Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[Racer88]

lol, don’t worry the first two game pointless streak and the low brow goons will be back to projecting themselves onto Marner. Just watch.

You sound so excited I bet you can hardly wait for that to happen

 

[DarkKnight]

You sound so excited I bet you can hardly wait for that to happen

No that's what you're waiting for and you know it. Go bore someone else.

 

[Racer88]

No that's what you're waiting for and you know it. Go bore someone else.

Hahahahahaha. I’m not the one who jumps on every poster when they pick on your boy…….you are

 

[Menzinger]

I saw a report where they said John Tavares wants a short term contract anyways. Might have been Dave Pagnotta

I expect his next deal will take him to 40 years of age - similar to Tanev.

That said I think it will likely allow management to play around with the aav which will likely start with a 4 or 5 if the team offers about 6 years of term

 

[DarkKnight]

Hahahahahaha. I’m not the one who jumps on every poster when they pick on your boy…….you are

Man you're insecure.

 

[DarkKnight]

The smart play, is get Marner done first, because it will leave JT less room to negotiate. There is no way this guy wants to leave Toronto at this stage of his career, it isn’t unkind to squeeze him now. He had the leverage when he was in his prime, not it’s time for some return value the other way, or let him walk. He won’t.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The smart play is to let Marner walk, because it will show JT that the team is serious about winning and won't overpay.

 

[WillyC]

9 goals and 10 assists in 19 games played.

Last year on a 7 year deal… yeah, this thread title now sucks.

 

[AcerComputer]

Can't say he hasn't earned his contract. Guy looks rejuvenated since Matthews went down.

 

[meefer]

Best game of the season for JT, he was a beast.

 

[meefer]

A follow-up: with Hyman having a slow start to the season, is JT playing his way onto the Canadian team as a winger? FO protection as well, PP etc.

 

[banks]

9 goals and 10 assists in 19 games played.

Last year on a 7 year deal… yeah, this thread title now sucks.

Not as bad as the poll options. The least overpaid option is still %40 !?

HF Leafs has been slagging on this contract since day 1, just totally convinced that it would be some anchor by the last few years. Yet here he is scoring point-per-game so far in the final year.

Tavares has been great so far this season. Not just passable, not just getting points by being sheltered, not just a PP merchant, not just leeching off linemates. He's been great! Tavares wins faceoffs, forechecks, puts in constant effort, leads off-the-ice, scores big goals, plays in the hard areas, dishes with vision, and bleeds Maple Leaf Blue. Tavares is great.

 

[Bomber0104]

Guy's playing himself out of getting a Spezza deal.

Good I guess for us

 

[thewave]

40% right now.

Dubas will overpay for him in the off season. I heard he told Pits ownership... Trust the plan.

 

[Confucius]

He’s worth at least what Kadri makes and people want Kadri, let’s see that’s 4 more years at 7 per

 

[LeafSteel]

I usually find myself pulling for the underdog and long shots, but this season I’ve been cheering Tavares on.

The guy gets slagged on here to no end, and he had his C removed to be given to a player I don’t feel has done anything to earn or show that he is Captain material.

Tavares does everything asked of him and is having an excellent season thus far.

I think he’s going to continue to show us how committed he is to winning here, and will resign on a very team friendly extension.

Just one of the good guys you have to cheer for if you are a Leaf fan.

 

[thewave]

He’s worth at least what Kadri makes and people want Kadri, let’s see that’s 4 more years at 7 per

40% brings him down to around 7m. Neither he or Kadri will be worth half that in 2 years from now.

 

[Confucius]

40% brings him down to around 7m. Neither he or Kadri will be worth half that in 2 years from now.

Maybe you are correct. I guess the post was more directed at people who want to see Kadri back.

 

[thewave]

Maybe you are correct. I guess the post was more directed at people who want to see Kadri back.

If they move to bring Kadri back etc it's because they want to win in the next 2yrs. Could be the case. OEL and Tanev and Rielly ain't getting younger. May want to overload on the old now and go for broke.

 

[Goose]

If you have a brain and understand how massive. prime-of-their-career PPG 1OA player free agent contracts work, you'll appreciate the fact that you can't judge his current season at his current cap hit, the contract has to be looked at as an overall package.

Remember Jagr's $11m/per 7 year contract in 2001?
Or Brad Richards $60m/9 in 2001 where he turned garbage so fast they bought him out after 3 years?
Kovalchuk's 15 year / $100 million absurdity?
Stamkos just signed $8x4 as a guy who is borderline washed up with his injuries, how do you think that's going to go?

JT is not overpaid, unless you look at things in a complete vacuum. These contracts often look a helluva lot worse than this in the last two years of them. The guy has 19 points in 19 games right now. He's produced pretty much exactly as expected, acknowledging that his playoff performance has been meh.

We got a guy who has put up 0.95PPG, averaging 30+ goals per season, for the past seven years for zero hockey assets, just cap space.

People in this thread are "increasingly concerned" about the way his play is dropping off in the second last year of his monster UFA contract when he's still point per game. God damn Leafs fans are stupid.

Of all the reasons I hate being a Leafs fan, the collective whining and hand wringing over JT's contract has to be near the top. You know how hard it is to get 7 years of PPG production for just cap space, even if it is 11m?

 

[BraveCanadian]

There is no way to portray JTs contract as anything but a massive overpay get real. He has never been worth even close to $11 million.

That said, he’s been good so far this year. Still not worth the cap space he’s tied up though.

 

[DarkKnight]

Saw this on the internet lol...

 

[notDatsyuk]

Saw this on the internet lol...
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Is that really a quotation mark instead of an apostrophe in "you're"?

Ugly can be fixed - stupid not as much.

 

[Goose]

There is no way to portray JTs contract as anything but a massive overpay get real. He has never been worth even close to $11 million.

That said, he’s been good so far this year. Still not worth the cap space he’s tied up though.

Do you have any understanding of how rare it is for a guy like Tavares to hit UFA in the NHL in his situation, and what the consequent cost is? Or just how powerful it is to get his level of production for no hockey assets?

We gave up 2x1st and 1x2nd back in the day for Kessel, who we then had to pay $8x8. That's a bad trade, but representative of what it takes to get elite scoring. (By the way, Tavares is a better scorer than Kessel.)

Back in the day we gave up a 1st, Boyes, and McAuley for Owen Nolan over the hill.

We got Tavares for nothing except cap space. The Islanders, Stars, Sharks (when they were good), Tampa Bay, and Boston were all after Tavares. SJ offered $13x8 reportedly, and NYI the same as what we did, but an extra year.

Tavares took a pay cut to play for the Leafs.

 

[Confucius]

The smart play is to let Marner walk, because it will show JT that the team is serious about winning and won't overpay.

The smart play is to let the guys see what’s out there, we don’t have to be the best offer