GDT: HURRICANE SAN- SEBASTIAN @ RANGERS SUMMERHOUSE AKA GAME 3 CAR @NYR

[bleedgreen]

Went back to watch the fuss as I had turned it off and feel I still missed the fuss. Why do we care Tony yelled at their coach while their coach was yelling at him? Anyone could do that. Domi taking a shot at Lindgren was “worse”. Tempers flare at the end of regular season games, let alone playoffs. Moving on….

 

[Discipline Daddy]

The question is are they though any more? Boston's a more sound defensive team on the whole but the Rangers blueline (Fox aside) from my impression has been a hair bigger than what Boston was putting out there. Now definitely doesn't mean better, and from a systems standpoint Boston is just flat out better than anyone else other than us defensively in the league, but they're no longer the "Big Bad Bruins" on the blueline at least.

Completely agree. The Bruins to me didn't play knockout-beatup hockey like the Big Bad Bruins of yore. Part of that is losing Chara and Shawn Thornton. McAvoy is a hell of a player, but he's just not that big. He plays big though. They just don't have a goon. They have a lot of pest and vim in their lineup, but not the big tough fighter guys. Forbort is the closest thing to a goon they have, and he was I'd say their most ineffective defensemen in the series because he isn't a great hockey player.

What sets the Bruins apart is their system is so good, and their forwards are definitely more committed to playing a 2-way game. We can catch Panarin, Zibby, and sometimes the kid line cheating offensively or not playing us hard in transition, and can get some looks because of it. With Boston, every player on that team fought us for space. Their most skilled players (Pastrnak and Marchand) played a really good 2-way game.


Whereas game 3 in Boston felt like we got "done in" by penalties, this game 3 in NY really felt like a completely winnable game where we didn't get many breaks. Like if we play a carbon copy of this in game 4, even with an awful PP, I feel like we have a 60% chance of winning it. I'm not enamored with our play, but we played really well. It's definitely not a demoralizing loss, and it's a loss you can build off of. I sincerely hope we scratch Necas for Stepan. Necas isn't like a Lorentz who is pretty much a nonfactor. Necas is destroying us in the neutral and offensive zone. Stepan could actually help the 4th line score. Necas is right up there as one of our biggest problems, and scratching him is the easiest fix.

 

[AD Skinner]

Its very strange to me how all over the internet canes fans seem to be simultaneously assuming that the canes will beat the rangers but lose to the lightning. That very well may happen but it seems to gloss over that a) beating the rangers is not assured, and if it does happen making the conference finals is itself a major accomplishment, and b) losing to the lightning is not any mark of shame as they are the back to back champs who have shown no sign of slowing down. I don't really get the doom and gloom around this team that has already had a more successful season than 75% of the league

 

[Stickpucker]

I want to see a line combo we haven't seen yet b/c I think it would be really effective...

Nino - Aho - Jarvis

then I'd have

TT - Staal - Fast (lets be honest Turbo has been cold as ice and we can just let him play defense)

then it gets harder....Tro and Domi had a really good game together...can they reproduce? oo la la

Svech - Tro - Domi

4th line...I'd let Stepan draw in....I think he'd look good in this series

Necas - Koko - Stepan

On the whole I think the goaltending and D has been great but we've been let down by the forwards so I'm happy to see them in the blend-o-matic at least for game 3.

 

[Sigurd]

“DeAngelo has lost his stick”


Yeah, ray, because it got chopped out of his hands by zib.

The follow up comment from the PbP announcer, and I'm paraphrasing slightly from memory: "such a strange play that DeAngelo lost his stick." As if the stick flew entirely on it's own, or it was a freak accident.

Also, apparently it is legal to slash an opponent's stick upwards but it is a penalty if you slash downwards according to the ESPN commentators during the intermission. Who writes the f***ing rules for this league? Monkeys? Cause it sure seems like it in times like these. I swear, between GI being enforced whenever they want, and now this, there is some BS with the calls in this sport. Here I was thinking the refs ignored a penalty more outrageous than the Rangers cross checking penalty they called in the 1st period. Bush league from top to bottom.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

It's a stick lift...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Also, apparently it is legal to slash an opponent's stick upwards but it is a penalty if you slash downwards according to the ESPN commentators during the intermission. Who writes the f***ing rules for this league? Monkeys?

"Tell me you've never played hockey without telling me you've never played hockey."

Pee-wees learn this.

 

[Sigurd]

"Tell me you've never played hockey without telling me you've never played hockey."

I actually did when I was a young teenager; albeit not many years. Try again?

Interesting you single me out when other people in this topic said at the time a penalty was ignored. Also interesting that's your only comment to put down a fellow Canes fan while seemingly defending, or at the very least condoning a BS rule.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I actually did when I was a young teenager; albeit not many years. Try again?

Interesting you single me out when other people in this topic said at the time a penalty was ignored. Also interesting that's your only comment to put down a fellow Canes fan while seemingly defending, or at the very least condoning a BS rule.

It's not a BS rule. It's a stick lift. It's a staple of any good defensive-minded player. Just because DeAngelo's stick went flying because of the stick lift doesn't make it a penalty.

 

[Sigurd]

It's not a BS rule. It's a stick lift. It's a staple of any good defensive-minded player. Just because DeAngelo's stick went flying because of the stick lift doesn't make it a penalty.

While you'd be right on stick lift plays, Zibs did more than just a stick lift.

FWIW, when 2 NHL players on the Canes think it should've been a penalty during the play, that tells you it's an iffy rule at best. B-but of course they want a penalty!

Then you should know better. Did any ref you ever saw call an upward slash ever? Like even once? Didn't your coaches tell you that if your check had one hand on his stick, that you should punish him by lifting his stick into the stands for him?

It was so long ago, I don't even remember many penalties being called at all dude. It also doesn't take away from my opposition to the current rule.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

While you'd be right on stick lift plays, Zibs did more than just a stick lift.

FWIW, when 2 NHL players on the Canes think it should've been a penalty during the play, that tells you it's an iffy rule at best. B-but of course they want a penalty!

Team that lost the game wants a different outcome. More news at 11.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Do you think a stick lift in general should be allowed?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

While you'd be right on stick lift plays, Zibs did more than just a stick lift.

FWIW, when 2 NHL players on the Canes think it should've been a penalty during the play, that tells you it's an iffy rule at best. B-but of course they want a penalty!


It was so long ago, I don't even remember many penalties being called at all dude. It also doesn't take away from my opposition to the current rule.

Also, I've heard way worse from people in person including from a former job of mine. So, while I appreciate you flattering yourself with thinking you're hurting my feelings and calling me a snowflake (lol cute), I think I'll live from a random curmudgeon's comments on the internet.

Fair enough (I like to think I'm not a random curmudgeon here, though. I live here.)

You wrong doe. Like, crazy wrong. Just want to be clear. Five year olds learn this rule.

 

[Sigurd]

Team that lost the game wants a different outcome. More news at 11.

...It was still in the 2nd period but okay.

 

[Sigurd]

Fair enough (I like to think I'm not a random curmudgeon here, though. I live here.)

You wrong doe. Like, crazy wrong. Just want to be clear. Five year olds learn this rule.

Not that it's relevant to the discussion at hand, but no they never taught me that rule. Maybe that says something about youth hockey in NC back then. I never had to worry about the rule since I didn't even slash people.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Not that it's relevant to the discussion at hand, but no they never taught me that rule. Maybe that says something about youth hockey in NC back then. I never had to worry about the rule since I didn't even slash people.

The funny part is that I didn't even watch the game because I had other things to do and suspected they would lose. I didn't even see the play you're talking about. I'm literally just reacting to the paragraph I quoted.

I'm a terrible fan, and I'm okay with that.

Maybe the players who were upset by the play saw something else that was penalty-worthy, I dunno. But there's no such thing as an upward slash, by definition, so.

Anyway, carry on.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don't know how this is "more than just a stick lift".

The funny part is that I didn't even watch the game because I had other things to do and suspected they would lose. I didn't even see the play you're talking about. I'm literally just reacting to the paragraph I quoted.

I'm a terrible fan, and I'm okay with that.

Maybe the players who were upset by the play saw something else that was penalty-worthy, I dunno. But there's no such thing as an upward slash, by definition, so.

Anyway, carry on.

(For the record, it should be easily seen on the replay of the Rangers' second goal.

 

[Tryamw]

As for upward slashes... Most Nut jobs count here.. but I accept cause it's a stick it's different.. but if said lifted stick hit Zib in the face it'd be a high stick.. (On it's way to the moon.) Correct? also Can you take a guy away from the play and lift his stick. (What are the Rules here..) Can I just lift a guys stick on the far side of the ice?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

As for upward slashes... Most Nut jobs count here.. but I accept cause it's a stick it's different.. but if said lifted stick hit Zib in the face it'd be a high stick.. (On it's way to the moon.) Correct?

I don't actually think so. The spirit of the rule is that you're responsible for your own stick. If you allowed your stick to be lifted such that you hit yourself in the face, I don't think it's a penalty. I can't find anything in the rules one way or the other, but I'm not looking super hard.

 

[Tryamw]

I don't actually think so. The spirit of the rule is that you're responsible for your own stick. If you allowed your stick to be lifted such that you hit yourself in the face, I don't think it's a penalty. I can't find anything in the rules one way or the other, but I'm not looking super hard.

In this case it was the stick lifter.. that would have gotten hit.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don't actually think so. The spirit of the rule is that you're responsible for your own stick. If you allowed your stick to be lifted such that you hit yourself in the face, I don't think it's a penalty. I can't find anything in the rules one way or the other, but I'm not looking super hard.

He’s saying if Zib lifted TDA’s stick into Zib’s own face would it be a penalty. That I don’t know.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

He’s saying if Zib lifted TDA’s stick into Zib’s own face would it be a penalty. That I don’t know.

No. That would be incidental contact.

 

[Tryamw]

From USA hockey since NHL rulebooks are hard to find:
A player may lift the opponent's stick at anytime provided they do not impede their progress. This is most often done in an effort to prevent the opponent from playing the puck and is considered a good defensive play.



I just wonder why we don't see it more often away from the play.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Went back to watch the fuss as I had turned it off and feel I still missed the fuss. Why do we care Tony yelled at their coach while their coach was yelling at him? Anyone could do that. Domi taking a shot at Lindgren was “worse”. Tempers flare at the end of regular season games, let alone playoffs. Moving on….

Yeah TDA (or anyone else) showing passion and emotion on the ice will never be an issue for me unless it leads to dumb penalties/suspension/play-slipping/etc. And none of that has happened yet with Tony, so I don't have any issues with it. In fact I like it, I think the boys need to get mad more often, they play better when they're mad.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

From USA hockey since NHL rulebooks are hard to find:
A player may lift the opponent's stick at anytime provided they do not impede their progress. This is most often done in an effort to prevent the opponent from playing the puck and is considered a good defensive play.



I just wonder why we don't see it more often away from the play.

Depends on where on the ice you are.

In front of the net, you see constant stick lifts because attacking players in the slot are often stationary, looking to one time or tip. Low risk, high reward.

Farther out, there's less benefit and more chance of missing the lift because players are moving faster. That's the real risk; if the stick comes too high in open ice, you can end up hooking or high sticking. A not-insignificant number of high stick calls come from failed stick lifts in open ice.