Hrricanes Lounge XLVII: The return to obeying Rhules

[Borsig]

I imagine this is where the belief is coming from. Expedited Removals (created in 1996) bypasses some of the due process protections of non-citizens in the deportation process for the first 2 years they're in the country.

• DHS v. Thuraissigiam (2020): The Supreme Court upheld the statute limiting judicial review of expedited removal orders, finding it did not violate the Suspension Clause or the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause, as aliens seeking initial entry have limited due process protections.

The 'seeking initial entry' seems to be the differentiating factor. And 2 years is the window for expedited removals.

The problem is these people are here illegally. I dont think very many americans support people sneaking in successfully being some sort of safe card.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The problem is these people are here illegally. I dont think very many americans support people sneaking in successfully being some sort of safe card.

If they're here illegally, deport them back to their country. Paying another country, one they're not even from, to imprison for (potentially) indefinitely is in no way OK. Especially when US citizens are (apparently) next.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Without the affordable healthcare, housing and education

I love when people bring up Finland. You know, a country that was literally a member of the Axis.

I also love how political discussions ARE allowed here, as long as I don't weigh in, evidently.

 

[Ole Gil]

The problem is these people are here illegally. I dont think very many americans support people sneaking in successfully being some sort of safe card.

Yeah, that's a whole different discussion from whether or not they have the full rights to due process.

 

[Derailed75]

If they're here illegally, deport them back to their country. Paying another country, one they're not even from, to imprison for (potentially) indefinitely is in no way OK. Especially when US citizens are (apparently) next.

Let me know when they target US citizens maybe lay off the far left wing conspiracy sites.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Let me know when they target US citizens maybe lay off the far left wing conspiracy sites.

Okay. Yesterday, they deported 3 US citizens, one of which had cancer.

He's also come out and specifically said he wants to target US citizens

In fact, he'd love to do so

 

[Derailed75]

Okay. Yesterday, they deported 3 US citizens, one of which had cancer.

He's also come out and specifically said he wants to target US citizens

In fact, he'd love to do so

Bet we find out they aren't really US citizens like the guy from Maryland that we later learned is a gang member, entered the country illegally, and his wife put a restraining order on him.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Bet we find out they aren't really US citizens like the guy from Maryland that we later learned is a gang member, entered the country illegally, and his wife put a restraining order on him.

You think those 2, 4, and 7 year old children are gang members?

Also, did you really believe that shitty Photoshop to make it seem like the Maryland guy was a gang member? That's hilarious

You asked me to let you know when they're deporting US citizens, I provided you with examples of them doing so, and direct quotes from the guy himself saying they plan on doing so, and you swerve and strawman

 

[Unhinged Finn]

I love when people bring up Finland. You know, a country that was literally a member of the Axis.

I also love how political discussions ARE allowed here, as long as I don't weigh in, evidently.

I love it too, but I guess I love it for different reasons. What does WW2 have to with anything discussed? Last time I checked we are not member of the axis anymore.

We sucked at being a member axis since we didn't even have a fascist regime.

 

[Derailed75]

You think those 2, 4, and 7 year old children are gang members?

Also, did you really believe that shitty Photoshop to make it seem like the Maryland guy was a gang member? That's hilarious

You asked me to let you know when they're deporting US citizens, I provided you with examples of them doing so, and direct quotes from the guy himself saying they plan on doing so, and you swerve and strawman

Are we talking about the same guy, the one who's wife took out a restraining order on him who after the fact said she did it "just in case" he became abusive? Ok if you really feel they deported an American citizen that's not in a gang then OK I guess Trump is the Devil.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Actually, noncitizens have the right to due process. I don’t know why that belief is being spread (well, I DO know why), but it’s false.

They have the right to it, yes. But right now they aren't getting it

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Are we talking about the same guy, the one who's wife took out a restraining order on him who after the fact said she did it "just in case" he became abusive? Ok if you really feel they deported an American citizen that's not in a gang then OK I guess Trump is the Devil.

I don't need to "believe" anything. I can just look at the facts.

Here's where they said they deported that guy in error

Here's the 9-0 Supreme Court ruling that says the administration should facilitate his return

Here's the evidence that we're paying El Salvador to house these people, and thus have full control over whether or not they return

As far as the guy himself, he has no criminal records of any kind and the only accusation of being a gang member came because he was looking for work outside of a hardware store and was wearing a Chicago Bulls jersey, which was "indicative of Hispanic gang culture." The subsequent court case was dropped against him because there was no evidence "of any kind" he was a member of any gang.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Seriously? I'm a proponent of the ENTIRE document.

I just find it amusing that when I have always said, that I see people like this as a legit threat, and threaten to use the same force they would use against me, in kind, I am an extemeist. But now it's a an option.

As to the ATF - You do know that they will come to your home and demand items you bought that they once considered legal but changed their "judgement" on. Care to know how I know this? Apparently thread adapters from company X, get you a letter and a visit and a demand to "surrender" said item, under threat of "return with warrant for it" even when you have a dozen from 1's and form 4's.

It's just ironic the shit I've been saying for years is now in play for another issue and people are wondering the same things. Does having a warrant even make it OK? Has it ever, when a corrput judge can issue a warrant and "deal with the legalites in court?"

A right delayed is a right denied. A right trampled, is deprivation of rights under color of law, and is punishable up to and including the death penalty. But we were okay doing it to Japanese americans during ww2 because 6 assholes in black robes said so (Korematsu v. United States). The biggest tyrant in US history spawned an amendment on presidential terms, and died in office an asshole king, having signed into order and law, the single biggest violation of constitutional rights since 3/5 a man and slavery.

No one is coming to save you. Not the document, not the law, not 9 statist assholes in black robes.

Welcome to the team. You'll start on the 4th line.

Just remember, that NON citizens arent protected by said document. That's where I draw the line.

So after all of that — you agree that the current regime’s actions are unconstitutional?

 

[Negan4Coach]

I love it too, but I guess I love it for different reasons. What does WW2 have to with anything discussed? Last time I checked we are not member of the axis anymore.

We sucked at being a member axis since we didn't even have a fascist regime.

I don't need to "believe" anything. I can just look at the facts.

Here's where they said they deported that guy in error

Here's the 9-0 Supreme Court ruling that says the administration should facilitate his return

Here's the evidence that we're paying El Salvador to house these people, and thus have full control over whether or not they return

As far as the guy himself, he has no criminal records of any kind and the only accusation of being a gang member came because he was looking for work outside of a hardware store and was wearing a Chicago Bulls jersey, which was "indicative of Hispanic gang culture." The subsequent court case was dropped against him because there was no evidence "of any kind" he was a member of any gang.

Bro, its so great we can finally have this conversation on here bro. You know, as long as I don't weigh in on it, and then it gets all deleted bro

 

[Borsig]

I just want to say that Mannerheim was a bad ass, and the finns were some really interesting people in ww2.


Whats that book? Fire and ice?

 

[Ole Gil]

You think those 2, 4, and 7 year old children are gang members?

Also, did you really believe that shitty Photoshop to make it seem like the Maryland guy was a gang member? That's hilarious

You asked me to let you know when they're deporting US citizens, I provided you with examples of them doing so, and direct quotes from the guy himself saying they plan on doing so, and you swerve and strawman

Weren't the mothers being deported, and they elected to take the kids went with them? I don't think they lost their citizenship or right to be in the US.

And the Maryland guy wasn't a citizen. He just had protections from being deported back to specifically El Salvador, which were ignored.

I always wondered if there's some motivation to publish slightly misleading stories, that way it gets both sides riled up.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Weren't the mothers being deported, and they elected to take the kids went with them? I don't think they lost their citizenship or right to be in the US.

At least one of those kids had an American father who wanted the child to stay with him. An opportunity that was never given, because of the lack of due process in deporting the mother. It was literally "Bring your children with you or put them in foster care."

And the Maryland guy wasn't a citizen. He just had protections from being deported back to specifically El Salvador, which were ignored.

I never said he was a citizen. Just that there was no evidence of him being a gang member, and as you said, he was here in the US under a protective order by a judge.

I always wondered if there's some motivation to publish slightly misleading stories, that way it gets both sides riled up.

If you've paid any attention to the world news, Russia has been spreading propaganda and dissent across multiple countries for over decade now. It's crazy how many pies they have their fingers in. However, other countries are doing a better job of outing that Russian influence, while the US is lessening their protections against it.

 

[Ole Gil]

At least one of those kids had an American father who wanted the child to stay with him. An opportunity that was never given, because of the lack of due process in deporting the mother. It was literally "Bring your children with you or put them in foster care."

I never said he was a citizen. Just that there was no evidence of him being a gang member, and as you said, he was here in the US under a protective order by a judge.

If you've paid any attention to the world news, Russia has been spreading propaganda and dissent across multiple countries for over decade now. It's crazy how many pies they have their fingers in. However, other countries are doing a better job of outing that Russian influence, while the US is lessening their protections against it.

The father didn't want the kid to stay with him. He asked for the kid to stay with a relative which raises the likelihood of some untold details. And the immigration policy is that the parent being deported is asked if they would like to bring their kid with them. But they can also designate a person for the kid to stay with. I imagine the account we're getting is from a number of lawyers?

It's all very similar to the Nikishin "story". The headline of "Nikishin's agent furious, may demand trade!" and the reality of it being a complete non-event when the details came out are the same blueprint we see in a lot of reporting.

And the stupid thing, is that I think Trump's immigration policy is heavy handed. But the hyperbole has me arguing like I'm in favor of them, which I'm not for the most part.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

And the stupid thing, is that I think Trump's immigration policy is heavy handed. But the hyperbole has me arguing like I'm in favor of them, which I'm not for the most part.

See, that's the thing: I have no issues with deporting people who failed to do the basic things needed to gain citizenship. Or those who repeatedly break the law while a guest of this country.

This is on the White House lawn at the moment:

That woman who distributed Fentanyl? She was arrested, charged and deported back in 2020. They recently deported her again in 2025, because she was caught doing it again after sneaking back into the US. Absolutely, she should deported. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

But the issues right now are threefold:

1. We're not giving proper due process for the deportations that are happening, which inevitably leads to mistakes (as it has already) and catches innocent people in the crossfire. We have judges attempting to stop these deportations because they know the rule of law isn't being followed.
2. The administration is ignoring court orders, arresting judges and (literally just today) talked about arresting Supreme Court judges that go against the administration. That's literally straight out of Hitler's playbook.
3. If we do deport these people, we should deport them to their home country. That's not what's happening. We're sending these people to a foreign prison to serve as a workforce, and paying that country to imprison them. That's not deportation, that's human trafficking.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

And next up on MSNBC.........

Great rebuttal. If you’ve got an argument against reality, I’d love to hear it.

 

[cptjeff]

Great rebuttal. If you’ve got an argument against reality, I’d love to hear it.

 

[Ole Gil]

2. The administration is ignoring court orders, arresting judges and (literally just today) talked about arresting Supreme Court judges that go against the administration. That's literally straight out of Hitler's playbook.

The story:
"But let’s be clear about what this judge did: She obstructed federal law enforcement who were looking for an illegal alien in her courthouse. She showed that illegal alien the door to evade law enforcement officials. That is a clear-cut case of obstruction,” Leavitt replied.

“And so anyone who is breaking the law or obstructing federal law enforcement officials from doing their jobs is putting theirselvses at risk of being prosecuted, absolutely.”

They didn't talk about arresting supreme court judges. They were asked if they'd prosecute higher level judges if they committed crimes. And they said yes.

 

[To Be Determined]

The story:
"But let’s be clear about what this judge did: She obstructed federal law enforcement who were looking for an illegal alien in her courthouse. She showed that illegal alien the door to evade law enforcement officials. That is a clear-cut case of obstruction,” Leavitt replied.

“And so anyone who is breaking the law or obstructing federal law enforcement officials from doing their jobs is putting theirselvses at risk of being prosecuted, absolutely.”

They didn't talk about arresting supreme court judges. They were asked if they'd prosecute higher level judges if they committed crimes. And they said yes.

ignoring all the other talk around the situation, i find it pretty funny that the "door to evade law enforcement" led to a private hallway that exited directly into the main public hallway where the agents were. the guy walked past two agents, and an agent literally rode down with him in the same elevator. yet, he 'escaped' and had to be chased down on the street.

and we complain about burns' d...

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The story:
"But let’s be clear about what this judge did: She obstructed federal law enforcement who were looking for an illegal alien in her courthouse. She showed that illegal alien the door to evade law enforcement officials. That is a clear-cut case of obstruction,” Leavitt replied.

“And so anyone who is breaking the law or obstructing federal law enforcement officials from doing their jobs is putting theirselvses at risk of being prosecuted, absolutely.”

They didn't talk about arresting supreme court judges. They were asked if they'd prosecute higher level judges if they committed crimes. And they said yes.

"Obstructing federal law enforcement officials from doing their jobs" is a very vague statement that could very well used to arrest judges that rule against the administration.

This also ignores the fact that the administration is

firing immigration judges without reason or warning,

calling for the impeachment of judges that rule against them

Getting a Supreme Court Justice to discuss how dangerous it is to ignore court rulings

and definitely condemns *winkwink* harassing judges despite "a lot of these people are leftist, crazy judges that aren’t following the constitution"

Oh, and getting back to that deported 2-year-old: The mother was given a 2-minute phone call with the father to decide the fate of her children, and despite the administration claiming otherwise, the mother wanted her youngest child to stay with the father.