Huberdeau or Dubois

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Huberdeau is an elite play driver and should age really well. Dubois is one of the best powerforwards in the league and a nice complementary piece while being 5 years younger. He should be somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 millions cheaper

We'll get a better answer next year honestly. If the Habs luck out and get Bedard or another franchise-level prospect ala Jack Hughes, I'd go with Dubois. If the teams can't draft such a prospect as a result of shitty luck or overperforming next year, I'd take Huberdeau

Great teams need at least two elite playdrivers. Caufield might be that but we have no one else on the team or prospect pool who we can realistically bank on being such a player

Huberdeau is such a player. He'd come with an expiration date and at a significant cost but he "makes his teammates better"

What if draft Carlsson or Dvorsky? No need for Dubois. Top 10 is filled with centers.

 

[Apfel Struble]

What if draft Carlsson or Dvorsky? No need for Dubois. Top 10 is filled with centers.

Yeah that works too. I mean if some of the projected top prospects disapoint majorly (like Lambert) or the team overperforms hard and drafts at like 12th

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Unless the management team is incompetent and tries to turn this rebuild into a quasi-retool, as it seems they have with the Bach trade that will blow up in their faces as he's a bust, we'll be entering our competitive window in three to five years. Moving Lehkonen - an ever-undervalued and unfairly maligned player in Montreal and my favorite player over the last half-decade - was absolutely the right call. We didn't even have the cap space to sign him to a reasonable deal for this year.

Romanov I can agree with.

Dach is 21, that's not a retool move.

Romanov, Weber and Petry trades all made the team younger by sacrificing experience for potential.

Yeah that works too. I mean if some of the projected top prospects disapoint majorly (like Lambert) or the team overperforms hard and drafts at like 12th

I'd be very surprised at the latter.

A 15 points jump would still put us at 70 points, good for 4-8th last.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Neither.

One is too old for our compete window and a liability to the tank.

The other is a basket case.

 

[MXD]

The same as lack of success in the playoffs, for one. Why do you think the Panthers traded him?

...Because they wanted an even worse playoff performer, obviously.

 

[Apfel Struble]

I'd be very surprised at the latter.

A 15 points jump would still put us at 70 points, good for 4-8th last.

I sure hope so! Someone in another thread had a nice projection: Habs will be around 0.400 vs Eastern teams and 0.500 vs Western ones. It would total for 72 points which is around 3 worst t 5/6th worst depending on the year.

I think 4th last is realistic which would give us a shot at one of Bedard/Michkov/Fantili/Dvorski/Yager/Carlsson

 

[Montreal Impact FC]

Porque no los dos?

Huberdeau-Bedard-Dubois
SLAF-Suzuki-CC

HUBIE - SUZKI - WOODY
SLAF- BEDDIE - COFFEE

 

[FF de Mars]

...Because they wanted an even worse playoff performer, obviously.

They say it's a horrible trade for the Panthers. In the end the Panthers will own Tkachuk's rights for the next 8 years and the Flames will finally have to retool when they're done selling all those spare parts, unless they sign Huberdeau, who's much older, to a deadweight contract. Maybe Tkachuk's playoffs were bad because he relied on Gaudreau as a playmaker and Gaudreau is so small he's ineffective in the playoffs. Obviously I lack context as I'm not omniscient but there must be something to it. Tkachuk has many years ahead to prove he's not a choker like Huberdeau. That's just my take, take it or leave it, I'm not saying I'm right, nobody knows all of the truth nor the future.

 

[MXD]

They say it's a horrible trade for the Panthers. In the end the Panthers will own Tkachuk's rights for the next 8 years and the Flames will finally have to retool when they're done selling all those spare parts, unless they sign Huberdeau, who's much older, to a deadweight contract. Maybe Tkachuk's playoffs were bad because he relied on Gaudreau as a playmaker and Gaudreau is so small he's ineffective in the playoffs. Obviously I lack context as I'm not omniscient but there must be something to it. Tkachuk has many years ahead to prove he's not a choker like Huberdeau. That's just my take, take it or leave it, I'm not saying I'm right, nobody knows all of the truth nor the future.

... Or maybe Matthew holds from Keith and is actually not a good playoff performer despite, like, having all the traditionnal tools that screams "playoff warrior"?

 

[StCaufield]

It was all Dubois talk but thanks to Treliving we can add Huberdeau to the mix.

Who would you rather get hypothetically?

How about we get the best player available. Huber is ten times the player PLD will ever be so I’m not sure why there’s even a poll. I’ll take Suzuki over either of them especially with the price tags on PLD and Huberdeau.

 

[ottawa]

Huberdeau will be 30 in FA and doesn't fit the timeline of the team while Dubois is still improving

There's no cutoff age, if Huberdeau wants to come to MTL then I fully expect HuGo to roll out the red carpet for him. I'll go help them roll it out too.

 

[FF de Mars]

... Or maybe Matthew holds from Keith and is actually not a good playoff performer?

I think Mathews is the second best player in the league; also, the Leafs will end up winning in the playoffs. Just look at Tampa, it took them years to reach the level they're at. Don't let your passions overtake your logic. I know we're Habs fans and we're supposed to hate the Leafs, but there's a reason Slafkovsky's favourite player is Matthews. Hence you can compare both, I think it's right to do so.

 

[CHwest]

I sure hope so! Someone in another thread had a nice projection: Habs will be around 0.400 vs Eastern teams and 0.500 vs Western ones. It would total for 72 points which is around 3 worst t 5/6th worst depending on the year.

I think 4th last is realistic which would give us a shot at one of Bedard/Michkov/Fantili/Dvorski/Yager/Carlsson

Habs will not be .400 vs eastern teams. We will be the kid that gets passed around and punched. Doubt we will be .500 against the west either.

 

[Ezpz]

Apparently Weegar is Rivet's nephew. A top pairing RD might be a bigger need.

 

[MXD]

I think Mathews is the second best player in the league; also, the Leafs will end up winning in the playoffs. Just look at Tampa, it took them years to reach the level they're at. Don't let your passions overtake your logic. I know we're Habs fans and we're supposed to hate the Leafs, but there's a reason Slafkovsky's favourite player is Matthews. Hence you can compare both, I think it's right to do so.

...Matthew Tkachuk, not Auston Matthews...

It seems to me like you're trying to parody a bad poster.

 

[FF de Mars]

...Matthew Tkachuk, not Auston Matthews...

It seems to me like you're trying to parody a bad poster.

Oh! Sorry, I was so busy I read too fast. You're saying he holds from his father. He's younger than Huberdeau, that's why I give him a pass, but it's hard to tell. I was thinking about it, you could point out my argument is weak because I give age too much importance. It's just that Huberdeau has a larger sample than Tkachuk, who can still rely on excuses at this point. But I'd like to ask you, what makes Matthew and Keith comparables? They're both different persons. You'd have to build a stronger argument because it's a bit superficial to say so like that on the side. I'll let you work on that.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Ultimately it depends on their contract asks. I think getting a younger Dubois for a cheaper price will be better but if Huberdeau is willing to take a discount, he'd be a great option

 

[Heffyhoof]

Considering both as free agents, PLD 10/10. Huberdeau is a special player, no doubt, but Florida traded him in large part to help extend their cup window. A team who's still rebuilding should be wary.

 

[No More Subban]

Neither unless our dream is to become the Leafs with an overloaded forward group and a shitty D and even shittier G. Focus needs to be picking Top 5 next 2 years, clearing cap space and getting a legitimate PMD not PLD

Agreed 1000%

We still need our Makar/Hedman.

We focus too much on centers. Suzuki/Dach/Dvorak + a legit top 3 dmen would make the team more respectable.

 

[Tyson]

Huberdeau and his 115 points did absolutely nothing to help the Panthers in the playoffs.

1 goal in 10 playoff games.

 

[V13]

I think Cgy is going for the Cup

The PGA Cup maybe. Huberdeau doesn't seem to be very happy to have been traded there and may GTFO via trade or UFA sooner or later and they just lost two bonafide 100pts players in Gaudreau in Tkachuk (remains to be seen of Tkachuk can pull this of constantly though). Weegar is good but.....

If Huberdeau doesn't want to stay in CGY chances are that they are heading toward a retool or rebuild in the very near future. They have some good young players but they'll need more if they intend to contend imho

 

[salbutera]

My takeaway from PLD presser - Chevaldayoff’s mandate to PLD:

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Huberdeau will be better at 36-37 than Dubois will ever be, so Huberdeau.

 

[_habsfan9]

Ryan O Reilly

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Barron and Dach have much higher potential than Romanov and Lehkonen going forward.

I don’t think that is true. Dach might, but Barron doesn’t have higher end potential than Romanov imo.