Huberdeau or Dubois

[Harry Kakalovich]

I don't see why Jesper Bratt isn't an option on the poll. 23 y/o RFA F who NJ might trade and was a PPG player last year.

Also there are some UFAs missing from the poll for next year like Toews and Kane. Dylan Larkin. ROR. Timo Meier. There are a bunch.

 

[Yanny]

Dubois due to being 5 years younger. I would only give Huberdeau 4 years, and I doubt he accepts that.

I checked and at Dubois' age, Huberdeau had the same career ppg as Dubois has now.

Doubt dubois will be do 100+ pts in a year, lot of player do 60 pts at 24. The chance he hit huberdeau level is very low

 

[MoneyManny]

Whats the over/under on either of them leaving the team due to mental problems during our next cup run?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Whats the over/under on either of them leaving the team due to mental problems during our next cup run?

...careful...The Snowflake Patrol is always on duty...don't wanna offend anyone's Delicate Sensibilities...

 

[yianik]

I'm just wondering when Calgary pulls the trigger on Huberdeau or Weegar trades.

Either of these two are valuable for any team aiming for a Cup run and need of upgrading the positions these two play.

It's basically trade now or wait until the TDL when they are rentals, and so command less.

If I am Treliving I don't wait until after the season starts to see if these two fall in love with Calgary, I just don't think that happens that often. So for me it's offer them huge money for a long term , and I mean basically offer almost ti the maximum you are prepared to pay, and see if they take it. If it's no, then they are on the trade block, I don't wait until TDL unless the offers are crap.

 

[BaseballCoach]

We can't offer him 8, nor should we trade for his rights to get 8 years and lose assets.

If he comes here, it'll be as UFA and for 7 years.

7 years isn't so bad. He'll be 37 when it ends. Our compete window will start when he's 31.

If it's seven years, therefore more security, it should be noticeably less money. Forwards usually decline sometime after 30, faster than D or goalies.

If he trusts the Habs to want to look after a star local player who leads them to success, he"ll take a 4 year deal at more money. By the time he needs to renew, Price and Gallagher will be off the books for sure. We'll be able to afford him if he's still good.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

You know it's been a long off-season because people have started to believe the Habs were 1 piece away from being a good team last year...

That kind of memory loss takes time...

You'd have to kind of question the motivation of any player in the kind of situation either PLD or Hubs are in to actually want to come play in Montreal right now. Why would they want to do that? Aren't they interested in winning? I mean, I guess we'll see how the team looks this year, but if they are a basement dweller again it would seem that Montreal is years away from competing for a Stanley Cup.

 

[BozoTheClown]

I would rather have PK back for now, he’s a much bigger need for the next couple of years.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If I were in Hughes' shoes, and I knew Huberdeau is willing to sign for 4 years plus verbal commitment to renewals afterwards, I would shift my sattention to getting a guy like Dobson or Provorov now, and draft a center with our 2023 first (or trade it for a strong young 1C if possible).

I do think Huberdeau has a strong work ethic and could be a good captain or alternate captain. But I would not go that route if he insists on 7 or 8 expensive years.

I like Huberdeau as well, but he does have flaws as he is sub par defensively and didn't look very good in the playoffs this season. He is 29 and doesn't make a lot of sense with the rebuild. He is not the quickest player and his play could fall off a cliff relatively early.

In a bubble I take Huberdeau over Dubois fot the next three seasons but that isn't the case.

I am also pissed that he is in Calgary now because I have him as a keeper in my pool.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I would rather have PK back for now, he’s a much bigger need for the next couple of years.

...we need to start a Movement to get PK back...we might suck, but it'll be entertaining...

 

[MD thaivuN]

Hubs at double the price of Dubois is more valuable

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

You know it's been a long off-season because people have started to believe the Habs were 1 piece away from being a good team last year...

That kind of memory loss takes time...

You'd have to kind of question the motivation of any player in the kind of situation either PLD or Hubs are in to actually want to come play in Montreal right now. Why would they want to do that? Aren't they interested in winning? I mean, I guess we'll see how the team looks this year, but if they are a basement dweller again it would seem that Montreal is years away from competing for a Stanley Cup.

I think MSL is a major draw and teams can turn around rebuilds much faster in today's game with younger players playing much larger roles and parity with a hard cap. The Leafs did a very quick turnaround and Vegas were Cup finalists right out of the gate.

It is clear that Montreal will soon be a team on the rise and understandable why Dubois would want to play at home under MSL with a group of very talented prospects. He obviously had a huge falling out with Tortorella and Winnipeg is a hockey dinosaur haven where players can't wait to escape from.

I am not at all entirely excusing Dubois but some people need the right environment to succeed in. Hughes, as a former agent knows exactly what environment is conducive to attracting and retaining players and I don't think it is going unnoticed.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I think MSL is a major draw and teams can turn around rebuilds much faster in today's game with younger players playing much larger roles and parity with a hard cap. The Leafs did a very quick turnaround and Vegas were Cup finalists right out of the gate.

It is clear that Montreal will soon be a team on the rise and understandable why Dubois would want to play at home under MSL with a group of very talented prospects. He obviously had a huge falling out with Tortorella and Winnipeg is a hockey dinosaur haven where players can't wait to escape from.

I am not at all entirely excusing Dubois but some people need the right environment to succeed in. Hughes, as a former agent knows exactly what environment is conducive to attracting and retaining players and I don't think it is going unnoticed.

Montreal should be a team on the rise in maybe 2-3 years. The Leafs turn around was certainly not quick - it took years.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

...we need to start a Movement to get PK back...we might suck, but it'll be entertaining...

If we get P.K. back it will certainly improve our chances of sucking. I am not a P.K. fan but it would be fun with nothing to lose.

 

[BLONG7]

Was there a 8 year 88M offer from Calgary for MT? Thought I read this somewhere............man he really wanted out of Calgary and probably Canada....

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Montreal should be a team on the rise in maybe 2-3 years. The Leafs turn around was certainly not quick - it took years.

It took Toronto exactly two seasons to rebuild into a playoff team. Prior to that they were trying to win and just sucked. Carlyle was fired in 2015 with them in a playoff spot because they hit a slump and Shanahan was trying to jolt the team in order to stay in the race......Hordichuk came in and the slide continued all the way to the bottom. I live just outside of Toronto so I know the events that led to their demise at the time.

They brought in Lomoriello, Babcock, Dubas and Hunter after the 2015 season and began the teardown. They were very open about their intentions and Babcock wanted to coach a team that he had a say in building. The following season they drafted Marner and the season after that they drafted Mathews and made the playoffs in the spring of 2017.

They went from dead last to a playoff team in two years......that is quick and we are in a similar situation, almost identical if we get Bedard.

 

[CHfan1]

...the max a Huberdeau contract should come in at is 5 years, taking him up to 35 years old...and dollars under $9 and hopefully closer to $8 if he'll do it...and it's still a BIG if...

I’d be very surprised if Huberdeau isn’t looking for a max term deal for his last big contract. If he has another good season I could see him getting a similar deal to what Gaudreau just got - 7 year, $9.8 AAV.

 

[Ezpz]

I don't think Huberdeau clears 100 again in his career and is a year from 30. A 7 year deal would have a good chance of going south but I'd still take him. Dubois is cheaper and probably is good for a 7 or 8 year deal.

 

[DAChampion]

I don't think Huberdeau clears 100 again in his career and is a year from 30. A 7 year deal would have a good chance of going south but I'd still take him. Dubois is cheaper and probably is good for a 7 or 8 year deal.

It's not as though Huberdeau's 100 point season is his first time being elite. He's exceeded ppg for several years now.

 

[Ezpz]

It's not as though Huberdeau's 100 point season is his first time being elite. He's exceeded ppg for several years now.

That's true but most players fall off offensively in their early to mid 30s. Does his defensive game at least pass a respectable level that he can contribute to a cup winner as his offense falls off?

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

It took Toronto exactly two seasons to rebuild into a playoff team. Prior to that they were trying to win and just sucked. Carlyle was fired in 2015 with them in a playoff spot because they hit a slump and Shanahan was trying to jolt the team in order to stay in the race......Hordichuk came in and the slide continued all the way to the bottom. I live just outside of Toronto so I know the events that led to their demise at the time.

They brought in Lomoriello, Babcock, Dubas and Hunter after the 2015 season and began the teardown. They were very open about their intentions and Babcock wanted to coach a team that he had a say in building. The following season they drafted Marner and the season after that they drafted Mathews and made the playoffs in the spring of 2017.

They went from dead last to a playoff team in two years......that is quick and we are in a similar situation, almost identical if we get Bedard.

The Toronto Maple Leafs were bad from 2007-08 until 2016-17. They drafted Kadri in 2009, Rielly in 2012, Nylander in 2014, Marner in 2015, and Matthews in 2016. I'm sure there are others, but those are some of their biggest pieces. I like the Toronto rebuild, but it was not quick.

 

[NobleSix]

Dubois. Not even close for me. Center, younger, cheaper.

Huberdeau's best years will be behind him by the time we're seriouse about contending. Don't need a Tavares situation for our rebuild.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I’d be very surprised if Huberdeau isn’t looking for a max term deal for his last big contract. If he has another good season I could see him getting a similar deal to what Gaudreau just got - 7 year, $9.8 AAV.

I'm betting on his points total going down at least 10-20%.

He won't have a Barkov helping out.

Not sure it'll change his expected salary much.

 

[1909]

Dubois: younger, cheaper, more physical. An can play at C or LW

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I’d be very surprised if Huberdeau isn’t looking for a max term deal for his last big contract. If he has another good season I could see him getting a similar deal to what Gaudreau just got - 7 year, $9.8 AAV.

...then he's too rich for our blood...rebuild...