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[Bandit]

New Yorks' Wall Street and Californias' Tech & Hollywood scene, who are one of the wealthiest in the US are not his biggest his Supporters. But lots of farmers, vets, cops, small businesses owners ect are. I'll leave it at that.

What can I say? People are stupid.

 

[KINGS17]

Garcetti urges furloughs for city employees to help L.A. fend off ‘attack’ from coronavirus – Daily News

In an unprecedented State of the City address on Sunday, April, 19, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti outlined a plan under which employees of the pandemic-beleaguered city would get the equivalent of a 10% pay cut in the coming fiscal year.

I was beginning to wonder if the public employee sector was going to ever share the pain that is being inflicted on the private sector by the virus. There are plenty of government facilities and employees which are non-essential. Ten percent seems a little low, but at least it is a start.

 

[KINGS17]

What can I say? People are stupid.


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Some people were wealthy before they entered politics. Others are wealthy because they entered politics.

 

[KingsofLA]

What can I say? People are stupid.

Hillary had the same idea

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Garcetti urges furloughs for city employees to help L.A. fend off ‘attack’ from coronavirus – Daily News

In an unprecedented State of the City address on Sunday, April, 19, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti outlined a plan under which employees of the pandemic-beleaguered city would get the equivalent of a 10% pay cut in the coming fiscal year.

I was beginning to wonder if the public employee sector was going to ever share the pain that is being inflicted on the private sector by the virus. There are plenty of government facilities and employees which are non-essential. Ten percent seems a little low, but at least it is a start.

That's probably a whole lot of money given how many employees there are--but frankly I'm making a total assumption, can't read the article right this minute

 

[Bandit]

Some people were wealthy before they entered politics. Others are wealthy because they entered politics.

Don’t kid yourself, they are all rich when they enter and even more so when they leave. Some of them just rip people off and file for more bankruptcies than others along the way. None of these people can relate to you. The ones that can don’t win.

Hillary had the same idea

Not sure why Hillary’s name continues to pop up years later. She’s not president, never was, never will be. Other people we are also not discussing (Not an exhaustive list):

Ronald Reagan
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Dean
Farmer John
The Easter Bunny

 

[KingsofLA]

Not sure why Hillary’s name continues to pop up years later. She’s not president, never was, never will be. Other people we are also not discussing (Not an exhaustive list):

Ronald Reagan
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Dean
Farmer John
The Easter Bunny

She like you, thought the same thing.

 

[KINGS17]

That's probably a whole lot of money given how many employees there are--but frankly I'm making a total assumption, can't read the article right this minute

Salaries accounted for almost $3.9 billion of the 2019-20 budget. A 10% reduction would result in savings of $390 million, and I bet we wouldn't notice the difference.

You can find the salary figures on page 26. Police and fire will not be affected by the cuts, and they are the largest expenditures in terms of salaries.

http://cao.lacity.org/budget19-20/2019-20Budget_Summary.pdf

 

[jfont]

If you're self medicating for a disease you may not even have then you deserve death. I have an incurable form of stage 4 brain caner. My doctor has me sign forms that I barely read and I really have no idea what I'm having done but that's the reality of my disease. I've been told to smoke weed, eat vegetables, take CBD-all by people who don't have or who have never had cancer. Everybody is an expert when they're healthy. When you're facing death your mentality changes, when doctors come at you with experimental treatments it's like sure let's do it. I have 3 roads to go down-certain death, being the first person in the history of the world to beat this cancer by sheer luck or sign the forms and let the experiments begin.

Holy shit!
I am so sorry to hear

 

[takk]

Broke my heart. As fellow posters, pulling for you Tikkanen.

 

[Santeh]

Don’t kid yourself, they are all rich when they enter and even more so when they leave. Some of them just rip people off and file for more bankruptcies than others along the way. None of these people can relate to you. The ones that can don’t win.

Perhaps on the national scale as I dont know any politicians, but I don't agree on the local level. I know of people that enter on the sole grounds of wanting to help people (and yes some of them are rich).

 

[RocketKing]

If you're self medicating for a disease you may not even have then you deserve death. I have an incurable form of stage 4 brain caner. My doctor has me sign forms that I barely read and I really have no idea what I'm having done but that's the reality of my disease. I've been told to smoke weed, eat vegetables, take CBD-all by people who don't have or who have never had cancer. Everybody is an expert when they're healthy. When you're facing death your mentality changes, when doctors come at you with experimental treatments it's like sure let's do it. I have 3 roads to go down-certain death, being the first person in the history of the world to beat this cancer by sheer luck or sign the forms and let the experiments begin.

So very sorry to hear that. I’m pulling for you brother.

 

[KINGS17]

Massive layoffs and pay cuts are likely coming to state and local governments as federal aid goes elsewhere

State and local governments are warning of a wave of layoffs and pay cuts after getting left out of the federal coronavirus relief package expected to pass Congress this week.
In many places, those painful reductions are already taking shape:

• Los Angeles plans to force city workers to spend 26 days on unpaid leave as revenues are forecast to drop as much as $600 million next fiscal year.
• Detroit has proposed laying off 200 workers and furloughing thousands more.
• In Ohio’s Hamilton County, Commissioner Denise Driehaus is taking a 10% pay cut alongside county workers.

Quite a bit of money being spent on generous public employee pensions as well as salaries. I hope none of this bail out money is going to those. I bet the get back to work sentiment increases dramatically if state and local government employees start sharing in the economic pain.

Maybe the U.S. Congress should work the rest of the year without pay. What is required for a quorum? Perhaps we should furlough members of Congress in percentages equal to the number of Republicans and Democrats in the two chambers until all that is left is a quorum. All members of their staff could be furloughed as well. I wonder how fast the bureaucrats would find a solution to testing and quarantining those who are sick or most at risk, if government employees no longer have jobs.

 

[KINGS17]

Antibody study suggests more people in LA County infected with coronavirus than estimated

Researchers and public health officials conducted drive-thru antibody testing from April 10-11 at six locations. The results from the first round of testing, released Monday, showed approximately 4.1 percent of the county’s adult population has an antibody to the virus. Antibodies are a protein in the blood produced in response to a specific pathogen like the coronavirus.

When taking the statistical margin of error into account, about 2.8 percent to 5.6 percent of the county’s adult population is projected to have an antibody to the coronavirus. These percentages translate to about 221,000 to 442,000 adults in L.A. County who have been infected.

That estimate is about 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study. As of Monday, L.A. County had 13,816 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.

“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” lead researcher Neeraj Sood said in a statement. Sood is also professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

“The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies,” Sood added.

Let's hope the public health strategies will receive new consideration. The models have been flawed from Day 1. Some of the flaws are due to a lack of truthful data from China. COVID-19 clearly does not have the morbidity rate the models were/are suggesting.

 

[RocketKing]

French Dr Raolt responds to American study claiming HCQ doesn’t work.

Renowned French Dr. Didier Raoult issued a response to biases in the study critical of hydroxychloroquine | Tech News | Startups News

You can read it for yourselves but here is one of the examples of the biases from that study.

The first is that lymphopenia is twice as common in the HCQ groups (25% in the HCQ, 31% in the HCQ+AZ group versus 14% in the no HCQ group, p =.02) and there is an absolute correlation between lymphopenia (<0.5G/L) and fatality rate.

The study was unbelievably biased.

Are people so twisted up with political anger that they’d prefer to die by not taking this if they were sick? If so, this goes to a level of hysteria that clouds their decision making like nothing i’ve ever seen before.

HCQ is helping when given with azithromycin and zinc. But only when administered early and is the Primary Course of Treatment in NYC and other Hospitals.

Hey if you want to kill yourself, I guess that’s sad but that’s up to you. But if it were me and Hillary made the Barack Obama Homeopathic Cure that people were using and it was working, damn i’d be first in line to get it. But that’s just me I guess.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

French Dr Raolt responds to American study claiming HCQ doesn’t work.

Renowned French Dr. Didier Raoult issued a response to biases in the study critical of hydroxychloroquine | Tech News | Startups News

You can read it for yourselves but here is one of the examples of the biases from that study.

The first is that lymphopenia is twice as common in the HCQ groups (25% in the HCQ, 31% in the HCQ+AZ group versus 14% in the no HCQ group, p =.02) and there is an absolute correlation between lymphopenia (<0.5G/L) and fatality rate.

The study was unbelievably biased.

Are people so twisted up with political anger that they’d prefer to die by not taking this if they were sick? If so, this goes to a level of hysteria that clouds their decision making like nothing i’ve ever seen before.

HCQ is helping when given with azithromycin and zinc. But only when administered early and is the Primary Course of Treatment in NYC and other Hospitals.

Hey if you want to kill yourself, I guess that’s sad but that’s up to you. But if it were me and Hillary made the Barack Obama Homeopathic Cure that people were using and it was working, damn i’d be first in line to get it. But that’s just me I guess.

This is the one we were talking about yesterday and calling it a 'study' is more than generous. It's literally an outcomes analysis, not a controlled experiment/lab test. I don't know why anyone is making this more than it is, especially when their ultimate conclusion is "These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs."

Basically what's happening is a lot of treatment centers are keeping track of their HCQ results and reporting them, and in this case, it was a pretty messed up group of older VA folks and they didn't find anything to work properly. That seems like a common-sense outcome to me given the group, but then again you'd have to read it to know that, and again as we discussed yesterday, most people don't. Others have found differently. Many are using it as part of their ongoing treatments anyway, but all reach the exact same conclusion as above. There should be no political anger about it unless one walks in with it. Science doesn't give a shit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Antibody study suggests more people in LA County infected with coronavirus than estimated

Researchers and public health officials conducted drive-thru antibody testing from April 10-11 at six locations. The results from the first round of testing, released Monday, showed approximately 4.1 percent of the county’s adult population has an antibody to the virus. Antibodies are a protein in the blood produced in response to a specific pathogen like the coronavirus.

When taking the statistical margin of error into account, about 2.8 percent to 5.6 percent of the county’s adult population is projected to have an antibody to the coronavirus. These percentages translate to about 221,000 to 442,000 adults in L.A. County who have been infected.

That estimate is about 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study. As of Monday, L.A. County had 13,816 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.

“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” lead researcher Neeraj Sood said in a statement. Sood is also professor of public policy at the USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

“The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies,” Sood added.

Let's hope the public health strategies will receive new consideration. The models have been flawed from Day 1. Some of the flaws are due to a lack of truthful data from China. COVID-19 clearly does not have the morbidity rate the models were/are suggesting.

All of these puzzle pieces seem to be working together nicely now--LA study corroborates the Santa Clara county study which jives well with the 'earlier' date of arrival.

Now if we can get a widespread antibody testing going in full force and study those results we'll be in good shape. Still a lot to learn about the virus, especially treatment and how to control outbreaks--or even detect them given the above numbers, and why some areas are dealing with more lethality than others (NYC especially)--but the last few days have me feeling more optimistic than the last few weeks.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

U.S. is sitting on a looooong peak, I'm guesstimating because of the staggered regional infections. NY and CA got an early start, LA et. al. are now catching up. Might be a while before we 'catch' the UK and other smaller countries for a lot of reasons, but it's hopeful that the two largest population centers are tapering. Just have to hold on for like two more weeks imo and make some of the more blatantly risky states play ball.

 

[Bandit]

Are people so twisted up with political anger that they’d prefer to die by not taking this if they were sick? If so, this goes to a level of hysteria that clouds their decision making like nothing i’ve ever seen before.

...

Hey if you want to kill yourself, I guess that’s sad but that’s up to you. But if it were me and Hillary made the Barack Obama Homeopathic Cure that people were using and it was working, damn i’d be first in line to get it. But that’s just me I guess.

Not sure what you're going on about with this but I haven't seen a single person here even hint at the idea that they wouldn't take a potential treatment that was recommended to them by a medical professional.

 

[tny760]

U.S. is sitting on a looooong peak, I'm guesstimating because of the staggered regional infections. NY and CA got an early start, LA et. al. are now catching up. Might be a while before we 'catch' the UK and other smaller countries for a lot of reasons, but it's hopeful that the two largest population centers are tapering. Just have to hold on for like two more weeks imo and make some of the more blatantly risky states play ball.

and that chart minus NY/NJ cesspool doesn't probably look bad at all. i'd like to see a bit more about how skewed our numbers are thanks to that disgusting part of the country but it is what it is. would be incredibly surprised if newsom rushes this at all, i'm working under the assumption we're shut til mid-may bare minimum and expecting all of may

 

[King'sPawn]

French Dr Raolt responds to American study claiming HCQ doesn’t work.

Renowned French Dr. Didier Raoult issued a response to biases in the study critical of hydroxychloroquine | Tech News | Startups News

You can read it for yourselves but here is one of the examples of the biases from that study.

The first is that lymphopenia is twice as common in the HCQ groups (25% in the HCQ, 31% in the HCQ+AZ group versus 14% in the no HCQ group, p =.02) and there is an absolute correlation between lymphopenia (<0.5G/L) and fatality rate.

The study was unbelievably biased.

Are people so twisted up with political anger that they’d prefer to die by not taking this if they were sick? If so, this goes to a level of hysteria that clouds their decision making like nothing i’ve ever seen before.

HCQ is helping when given with azithromycin and zinc. But only when administered early and is the Primary Course of Treatment in NYC and other Hospitals.

Hey if you want to kill yourself, I guess that’s sad but that’s up to you. But if it were me and Hillary made the Barack Obama Homeopathic Cure that people were using and it was working, damn i’d be first in line to get it. But that’s just me I guess.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. Antibiotics attack bacteria. COVID is a virus. So, this sounds more like coincidence than correlation.

But I'll tell you what, if my doctor, who has my records and has examined me, and has the BEST idea of how dangerous HCQ and Azithromycin interact with me, I would trust my physician's judgment. Not yours. Not Trump's. Not (insert any political candidate who you might assume I side with). Not Bill Gates. Not my mother's.

Insinuating people are killing themselves by not listening to Trump is part of the problem.

 

[KINGS17]

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. Antibiotics attack bacteria. COVID is a virus. So, this sounds more like coincidence than correlation.

But I'll tell you what, if my doctor, who has my records and has examined me, and has the BEST idea of how dangerous HCQ and Azithromycin interact with me, I would trust my physician's judgment. Not yours. Not Trump's. Not (insert any political candidate who you might assume I side with). Not Bill Gates. Not my mother's.

Insinuating people are killing themselves by not listening to Trump is part of the problem.

I think the deal with Azithromycin is that it combats some of the secondary effects of the virus. People who contract COVID-19 are much more susceptible to bacterial infections which often cause pneumonia. Bacterial infections are a big issue with weakened immune systems, especially if you are hospitalized.

To be honest I don't think hydroxychloroquine directly kills the COVID-19 virus either. Many deaths are the result of the cytokine storm caused by the immune systems response to the virus. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-inflammatory which seems to be helping reduce the swelling of lung tissue.

There have been discussions to the effect that people aren't being killed by COVID-19, but by the reaction of their immune system, and subsequent bacterial infections. This is just my opinion, but it seems if your body's immune system is allowed to go at a "slow and steady" pace it will eventually kill the virus. This may explain why the elderly and those who have compromised immune systems have much higher risks. When you age, or have an autoimmune disorder, one of the effects is the immune system loses its ability to distinguishing between "invader" and "self", and your own immune system starts attacking healthy tissue.

One of the elements of the drug cocktail which probably does help your immune system fight the virus is zinc.

 

[HeadInjury]

Guy Benson is a conservative writer who wrote what appears to me to be a relatively neutral assessment (for a conservative political writer) of where we are in terms of hydroxychloriquine. He's stating we have to wait for the results of the clinical trials, but provides some interesting info. Worth a read.

The Weird, Politicized War Over Hydroxychloroquine

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

and that chart minus NY/NJ cesspool doesn't probably look bad at all. i'd like to see a bit more about how skewed our numbers are thanks to that disgusting part of the country but it is what it is. would be incredibly surprised if newsom rushes this at all, i'm working under the assumption we're shut til mid-may bare minimum and expecting all of may

I think the deal with Azithromycin is that it combats some of the secondary effects of the virus. People who contract COVID-19 are much more susceptible to bacterial infections which often cause pneumonia. Bacterial infections are a big issue with weakened immune systems, especially if you are hospitalized.

To be honest I don't think hydroxychloroquine directly kills the COVID-19 virus either. Many deaths are the result of the cytokine storm caused by the immune systems response to the virus. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-inflammatory which seems to be helping reduce the swelling of lung tissue.

There have been discussions to the effect that people aren't being killed by COVID-19, but by the reaction of their immune system, and subsequent bacterial infections. This is just my opinion, but it seems if your body's immune system is allowed to go at a "slow and steady" pace it will eventually kill the virus. This may explain why the elderly and those who have compromised immune systems have much higher risks. When you age, or have an autoimmune disorder, one of the effects is the immune system loses its ability to distinguishing between "invader" and "self", and your own immune system starts attacking healthy tissue.

"bending the curve" for the body

Anything that slows it down is good at this point. Part of the problem is that Hydroxychloroquine isn't being used until patients are in serious distress, at which time their odds go down--that's not helping these studies at all. Yet due to side effects, people don't want to treat with HCQ early, either. That's why I'm not real hopeful we'll find out much about the efficacy of this in a timely manner. The PLUS is that it's widely available, but we've gotta be careful too, as it's a main treatment for folks with lupus and autoimmune diseases, and they're getting their prescriptions cut down to 30 days from 90.

I'm more hopeful to see what comes of the remdesivir trials. And also, saw this yesterday, which was really interesting and a little more cutting edge: UofL breakthrough technology shows promise fighting novel coronavirus | UofL News

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Guy Benson is a conservative writer who wrote what appears to me to be a relatively neutral assessment (for a conservative political writer) of where we are in terms of hydroxychloriquine. He's stating we have to wait for the results of the clinical trials, but provides some interesting info. Worth a read.

The Weird, Politicized War Over Hydroxychloroquine

I think the occam's razor explanation is in the tweet near the bottom of that article: "As a layperson observer who’s watched this battle play out, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that it’s a mixed bag: Helpful for some, neutral for others, potentially dangerous for others susceptible to certain side effects."

That would jive with everything we know about the drug and its side effects as well as even the worst studies. "better than nothing for folks who are already struggling," you know?