Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[rojac]

Fans will love him even more when he signs a very reasonable extension. Not sure if it will be long-term or short-term, but it won't be a big number. He will take a discount56

The longer the deal the lower the AAV is likely to be. I'm not sure I see it going lower than 4-5M given the expected cap increases for the the next several years. That would be for 6 or 7 years. For 3 or 4 years, I would expect around 6-7M.

 

[Nineteen67]

They are a Cup contender this season in part because of Tavares.

I think they’re far too slow and still have big questions at the top end of the lineup, and D. Expecting guys to play with a skill they don’t have is concerning.

 

[Fogelhund]

I was on board to re-signing him at a much lower cap hit after this season, but I think the best solution for the Leafs would be to completely move on from JT. Way too slow for today’s NHL and he’s become a turnover machine.

He sucks, legit do not want him back, guys so slow and a complete non-factor in almost every game. I'd much rather give a younger guy a shot at 2C, unless he signs for like 3M and agrees to play in the bottom 6 only, let him walk after this.

Tavares isnt worth 7.5M his 2023-2024 season as a whole is around maybe 6M in value

He was worth 7.5M last year and 8M the year before

He is a grinder who doesnt produce much now

He has also been a poor playoff performer his whole career with the leafs and we will see if his decline carries onto their as well

Leafs would be a better team without Tavares next year. Unfortunately have the cap anchor one more year

Dubas liked skill and speed.Dubas signed Tavares? We must convince Tavares to retire and go upstairs. We can't pay a 3c that money, no one can.

Tavares decline because of his age and lack of speed is very pronounced and he is lucky who he plays with. You are looking at 49 pts next year of easily replaceable production. That contract is the difference. No team would pay that nor could they. He needs to retire.

For one season. There are many centers out there @ 5.5 or below (preferably a younger one) who can keep up and gel with Nylander. I would rather have Domi extended paired with a defensive LW than the slow footed overpaid JT moving forward.

He's clearly declining rapidly. Next year's going to be a scary year with that contract. He might be at the level Spezza was at, when Spezza played here.

But in game 2, he at least battles for everything. He does want it, he just can't at this point. He's getting easy to knock off the puck as well, which is concerning.

Maxi Domi was a notably better #2C when he got that opportunity.

Tavares is a liability at 3c , especially in the playoffs. Those wheels are heavy and a problem. Even at 4c.

This dude is straight dog ass.

Not even at 1M should he be a leaf after this year

He's not worth a league min.

He is like a league minimum guy now with some patches bonus framework to get him to 1.5m. That's all I see and I would rather close the book and send him off.

Wouldn't take for league minimum

He's basically at Spezza level when Spezza got here.

They better walk from him on July 1st unless he's taking the league minimum.

I’d put Domi ahead of JT in terms of on-ice impact, and Domi went for $3.75x5 as a UFA. Domi is a WAY better skater, more dynamic with the puck, makes more happen at even strength, I slightly prefer him on the PP too, and I think the 2 are a wash defensively.

I’d put McMann roughly on par with JT, and he went for $1.35x2 as a UFA, though that was definitely a steal.

Overall I think his fair market value is about $3 mil AAV, so he’s about $8 mil AAV overpaid IMO. I’d be cool with signing him to a short term deal at $3 mil AAV, but wouldn’t want to go long term at that cap, as he’s clearly declining. But if he’s getting ~$4-5 mil offers from other teams, and wants us to match, we should just walk, we can get better players for that price.

Tavares as a 4c, Id worry about that in the playoffs right now. He is the slowest skater in the league. I do not want Tavares for league minimum.

Fun thread. It's nice to see Tavares shooting % rebound this year. He's been an important part of the team, and hopefully he extends at a level that allows us to build... I've maintained that's $3.5-5 million, though as a UFA he'd get more.

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[Roo]

He’s definitely playing better than prior years. Likely a result of being in a contract year. Amazing how that always seems to happen.

 

[WillyC]

Outside of McD and Drai… Tavares is the best 2C in the NHL.

 

[thewave]

Fun thread. It's nice to see Tavares shooting % rebound this year. He's been an important part of the team, and hopefully he extends at a level that allows us to build... I've maintained that's $3.5-5 million, though as a UFA he'd get more.

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He was legit trash until he found the amulet. Look we got drones from the ocean flying around, weird crap in the skies, NFL quarterbacks admitting his wife is a witch and that's why he is winning. Cant tell men from women and now we got Amulets. I don't care if he is crushing cans on his head and blood doping with pig stem cells.

Winning is all that matters! And being able to tell women from men to avoid awkward moments. I am old man!

 

[Fogelhund]

He was legit trash until he found the amulet.

He wasn't. People were just triggered. We have a lot of posters like that.

 

[MSZ]

If we're strictly talking about his career average (11M is overpaid), last season he had a down year, the year before that he had 80 pts. If he hits 80 pts again as a 34 yrs old this should be considered a very good season for him.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think they’re far too slow and still have big questions at the top end of the lineup, and D. Expecting guys to play with a skill they don’t have is concerning.

If the Leafs aren't a Cup contender in your mind, then which teams are?

 

[thewave]

He wasn't. People were just triggered. We have a lot of posters like that.

He couldn't even skate for a time. Then last year he was a fader. Wasn't there reportedly some gene therapy being done? He was awfully slow and had no production for the first 10 games. Regardless SOME posters will want an extension with term.

It will be the wrong thing to do and our odds of pulling a cup in 3years are pretty slim as is.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Hopefully we can lock him up around the 9.5-10 mil mark.

 

[Fogelhund]

He couldn't even skate for a time. Then last year he was a fader. Wasn't there reportedly some gene therapy being done? He was awfully slow and had no production for the first 10 games. Regardless SOME posters will want an extension with term.

It will be the wrong thing to do and our odds of pulling a cup in 3years are pretty slim as is.

He should absolutely be extended. He is easily the best C available on the market this year, and letting him go, for Gourde, or Granlund would make the team worse. Plus, he'll be the only one who "might" consider a discount.

He had no production for the first 10 games? You mean, 11 points in 10 games was no production?