How Would Team Ontario Do V The World?

[snipes]

The world as in you can just pick players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Barkov, Malkin, Kane, etc.?

I'll take the world, especially in net.

I think the hypothetical is if they were their own nation in a best-on-best against other nations.

 

[snipes]

It comes down to population.

More NHL players come from the Toronto region that most provinces, or even countries. But that's going to happen when you have 12 million Canadians (golden horseshoe) within 100 kms.

Exactly.

It results in so many teams within a close geographical area. This allows for more competition, games, etc. Benefit of a densely populated area.

The difficulty in Western Canada is to get that same level of competition, the elite kids need to travel an insane amount.

I mean a top team coming from Regina to Calgary is a 7 hour bus ride or so. In Ontario, the Marlboros playing Don Mills are what 20 mins apart?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Ontario Vs Quebec - big advantage to Ontario imo! Would love to see a Province vs Province

Huberdeau/Bergeron/Giroux
Drouin/Dubois/Mantha
Marchesseault/Stastny/Perron
Perreault/Danault/Gourde

Chabot/Letang
Vlasic/Demers
Girard/Savard

Fleury
Luongo

His family may be French-Canadian, but he was born and raised in Hearst, Ontario and then moved to Ottawa. So, even bigger advantage to the Ontario squad.

 

[joe dirte]

Exactly.

It results in so many teams within a close geographical area. This allows for more competition, games, etc. Benefit of a densely populated area.

The difficulty in Western Canada is to get that same level of competition, the elite kids need to travel an insane amount.

I mean a top team coming from Regina to Calgary is a 7 hour bus ride or so. In Ontario, the Marlboros playing Don Mills are what 20 mins apart?

I don't even know what arenas these teams all play out of. But there are maybe 10 or 12 teams producing some of Canada's best young talent within a half hour drive - Marlboros, Don Mills Flyers, Toronto Titans, Mississauga Senators, Vaughn Kings, North York Rangers, Toronto Red Wings, Toronto Young Nats, Mississauga Rebels, Mississauga Reps, Mississauga Jr Canadiens, Markham Majors.

All of these teams produce CHL level talent. And many of them also will play for more than 1 team as they move up.

The Red Wings and the Nats were the best out there when I was a teen. The Red Wings had a trio one year that scored literally hundreds of goals. Adam Coliagacomo, Shane Nash (maybe... going by memory here), and I don't remember the third. Tkachuk's nephew or something like that. In 60 games, they had something like 300 goals between then. None of them stuck in the NHL though.

 

[snipes]

I don't even know what arenas these teams all play out of. But there are maybe 10 or 12 teams producing some of Canada's best young talent within a half hour drive - Marlboros, Don Mills Flyers, Toronto Titans, Mississauga Senators, Vaughn Kings, North York Rangers, Toronto Red Wings, Toronto Young Nats, Mississauga Rebels, Mississauga Reps, Mississauga Jr Canadiens, Markham Majors.

All of these teams produce CHL level talent. And many of them also will play for more than 1 team as they move up.

That’s the biggest benefit of the population size, the GTHL is the best minor hockey league in the world.

To match that out West, we need 4 Provinces competing across the prairies and BC.

In Western Canada, the past 5-10 years, top level pre-Major Junior hockey is played in expensive hockey academies. The travel and expenses for private schools are insane for parents. It’s a major shift that isn’t happening in the East, but out West these academies essentially mirror the GTHL in terms of competition.

 

[Anisimovs AK]

They'd hold their own against team world but in a 7 game series I don't see them winning, especially with that goaltending.

Who would replace Rielly? Muzzin, Ellis, Ekblad, Fowler, Hamilton?

Fowler plays for USA so he wouldnt be available

 

[joe dirte]

That’s the biggest benefit of the population size, the GTHL is the best minor hockey league in the world.

To match that out West, we need 4 Provinces competing across the prairies and BC.

In Western Canada, the past 5-10 years, top level pre-Major Junior hockey is played in expensive hockey academies. The travel and expenses for private schools are insane for parents. It’s a major shift that isn’t happening in the East, but out West these academies essentially mirror the GTHL in terms of competition.

My next door neighbour is in his rookie season in the OHL (in the top 5 of the OHL draft), it's been interesting to see everything going on. You get all the stories of what's happening from the parents, updates on how he's doing. But yeah, he knows all the other top kids, and on occasion (like the U17s for example), ends up playing WITH them, although he's been playing against them most of his life, and knows them all reasonably well.

 

[Jets]

They'd hold their own against team world but in a 7 game series I don't see them winning, especially with that goaltending.

Who would replace Rielly? Muzzin, Ellis, Ekblad, Fowler, Hamilton?

I love how Muzzin was a good #3 on LA but as soon as he's on the Leafs there's threads and polls and comments putting him in the class with other bonafide top pair defencemen like he's a comparable.

 

[POVERTY]

I love how Muzzin was a good #3 on LA but as soon as he's on the Leafs there's threads and polls and comments putting him in the class with other bonafide top pair defencemen like he's a comparable.

Very sensitive there. You do realize I'm just listing off other D-men from Ontario, correct?

Appropriate username too given the reaction lol

 

[innitfam]

No Giroux on team Ontario?

They wouldn't be unbeatable by any stretch if that's what you're getting at. They'd easily lose vs a team made from players in ROC+USA+World, and it'd be 50/50 vs teams like USA/Russia/Sweden

 

[joe dirte]

I love how Muzzin was a good #3 on LA but as soon as he's on the Leafs there's threads and polls and comments putting him in the class with other bonafide top pair defencemen like he's a comparable.

I love how Muzzin spent most of his time in LA playing with Doughty, and only played second pairing in recent years so they have another dman, is second in points this season, second in ice time, has probably been LA's best dman this season (as Doughty is not playing very well), but is somehow, according to you, a number 3 all of a sudden.

He's a solid top pairing Dman. Not one you anchor an entire team around, but you're out to lunch if you don't think he's a top pairing Dman.

 

[joe dirte]

No Giroux on team Ontario?

They wouldn't be unbeatable by any stretch if that's what you're getting at. They'd easily lose vs a team made from players in ROC+USA+World, and it'd be 50/50 vs teams like USA/Russia/Sweden

There are no countries that are "unbeatable", let alone provinces, anymore. So that really goes without saying.

 

[Jets]

Very sensitive there. You do realize I'm just listing off other D-men from Ontario, correct?

Appropriate username too given the reaction lol

Cause Muzzin should be listed with those guys but Brodie, Tanev, Montour De Haan are all 2nd pairing D from Ontario that weren't listed too...

The agenda on the main boards is just too great sometimes. Not worth arguing. I'm out. Good luck

 

[innitfam]

There are no countries that are "unbeatable", let alone provinces, anymore. So that really goes without saying.

Does it? The threads always give off an aura of "tell me how amazing a team Ontario would be"

 

[joe dirte]

Does it? The threads always give off an aura of "tell me how amazing a team Ontario would be"

I didn't really get that aura.

But whatever, it's been said (if you thought it needed to), no, they're not unbeatable. I think we all know that.

 

[boredmale]

As somebody from Thunder Bay my picks for goalies would be Murray, Hutton and Blackwood

 

[joe dirte]

Cause Muzzin should be listed with those guys but Brodie, Tanev, Montour De Haan are all 2nd pairing D from Ontario that weren't listed too...

The agenda on the main boards is just too great sometimes. Not worth arguing. I'm out. Good luck

If you honestly had your choice between any one of these guys, and Muzzin, would you choose one of these guys?

Goodness.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I was going to try and extol the virtues of a Team Alberta (how does a top line of Taylor Hall, Brayden Point and William Nylander sound?), but I realized they'd get killed in goal. About the best name I could come up with there is Aaron Dell.

Hart at least gives Alberta a future chance in goal.

 

[POVERTY]

Cause Muzzin should be listed with those guys but Brodie, Tanev, Montour De Haan are all 2nd pairing D from Ontario that weren't listed too...

The agenda on the main boards is just too great sometimes. Not worth arguing. I'm out. Good luck

Jeeze. Good luck indeed.

 

[abo9]

Ontario Vs Quebec - big advantage to Ontario imo! Would love to see a Province vs Province

Huberdeau/Bergeron/Giroux
Drouin/Dubois/Mantha
Marchesseault/Stastny/Perron
Perreault/Danault/Gourde

Chabot/Letang
Vlasic/Demers
Girard/Savard

Fleury
Luongo

I am from Quebec and that is a pretty sad state... I remember around 10 years ago me and my friends argued that Quebec could have a competitive team in the Olympics, and Quebec had all the best goalies in the league (Remember the Brodeur - Fleury - Luongo tandem in 2010?)!

And unfortunately the youth does not seem to be there like Ontario, Finland and the US (and maybe more provinces/countries?)

 

[MetM]

Ontario Vs Quebec - big advantage to Ontario imo! Would love to see a Province vs Province

Huberdeau/Bergeron/Giroux
Drouin/Dubois/Mantha
Marchesseault/Stastny/Perron
Perreault/Danault/Gourde

Chabot/Letang
Vlasic/Demers
Girard/Savard

Fleury
Luongo

Giroux is from Ontario I think

 

[abo9]

Wait, he was born in Hearst, wasn't he? Not Quebec. He would be (and should be) on Team Ontario.

the only part of his life that he lived in Quebec was the 3 years he was in the Q. That's all.

I was curious about that since on the surface one might think Giroux chose the Q because he identified more with Quebec than Ontario (and I certainly thought so, French language and everything). Turns out no OHL team gave him a chance and Gatineau did, so he played there.

Interview with Gatineau Olympiques forward Claude Giroux – QMJHL

 

[boredmale]

Giroux is from Ontario I think

Yes Hearst, which might as well be part of Quebec if you ever been there

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I am from Quebec and that is a pretty sad state... I remember around 10 years ago me and my friends argued that Quebec could have a competitive team in the Olympics, and Quebec had all the best goalies in the league (Remember the Brodeur - Fleury - Luongo tandem in 2010?)!

And unfortunately the youth does not seem to be there like Ontario, Finland and the US (and maybe more provinces/countries?)

Definitely, but dont forget that Ontario as almost twice our population and the biggest city in Canada

 

[joe dirte]

I was curious about that since on the surface one might think Giroux chose the Q because he identified more with Quebec than Ontario (and I certainly thought so, French language and everything). Turns out no OHL team gave him a chance and Gatineau did, so he played there.

Interview with Gatineau Olympiques forward Claude Giroux – QMJHL

bizarre isn't it. He then went on to score 100 points in his rookie Q season...

anyway, I take this as where they were born, not where they identify with (which I suspect it would still be Ontario).