OT: Hrricanes Lounge XLVII: The return to obeying Rhules
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hangman005
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New Orleans gets snow and I get summer.... what bullshit.
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hangman005
Have I told you I miss Logan Thompson
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As scary as it is, AI is the future in all that is digital.
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I’d say that that’s a scary thought, as AI still has a long way to go to lead anything, but then…
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Also, if you didn’t notice yesterday, all Americans are now legally classified as “female.”
One of the EOs from yesterday stated that “male means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.” The problem is that all embryos begin with female sex organs, and don’t develop male sex organs until about six weeks into gestation. Thus, there’s no such thing as a male “at conception”.
Or, in other words, in an effort to deny the existence of trans or nonbinary Americans, they legally stated that half of Americans are females living as males.
Great job all around.
One of the EOs from yesterday stated that “male means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.” The problem is that all embryos begin with female sex organs, and don’t develop male sex organs until about six weeks into gestation. Thus, there’s no such thing as a male “at conception”.
Or, in other words, in an effort to deny the existence of trans or nonbinary Americans, they legally stated that half of Americans are females living as males.
Great job all around.
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CanesUltimate11
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So they had someone with enough of scientific background write up the EO to include that language but said person wasn't scientifically astute enough to recognize what it implied... that's talent and pretty on board for this administration.Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House
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Svechhammer
THIS is hockey?
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Would love to know how they are determining who is and is not a DEI hire, but combined with the elimination of EEO protections, its pretty clear what is going on.
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Would love to know how they are determining who is and is not a DEI hire, but combined with the elimination of EEO protections, its pretty clear what is going on.
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According to that EO, there never was a Bruce Jenner. They were always a female living as a male. This also means that we’ve never had a male president either. By making that EO, using that language, they have effectively wiped out the male population from America.
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You're giving those anti-science quacks too much credit. Conception is the moment the stork drops the kid off at the hospital for you
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I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually attempt to rewrite that language and somehow make abortion legal in the process.
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WreckingCrew
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But isn't the sex determined based on whether the sperm is carrying an X or Y chromosome? You're talking about gestation of sex organs, but the chromosomes which make the embryo male, female, or intersex are determined by the sperm that fertilizes the egg. It's still a whole dumb thing, and goes hand-in-hand with abortion and when a person is a "person", but I don't think the definition about sex is technically wrong? The biggest issue is that it completely excludes intersex people (different than trans)
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But they didn’t mention chromosomes. They specifically based it off what reproductive cells are produced at conception. Which I don’t believe any reproductive cells are produced at conception, so no one is any sex?
And I think they avoided mentioning chromosomes because there are various syndromes that cause different X or Y amounts in both sexes. Jacob’s syndrome produces an extra Y chromosome in males, Klinefelter syndrome produces an extra X chromosome in males, Turner’s syndrome removes an X from females, etc.
WreckingCrew
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Yea I specifically mentioned intersex being an issue (and just went back to edit mentioning that the chromosome issue would completely exclude them based on that definition). It just comes down to the confusion between defining sex vs gender and how they mix/mingle at times. There are so many biological, social, & genetic intricacies that either side trying to define something leaves holes that the "other side" will rip apart. Basing purely on "genetics" doesn't account those 2% of odd cases that don't align with anything, basing purely on "gender" ignores natural biological differences between sexes (which can be fatal if the wrong drug gets administered based on sex v gender). There's no good way to quantify sex as purely XY, but you also can't just say sex is the same as gender and is whatever you decide/pick...neither works as a broad definition.
EDIT: The key is trying to make the definition "at conception", because obviously "at birth" would be the BEST way to define male/female/intersex, BUT then that would hurt the "life begins at conception" abortion argument...can't have your cake and eat it to
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The functional sex of a person depends on whether or not they are expressing the SRY gene, which is predominately found on the Y-chromosome. That said, it has been known to be transferred (during chromosomal cross-over during the process of gamete formation) from the Y-chromosome to the X-chromosome. A person with two X-chromosomes, with one having a functional and expressed SRY gene can form viable testes.
The corollary is also true; a person with an X and Y chromosome pair that does not have a functional SRY gene would be indistinguishable from a female with two X-chromosomes as far as sex is concerned.
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Navin R Slavin
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It's the same nonsense playbook over and over. Try to go back to a time before science discovered new things and make "rules" enforcing the previous "reality". No different than the NC legislature making rules about how the ocean is allowed to move.
It's fair to say that there are some complicated issues here. "Gender affirming care" for children is a really challenging subject, for instance, with some real evidence that doctors are getting it wrong in a lot of cases.
But to just deny all the science about intersex individuals by legal fiat just won't work. It's never worked. Science is just learning about observable reality, and reality is what it is.
It's fair to say that there are some complicated issues here. "Gender affirming care" for children is a really challenging subject, for instance, with some real evidence that doctors are getting it wrong in a lot of cases.
But to just deny all the science about intersex individuals by legal fiat just won't work. It's never worked. Science is just learning about observable reality, and reality is what it is.
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Good that the only politically interesting bottom for my lot is the Baltic Sea bottom where some infrastructure of importance has been trolled broken by the anchors of various curious passing ships, perfectly accidentally.
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