Value of: Huberdeau vs Gallagher

[Habs Halifax]

We have our differences on the same thread, but this is really bad.

Not even close. Any deal needs to at minimum include: Koti, Suzuki or Drouin.

1) Kotkaniemi? No, nice try

2) Drouin? No, not interested in a lateral trade and I suspect the Panthers are only interested in acquiring young players that are NHL proven and cheaper than Huberdeau cause they want to go after Panarin and Bob

3) Suzuki and a 1st with top 3 lottery protection. I'd consider it. But I think the Panthers are after more NHL proven assets that are cheap and under RFA control.

Tells us Mr Expert, what is the reason why you are willing to trade Huberdeau? What's the plan?

 

[Extra Texture]

I like both players but if you made me choose, I would choose Huberdeau but I couldn’t fault anyone for picking Gallagher either. I like his game a lot

Yup. I hate these kinds of debates because its putting two guys that are not really analogous, and thus fans of the shortchanged player are going to see it as some kind of slight. Which its not.

They're both outstanding players. On my own team I would take Huberdeau because he's got an added offensive dimension and at LW he's a better fit. Doesnt mean I wouldnt give up the sun and moon if it meant a chance to trade for Brendan Gallagher.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Very close. I'd take Gallagher because I love his playing style and cap hit.

 

[Frank Drebin]

This the poll section now?

I'm tempted to take hubs because I expect a decline from Gally but he's just getting better and better every year.

Voted hubs, happy with gally

 

[Kraken Jokes]

This the poll section now?

I was wondering that as well.

 

[Just Linda]

- In terms of complete game... Gallagher, no contest.

- In terms of offensive ability... Huberdeau.

Lets look at other evaluations vs PP points.

Gallagher:
- 5/5 stats: 18 goals with 12 assists
- Giveaways: 20
- Takeaways: 35
- Hits: 84

Huberdeau:
- 5/5 stats: 7 goals with 23 assists
- Giveaways: 55
- Takeaways: 27
- Hits: 35

In terms of overall players game... Edge to Gallagher IMO. Huberdeau is producing on a PP that is 2nd best in the league.

Seems kinda contradictory to discount a player for being part of the second best PP when he is a big part of why it is the second best PP.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Seems kinda contradictory to discount a player for being part of the second best PP when he is a big part of why it is the second best PP.

Wonder why they left out the PP points or didn't want to include it.

Huberdeau: 6 PPG and 22 PP pts
Gallagher: 4 PPG and 6 PP pts

 

[Just Linda]

Wonder why they left out the PP points or didn't want to include it.

Huberdeau: 6 PPG and 22 PP pts
Gallagher: 4 PPG and 6 PP pts

For context do you have pp times?

 

[Gardner McKay]

you sure know a lot about Hockey if you think it's a "landslide" of difference
Crazy the amount of people who undervalue Gallagher.


There's no other Grinder, except Marchand, who is better than Gallagher in this league. Crazy the recognition he doesn't get, wow.

I'll take things I never said for $1,000, Forrest.

The question is, who would you rather have? I would rather have Huberdeau by a landslide. I never said there is a landslide of difference. For my team, a guy like Huberdeau is a much bigger need than a guy like Gallagher.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'll take things I never said for $1,000, Forrest.

The question is, who would you rather have? I would rather have Huberdeau by a landslide. I never said there is a landslide of difference. For my team, a guy like Huberdeau is a much bigger need than a guy like Gallagher.

This is not a trade proposal. This is about player vs player value. By looking at player vs player in all aspects of the game, I'm taking Gallagher. He scores just as much as Huberdeau (if not more) and he is a much better 200' hockey player. Huberdeau is gifted more offensively though.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

For context do you have pp times?

This year:

Huberdeau has a total of 190.5 mins on PP in 54 games. Jonathan Huberdeau NHL Advanced Statistics (Power Play) | Hockey-Reference.com

Gallagher has a total of 159.1 mins on PP in 56 games. Brendan Gallagher NHL Advanced Statistics (Power Play) | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is not a trade proposal. This is about player vs player value. By looking at player vs player in all aspects of the game, I'm taking Gallagher. He scores just as much as Huberdeau (if not more) and he is a much better 200' hockey player. Huberdeau is gifted more offensively though.

The question the OP actually posed was this:

Need some clarification here,

Who would you rather have?

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Huberdeau, 25 year old, LW, playmaker, 4 more years left @ $5.9 million

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Gallagher, 26 years old, grinding 2 way scorer, 2 more years left @ $ 3.75 million

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In the regular season, I'd rather have Huberdeau 7-8/10 but in the playoffs it would even out for me a lot more.
When taking into account, their age, contract and style of play, who would you want/value more during regular season and then in the playoffs? Feel Gallagher is more suited for the grind of the playoffs but just curious how others feel of their genuine value to each other?



****Also, just for poops n giggles, how close is Lehkonen + Juulsen + 2019 3rd for Huberdeau?*** (not my idea)

The poll is about value. The OP's questions is who would you rather have. I stand by my statement and I don't need Habs fans trying to tell me why Gallagher is a better fit for my team when I know he isn't.

I believe Huberdeau is a significantly better fit for the Rangers than Gallagher.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The question the OP actually posed was this:

The poll is about value. The OP's questions is who would you rather have. I stand by my statement and I don't need Habs fans trying to tell me why Gallagher is a better fit for my team when I know he isn't.

I believe Huberdeau is a significantly better fit for the Rangers than Gallagher.

I'm assuming it as who you would rather have ignoring your team make-up. If it's about how the player looks on my team? I think both the Panthers and Habs keep their player. I agree with you on that one.

However, ignoring my personal team I cheer for, I'm taking Gallagher. He's the better 200' hockey player IMO.

Goal scoring: Edge to Gallagher
Assist and play making: Huberdeau
Intensity and grit: Gallagher
PP talent: Edge to Huberdeau
Giveaways/Takeaways: Gallagher

Gallagher has accomplished his production with less talent surrounding him.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'm assuming it as who you would rather have ignoring your team make-up. If it's about how the player looks on my team? I think both the Panthers and Habs keep their player. I agree with you on that one.

However, ignoring my personal team I cheer for, I'm taking Gallagher. He's the better 200' hockey player IMO.

Goal scoring: Edge to Gallagher
Assist and play making: Huberdeau
Intensity and grit: Gallagher
PP talent: Edge to Huberdeau
Giveaways/Takeaways: Gallagher

Gallagher has accomplished more with less talent surrounding him.

So after all this debate, you now realize that Lehkonen is nowhere near close to value of Huberdeau if Gallagher has similar value to him?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seems kinda contradictory to discount a player for being part of the second best PP when he is a big part of why it is the second best PP.

If I was discounting Huberdeau PP talent, I would not be interesting in acquiring him. Do you think I'm drooling over his 5/5 stats and grit?

 

[Habs Halifax]

So after all this debate, you now realize that Lehkonen is nowhere near close to value of Huberdeau if Gallagher has similar value to him?

Nope. I don't realize what you are trying to sell. Lehkonen is much better than most give him credit for. He's just not as gifted offensively as Huberdeau. When I look at 5/5 stats and overall game, the gap between Lehkonen and Huberdeau is not as massive as what you are trying to say it is.

I told you Gallagher > Huberdeau. That has not changed. Not sure why you think I'm realizing anything different?

In terms of evaluating all aspects of the game...

- Lehkonen (7/10). Maybe I would admit to something like 6.5/10
- Huberdeau (8.5/10)
- Gallagher (8.75/10)

Huberdeau and Gallagher are close. Just depends on what style of player you value more.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'm assuming it as who you would rather have ignoring your team make-up. If it's about how the player looks on my team? I think both the Panthers and Habs keep their player. I agree with you on that one.

However, ignoring my personal team I cheer for, I'm taking Gallagher. He's the better 200' hockey player IMO.

Goal scoring: Edge to Gallagher
Assist and play making: Huberdeau
Intensity and grit: Gallagher
PP talent: Edge to Huberdeau
Giveaways/Takeaways: Gallagher

Gallagher has accomplished his production with less talent surrounding him.

Well, you're doing just that. Assuming. I am taking the question as it was worded.

Either way, I would take Huberdeau. If we are talking about Rangers needs, I take Huberdeau by a lot.

 

[tony d]

Both are solid players but Huberdau is who I'd go with here.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

I still don't understand why this thread is in the "Trades & Rumours" forum. It's neither a proposal nor a rumour.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well, you're doing just that. Assuming. I am taking the question as it was worded.

Either way, I would take Huberdeau. If we are talking about Rangers needs, I take Huberdeau by a lot.

It's about player value. Not about how he fits on certain teams. That's how I read into it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

It's about player value. Not about how he fits on certain teams. That's how I read into it.

My answer is still Huberdeau.

God forbid someone has a different opinion around here...

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Nope. I don't realize what you are trying to sell. Lehkonen is much better than most give him credit for. He's just not as gifted offensively as Huberdeau. When I look at 5/5 stats and overall game, the gap between Lehkonen and Huberdeau is not as massive as what you are trying to say it is.

I told you Gallagher > Huberdeau. That has not changed. Not sure why you think I'm realizing anything different?

In terms of evaluating all aspects of the game...

- Lehkonen (7/10). Maybe I would admit to something like 6.5/10
- Huberdeau (8.5/10)
- Gallagher (8.75/10)

Huberdeau and Gallagher are close. Just depends on what style of player you value more.

So you'd still defend your offer of Lehkonen + Juulsen + 3rd for Huberdeau? If you can't admit it's bad, that's my cue to end the discussion here.

 

[From The Couch]

Both players provide a huge impact for any team they're on. However, a Gallagher type player is rare to have on your team, a Huberdeau type player is more common to have on your team.

 

[ottawa]

I'll take the guy who's not going to break down physically in 3-4 years.

Even if you assume Gallagher will be quite healthy in 5 years it's still Huberdeau.

Gallagher was supposed to physically break down a year into his contract, after that 2 years into his contract, and then 3 years into his contract. Well here we are, 4 years into his contract...might as well push the bar to 3-4 years now and re-assess later. It's easier that way instead of having this conversation every year.

I'll take Gallagher right now and in 3-4 years I might change my opinion...Huberdeau is a dime a dozen, Gallagher is a rare breed you don't see in the NHL anymore. I can't even think of 5 players who play a similar style to him as effectively as Gally does...they just don't make em like that anymore.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So you'd still defend your offer of Lehkonen + Juulsen + 3rd for Huberdeau? If you can't admit it's bad, that's my cue to end the discussion here.

No, it's not bad. Talk to me when/if Huberdeau is traded. I remember someone saying my Juulsen and two 2nd's were bad for Muzzin and the Leafs trumped it slightly. I was not significantly behind.

If you can get better than Lehkonen and Juulsen, all the power to you. I believe Lehkonen and Juulsen address two of the needs you would have and the reason why you would trade Huberdeau in the 1st place.

1) Acquiring younger NHL talent on cheap RFA control. Saves you $2-$3M in cap space to go after Panarin/Bob
2) You acquire a top 4RD in Juulsen which appears to be a need.

I think it fits. I don't don't care if you don't like it.