the NHL this season with 31 PP points
Aho #30 with 28 PP points.
Svech #59 with 22 PP points.
TDA #73 with 20 PP points.

In terms of PP points/60 in the regular season, for players with at least 50 PP minutes:

Teravainen was #8
Aho #23
TDA #63
Svech #71

The talent is there for the PP. They need a more consistent net front and they need better schemes, or maybe just someone with more plays they can run when the standards are not working.

The one thing we are missing is an elite sniper, or at least a 2nd tier sniper. Laine would be my main target if he doesn't stay with CBJ long term. Hard as heck to find but essential for a Cup team, in my opinion.

 

[Chrispy]

The one thing we are missing is an elite sniper, or at least a 2nd tier sniper. Laine would be my main target if he doesn't stay with CBJ long term. Hard as heck to find but essential for a Cup team, in my opinion.

Hence my question about Hoffman. I would also say Kessel but he seemed to be much more of an assist man this year than a goal scorer.

Hoffman is a one-dimensional PP specialist at this point, but one I think Montreal would move for not much return.

 

[Sigurd]

The one thing we are missing is an elite sniper, or at least a 2nd tier sniper. Laine would be my main target if he doesn't stay with CBJ long term. Hard as heck to find but essential for a Cup team, in my opinion.

Laine would be great IMO. I had previously hoped the Finnish connection would be enough to peak his interest in our team (on top of us being an annual playoff team).

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

TDA had one good month on the PP, January

TDA on 5v4 PP

Oct, 12th, 5 points
Nov, 228th, 1 point
Dec, 220th, 1 point (3 games)
Jan, 15th, 7 points
Feb, 111th, 2 points
Mar, 168th, 2 points, 7 games
Apr, 143rd, 2 points

He had 2 good months on the PP and then not much of a factor.

 

[chaz4hockey]

TDA had one good month on the PP, January

TDA on 5v4 PP

Oct, 12th, 5 points
Nov, 228th, 1 point
Dec, 220th, 1 point (3 games)
Jan, 15th, 7 points
Feb, 111th, 2 points
Mar, 168th, 2 points, 7 games
Apr, 143rd, 2 points

He had 2 good months on the PP and then not much of a factor.

Oct and Jan weren't bad. It does call into question whether the Canes need another puck moving facilitator with a good shot to handle PP duties. Slavin isn't it.

However, we could have 77 from Tampa on the point but we'd still suck since our forwards are just not good enough snipers. Going against playoff teams which can study your approach combined with outstanding players you need an edge to be successful.

Further, effective PP folks are either the Perry type (so damn big and strong that you can't move them from the net...btw: for a $1M per year, a great pickup for Tampa....Canes need someone like him) or the guys that can get off a shot very quickly with pace and accuracy (Tampa's duo of Stamkos & Kuch, Oib-Rangers, etc.). Thus, until we change our roster's profile we will continue to suck (although I would try Nino as the front guy....prior to his injury Necas was coming along with a quick, hard shot but now it's disappeared as demonstrated by his passing on all high scoring opportunities to other players).

 

[raynman]

Might be time for Jordo to get back on the PP and park his gronk ass in front of Igor. I’m probably wrong in this analysis but it’s almost like they’ve gotten away from the net front from which would allow for quick passes from down low to the slot for a 1 timer. Now they just pass it around the exterior hoping for a 1-timer around the dots, a quick seam pass, or a wrist shot from the point that might get tipped.
I think my biggest beef is that there hasn’t been much of a change, like it’s going to normalize and they’ll start scoring again. If it’s been over 2 months that shit ain’t normalizing

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Oct and Jan weren't bad. It does call into question whether the Canes need another puck moving facilitator with a good shot to handle PP duties. Slavin isn't it.

However, we could have 77 from Tampa on the point but we'd still suck since our forwards are just not good enough snipers. Going against playoff teams which can study your approach combined with outstanding players you need an edge to be successful.

Further, effective PP folks are either the Perry type (so damn big and strong that you can't move them from the net) or the guys that can get off a shot very quickly with pace and accuracy (Tampa's duo of Stamkos & Kuch, Oib-Rangers, etc.).

i think it comes down to scheme.

Early in the season we tried below the goal line a lot. Quick pass around the boards, the low forward gets the puck, then fires a quick backwards pass the forward swooping in, and goal. Opposing defenses learned to shut it down and we havent gone to it much sense.

Then we tried point to opposite side forward to hopefully squeeze on by the goalie as they were pushing from one side to the other. opposing PKs learned to keep all of their sticks towards the middle of the ice as we were more likely to pass than shoot it.

So we decide lets stick with the tried and true. Pass it around the horn, get a forward in front of the net, and let the point player fire away. We hope to get a tip or it just squeezes through. PKs have adjusted to pressuring the point player quickly causing blocked shots or no attempt at all. We fling the puck down below the line, hoping to cycle, the opposing team gets to it, and we have to try to get in the zone again. YAY.

That is it though. We dont do a lot of guys cutting through the heart of the D to get a shot in the middle, cause the defense to move to open up other lanes, or maybe tip a slap pass as they go through on net. We have been hanging on the outside in their zones hoping to get the later two methods to work. We dont have the shooters or even a shooter's mentality to make it work.

 

[CandyCanes]

Yay and ugh. I like TT on PP 1. But excited to see how Nino factors in on the first unit.

 

[GoCanes2015]

Are there good stats that would show how all playoff teams compare to their regular season stats on PP/PK? My sense is more team regress than advance due to the tight nature of playoff games? No clue if or where that data would be.

 

[spockBokk]

Might be time for Jordo to get back on the PP and park his gronk ass in front of Igor.

This. Simplify as much as possible.

Staal should park himself in front and not move on one unit and Niederreiter or Svechnikov should do the same on the second. Pass it around the umbrella until you get a lane and shoot for deflections/rebounds.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Yay and ugh. I like TT on PP 1. But excited to see how Nino factors in on the first unit.

Nice to see...at least I was right about one thing today .

 

[Lempo]

From USA hockey since NHL rulebooks are hard to find:
A player may lift the opponent's stick at anytime provided they do not impede their progress. This is most often done in an effort to prevent the opponent from playing the puck and is considered a good defensive play.



I just wonder why we don't see it more often away from the play.

Tony's progress was impeded; he was a calming force and a top scorer after the 1st round and now he's back being a headcase to be ashamed of.

 

[chaz4hockey]

i think it comes down to scheme.

Early in the season we tried below the goal line a lot. Quick pass around the boards, the low forward gets the puck, then fires a quick backwards pass the forward swooping in, and goal. Opposing defenses learned to shut it down and we havent gone to it much sense.

Then we tried point to opposite side forward to hopefully squeeze on by the goalie as they were pushing from one side to the other. opposing PKs learned to keep all of their sticks towards the middle of the ice as we were more likely to pass than shoot it.

So we decide lets stick with the tried and true. Pass it around the horn, get a forward in front of the net, and let the point player fire away. We hope to get a tip or it just squeezes through. PKs have adjusted to pressuring the point player quickly causing blocked shots or no attempt at all. We fling the puck down below the line, hoping to cycle, the opposing team gets to it, and we have to try to get in the zone again. YAY.

That is it though. We dont do a lot of guys cutting through the heart of the D to get a shot in the middle, cause the defense to move to open up other lanes, or maybe tip a slap pass as they go through on net. We have been hanging on the outside in their zones hoping to get the later two methods to work. We dont have the shooters or even a shooter's mentality to make it work.

like most things in life it's a combination of things. Personnel & approach are at play here. We can change our approach but I still submit that without a change in personnel results will still be sub-standard.

 

[Stickpucker]

Most of the players who are successful on the PP will not be available or if they are available, are players you are concerned may be washed up (Hornqvist, Hoffman, Kessel.)

The only exception I see on the leaderboard is a rental of JT Miller. That would be a departure for the Borg, but maybe they think Miller is the missing piece? Maybe they could enter the Forsberg UFA sweepstakes, but do they make a big competitive offer with so many contracts coming up soon?

Also interesting to note:
Teravainen was #14 in the NHL this season with 31 PP points
Aho #30 with 28 PP points.
Svech #59 with 22 PP points.
TDA #73 with 20 PP points.

In terms of PP points/60 in the regular season, for players with at least 50 PP minutes:

Teravainen was #8
Aho #23
TDA #63
Svech #71

The talent is there for the PP. They need a more consistent net front and they need better schemes, or maybe just someone with more plays they can run when the standards are not working.

Is it as simple as TT was good the first 60 games of the season and pooh since then and the PP has suffered?

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Had to check that this was actually real and it was. what an idiot lol

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Do you think a stick lift in general should be allowed?

I would make the argument that a stick lift is fine when it either A: takes the puck away from someone, B: prevents them from receiving a pass or shot.

When it's used completely away from the puck and has the result of allowing an offensive player an almost free look at a shot it probably should be closer to interference then a simple stick lift.

Now I understand it's not called that way and likely never would be called that way but that's where I'm at.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Might be time for Jordo to get back on the PP and park his gronk ass in front of Igor. I’m probably wrong in this analysis but it’s almost like they’ve gotten away from the net front from which would allow for quick passes from down low to the slot for a 1 timer. Now they just pass it around the exterior hoping for a 1-timer around the dots, a quick seam pass, or a wrist shot from the point that might get tipped.
I think my biggest beef is that there hasn’t been much of a change, like it’s going to normalize and they’ll start scoring again. If it’s been over 2 months that shit ain’t normalizing

I'd agree with you except I'm not sure I've ever seen Staal park his ass in front of the net on a PP for longer then a second as he skates around and then spins out of the way as the shot is taken...

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Teams have won at the highest level in spite of PP woes. The 11 Bruins, 12 Kings and 13 Blackhawks finished < 13%. The 07 Ducks and 19 Blues round out the Bottom 5 PPs among post-lockout cup winners at 15.2% and 16.3% respectively (Link).

 

[chaz4hockey]

Are there good stats that would show how all playoff teams compare to their regular season stats on PP/PK? My sense is more team regress than advance due to the tight nature of playoff games? No clue if or where that data would be.

Reg. Season & Playoff Stats (small sample of course) for PP & Penalty Kills:

 

[The Faulker 27]

Yay and ugh. I like TT on PP 1. But excited to see how Nino factors in on the first unit.

At least he's trying new things. What's the definition of insanity again.