Proposal: Huge ANA NYR WIN

[Hunter368]

No argument from me.

You guy will sign him, just posturing now. Any gm who let's a player like Lindholm go for 250k is insane. Deal will be signed.

Who do you guys realistically think you can trade to resolve cap issue? Is Lindholm contract being partly delayed while other deal is resolved to solve cap issue?

 

[Sojourn]

You guy will sign him, just posturing now. Any gm who let's a player like Lindholm go for 250k is insane. Deal will be signed.

Who do you guys realistically think you can trade to resolve cap issue? Is Lindholm contract being partly delayed while other deal is resolved to solve cap issue?

That is the question, isn't it? Regarding the delay, my feeling is that no. They'll work on the Lindholm deal independent of the team right now, because Murray needs to try to win hockey games. I think any movement will happen just before he signs. Whether it's one deal, or multiple, I think it will be put on hold until that last minute.

As for the deal, I'd speculate that, first, Murray will try to package Stoner with a pick and/or prospect. It may even be someone like Montour, considering where we are now. I don't think Murray would have entertained it before, but given what's going on he may just feel it needs to happen. Someone like Bernier could also be involved in a side type deal, but Anaheim would need to find another back up. It would just be one that doesn't have a $4m cap hit.

Alternatively, he may try to move one of Fowler or Vatanen, and try to get some forward talent(likely young, and cost controlled) while also creating some space. I would have said Fowler is the obvious choice(and been unhappy about it), but right now I'm leaning towards the possibility it could be Vatanen.

LTIR may delay some stuff, but based on the way things are going, I think one of those things will need to happen.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Anaheim trades the best player in the deal, and gets the 3rd best one back, seems good.

 

[bernmeister]

Please read whole post for explanations before jumping all over it. thank you.

To NYR Trouba+ Stoner
To Win Lindholm+ McIlrath ( cap purposes. could be their #6)
To ANA Miller+ Dano+NYR 1st rd pick

WHY?!?!?

For NYR fans may be leery of dealing miller. I am as well, but you have to give to get. trouba solves their RD problem at 23 yrs old and rangers get to keep skjei. new top 6
McD-Trouba
Staal-Klein
Skjei-girardi/holden.


for Win Lindholm solves their LD problem. he is an upgrade from trouba, chevy looks like a hero. Moving Dano shouldn't hurt them with guys like armia,petan, burmistrov, etc knocking on the door. Gives the jets a legit solid top 6 for years to come.
Lindholm-Buff
Morrisey-Myers
Enstrom-McIlrath/potsma


For ANA, their cap situation sucks. trading lindholm kind of stings but don't be short sited on the return. This is a very good haul for the ducks on multiple facets.
1.Miller is only 23,signed for under 3mill for the next 2 years then RFA after that. he has 30 goal potential, lundqvist has stated multiple times that miller has the best shot on our team. Dano also adds great skill to their top 9. he is cheap and will also only to continue to get better. I think he is a 25-25 player in the future. 1st Rd pick could wind up being the best player of all, who knows? They also get rid of stoners contract. That allows them to resign fowler who has been great for them. Larrson has played well this year and theodore and montour are waiting in the wings. that should help mitigate the loss of lindolm. It's essentially 3 first Rd picks and dumb stoner in the process. Ducks line up looks as good as anyone in the west and it gives them a chance to really go for the cup while Getzlaf and Perry are in their prime years.

Miller-Getzlaf-Perry
Rakell-Kesler-Silfverberg
Cogliano-Vermentte-Dano
Garbut-Wagner-??

(resigned)Fowler-vatanen
Theodore-Manson
Larrsson- Bieksa/montour
Gibson

looks really solid.


flame flame flame flame away!

no no no on Miller
deal a vet ... like Zuc

Even if Stoner is buried, we still carry like 2.3 million in cap. His whole cap hit doesn't go away... It just absolutely doesn't work. We would be way over the cap. Winnipeg makes out like bandits and I don't think Anaheim does this.

I have to concur with everyone here... this is terrible. All around.

thank you
some on our board refuse to acknowledge cap or expansion draft consequences

The best piece of a return for Lindholm won't be J.T. Miller.

I'm confident of that.

That isn't some knock on Miller, but he's not going to do it. Plenty of teams would be willing to offer at least one single piece that is better than that. The rest of the package may end up smaller as a result, but for Lindholm teams will offer more.

Miller is grossly underrated
15OA and would go higher if redrafted
that said, I agree

teams offer more
and JT is not the most complementary fit --- that would be Zuc

Zuc is not enough, but is a respectable downpayment

 

[Hunter368]

That is the question, isn't it? Regarding the delay, my feeling is that no. They'll work on the Lindholm deal independent of the team right now, because Murray needs to try to win hockey games. I think any movement will happen just before he signs. Whether it's one deal, or multiple, I think it will be put on hold until that last minute.

As for the deal, I'd speculate that, first, Murray will try to package Stoner with a pick and/or prospect. It may even be someone like Montour, considering where we are now. I don't think Murray would have entertained it before, but given what's going on he may just feel it needs to happen. Someone like Bernier could also be involved in a side type deal, but Anaheim would need to find another back up. It would just be one that doesn't have a $4m cap hit.

Alternatively, he may try to move one of Fowler or Vatanen, and try to get some forward talent(likely young, and cost controlled) while also creating some space. I would have said Fowler is the obvious choice(and been unhappy about it), but right now I'm leaning towards the possibility it could be Vatanen.

LTIR may delay some stuff, but based on the way things are going, I think one of those things will need to happen.

Let's talk about your points:

- Let's assume Lindholm is signed, what is the AAV currently being discussed/reported?

- Stoner is bad, contract is worse. Montour & Stoner.....expected return? Montour played the left side before? If yes how well? Has his defensive game improved?

- as you know no interest in Fowler.

- Vatanen signed average contract, long term. Expected return if traded? Does he play left side ever? If yes how did he do?

 

[lindholmie]

whats the argument against fowler this season so for with him having the best possession stats on the ducks d. 5 points in 7 games. 24+mins a game.

 

[go4hockey]

Does Ana at least get a dinner date with the screwing they get here?

 

[Sojourn]

whats the argument against fowler this season so for with him having the best possession stats on the ducks d. 5 points in 7 games. 24+mins a game.

Sample size.

And it's a fair argument, I think. If you were down on Fowler before, I doubt 7 games changes your mind.

 

[Hunter368]

Sample size.

And it's a fair argument, I think. If you were down on Fowler before, I doubt 7 games changes your mind.

Correct.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

If the Ducks were to make Lindholm available, there would be no need to include a cap dump. He would be auctioned to the highest bidder. The idea that the Ducks would trade their best young D with a cap dump is pure fantasy.

And rest assured Jay, the Ducks are not in "dire financial straits". The bills are getting paid and the light are still on. They are faced with some tough hockey decisions like many teams go through.

 

[Trolfoli]

If the Ducks were to make Lindholm available, there would be no need to include a cap dump. He would be auctioned to the highest bidder. The idea that the Ducks would trade their best young D with a cap dump is pure fantasy.

And rest assured Jay, the Ducks are not in "dire financial straits". The bills are getting paid and the light are still on. They are faced with some tough hockey decisions like many teams go through.

Lindholm isn't on the Ducks books right now. If they trade him for assets making $2.5M (for example purposes) they have to come up with that space.

LTIR: Yes they can use LTIR to exceed the cap, but if the LTIR player comes back they are screwed. I don't think most rational GM's would make a move like that. The Kane injury worked out because he was going to be out until playoffs started. With a concussion there's no way of telling how long the player will be out.

If a cap dump doesn't go with Lindholm then the Ducks moving cap in a separate trade.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Lindholm isn't on the Ducks books right now. If they trade him for assets making $2.5M (for example purposes) they have to come up with that space.

LTIR: Yes they can use LTIR to exceed the cap, but if the LTIR player comes back they are screwed. I don't think most rational GM's would make a move like that. The Kane injury worked out because he was going to be out until playoffs started. With a concussion there's no way of telling how long the player will be out.

If a cap dump doesn't go with Lindholm then the Ducks moving cap in a separate trade.

I know how to do math. Lindholm won't be moved for the purpose of clearing space except in some people's dreams. That is one of the dumbest beliefs I've seen on HF.

Jeeeze.

 

[Trolfoli]

I know how to do math. Lindholm won't be moved for the purpose of clearing space except in some people's dreams. That is one of the dumbest beliefs I've seen on HF.

Jeeeze.

Was anyone saying that? I think Llindholm would get a good return, and probably has enough value for a team to take someone like Stoner on top of the good return.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Was anyone saying that? I think Llindholm would get a good return, and probably has enough value for a team to take someone like Stoner on top of the good return.

Stoner has negative value. Maybe you should take a refresher course in math.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Terrible for Anaheim. Sorry ducks fans.

 

[Not So Mighty]

Takes two to dance, that means your gm won't give 250k to Lindholm to get a long term deal done. Stupid on both sides

True but who says our GM isn't the one that danced toward that 250K gap first? Maybe it's Lemieux's turn to lead.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Really bad trade. Anaheim really gets screwed.

Maybe if it was Fowler, but obviously WPG wouldn't do it

 

[Maukkis]

Miller is grossly underrated
15OA and would go higher if redrafted
that said, I agree

teams offer more
and JT is not the most complementary fit --- that would be Zuc

Zuc is not enough, but is a respectable downpayment

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Are you aware that a redraft does not tell you anything about Miller's abilities? It seems like that's your only argument for keeping Miller, other than "keep the young and sell the vets + Stepan". And then, it's even worse that you use a draft position to value player six years after the draft took place. Do you know when the position loses its importance? The second after the pick is made.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Not really interested from an Anaheim perspective

 

[Pongs21]

We make out like bandits here so you won't see me complaining. Not enough value going to ANA. In this scenario I think WPG would have to send another valuable asset ANA's way. and can NYR even afford to take on Trouba, sign him and take on Stoners contract?

 

[Hunter368]

Let's talk about your points:

- Let's assume Lindholm is signed, what is the AAV currently being discussed/reported?

- Stoner is bad, contract is worse. Montour & Stoner.....expected return? Montour played the left side before? If yes how well? Has his defensive game improved?

- as you know no interest in Fowler.

- Vatanen signed average contract, long term. Expected return if traded? Does he play left side ever? If yes how did he do?

Sojourn what are your thoughts on above?

 

[GAGLine]

ehh

one stoner is waived him and Mcilrath have a similar salary. he will just be burried anyway. Trouba most likely 5.5 6 mill per

Only 950k of a contract can be buried. Stoner would still cost 2.3 mil against the cap.

 

[Rufus]

Not gonna happen. Lindholm is only traded for a comparable D man coming back. He's nearly a #1 at this point

 

[KingDeathMetal]

This is actually a pretty good deal, but Anaheim would need more. IMO Jets aren't giving up enough here, considering they are getting a massive upgrade at LD and a player with a higher ceiling than Trouba. If the Jets add a quality forward for Anaheim and another future (1st round pick?) then I think it could get done.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

We make out like bandits here so you won't see me complaining. Not enough value going to ANA. In this scenario I think WPG would have to send another valuable asset ANA's way. and can NYR even afford to take on Trouba, sign him and take on Stoners contract?

Oops, my thoughts exactly.

And if Trouba is coming our way, you bet your a$$ we can afford it. I'll pack Rick Nash's bags myself. Gorton will find a way if he has to hire a sniper to pick off Girardi and Staal