How much support for Julien as Head Coach? (All Julien Talk IV)

[Dennis Bonvie]

Anything positive, Claude gets full credit and nobody else can share in that success. Anything bad, that's all Sweeney's fault. Or the players not executing. Or Neely's. Never Claude's because he's never made a wrong move.

Its always the players not executing. Or the players executing. You know, because, they actually play the games.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Best coach of the league not at all star game ? Strange...or.....reality...

But assistant coach for Team Canada.

Strange...or.....reality

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

One thig claude is very strong...is his ego
He have excuses for everything and he is never responsible for anything

I get the impression that Claude doesn't have much of an ego at all.

 

[the overrated]

Anything positive, Claude gets full credit and nobody else can share in that success. Anything bad, that's all Sweeney's fault. Or the players not executing. Or Neely's. Never Claude's because he's never made a wrong move.

That first sentence is a head-scratcher for me. Even if Claude gets more credit than he deserves, I can't agree that fans never give credit to Bergeron. Or Marchand. Or Rask. Or Carlo. And quite a few other players as well.

Even the biggest most biased Julien supporters regularly give credit to the players. To say otherwise seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

[since76]

But assistant coach foQr Team Canada.

Strange...or.....reality

I always said claude would be the best assistant coach on earth )))))
Wherehe use his system and have no in game decision to make !
We agree

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Even worse is the failure to admit when he failed with a vastly superior team in the playoffs.

09, 12, 14, not to mention blowing a 3-0 lead, including a 3-0 lead in game 7 at home.

It's very hard to have honest conversations about him.

Anything positive, Claude gets full credit and nobody else can share in that success. Anything bad, that's all Sweeney's fault. Or the players not executing. Or Neely's. Never Claude's because he's never made a wrong move.

With all due respect to both of you fine gentlemen, this goes for both extremes. Those in support of Julien and those in favour of moving on. They stack the positives/negatives respectively and make their judgements based on those alone.

I see both sides of this and I strongly disagree with the extremes on either. Truth is, he's done a lot that's bothered me (and I've had no trouble calling him on those things)...

But he said before the season started that he was going to do some things that were needed to get the bring the Bruins up to speed with the rest of the NHL, and he's done those things. Management gave him a vote of confidence in each of the last two DNQs when perhaps they shouldn't have - and now that he's doing what he set out to do, that same management team has publicly left him out to dry.

 

[Ice Nine]

Has made some hairbrained decisions over the years, but still one of the top coaches in the league.

 

[Fierce1]

Julien is a good coach but he needs to go. I'll compare our situation to Pittsburgh in the first half last year. Originally when Bylsma took over from Therrien in Feb 2009 they were in danger of missing the playoffs and then went on to win the cup that year. Fast forward to the first half of last year and the Penguins had to relieve Bylsma of his duties because his message was stale and the team was brutal. Once again they went on to win a cup and Mike Sullivan is the genius come lately.

Why is it so difficult to understand that coaches get stale? Julien is stale, the Bruins have been stale for at least three years and we are still debating whether Julien is a great, good or bad coach. Who cares? Julien currently is not getting the most out of this team and most likely we miss the playoffs again for the third year in a row. Shame on management for wasting another season.

 

[ODAAT]

Julien is a good coach but he needs to go. I'll compare our situation to Pittsburgh in the first half last year. Originally when Bylsma took over from Therrien in Feb 2009 they were in danger of missing the playoffs and then went on to win the cup that year. Fast forward to the first half of last year and the Penguins had to relieve Bylsma of his duties because his message was stale and the team was brutal. Once again they went on to win a cup and Mike Sullivan is the genius come lately.

Why is it so difficult to understand that coaches get stale? Julien is stale, the Bruins have been stale for at least three years and we are still debating whether Julien is a great, good or bad coach. Who cares? Julien currently is not getting the most out of this team and most likely we miss the playoffs again for the third year in a row. Shame on management for wasting another season.

I`m a Claude guy but one who is more than accepting that we are likely to see a change at seasons end however, if there is one thing I don`t see with this group that I have seen with some of the teams over the last two years is compete levels.

Now, every team throws out a dud here and there, it happens and it has happened to this team, often coming at a bad time which only frustrates me more however, one thing I do feel about this team is, despite the mediocre talent on this team, I don`t see it as one who has bailed on CJ or tuned him out, I just see a team who, on most nights, will work hard, but when playing higher skilled teams, will eventually lose out or break down as they just don`t have the depth to compete with the big boys

All that said, I don`t necessarily disagree that a new voice is coming sooner than later, and I get it, I welcome it to a degree, I worry that this new voice is going to step in, and likely inherit a very young lineup and fans here will be all over that coach. Whomever they hire whenever CJ is excused is going to have the largest shoes to fill that I`ve seen in my time as a fan of this team.

 

[EverettMike]

With all due respect to both of you fine gentlemen, this goes for both extremes. Those in support of Julien and those in favour of moving on. They stack the positives/negatives respectively and make their judgements based on those alone.

I see both sides of this and I strongly disagree with the extremes on either. Truth is, he's done a lot that's bothered me (and I've had no trouble calling him on those things)...

But he said before the season started that he was going to do some things that were needed to get the bring the Bruins up to speed with the rest of the NHL, and he's done those things. Management gave him a vote of confidence in each of the last two DNQs when perhaps they shouldn't have - and now that he's doing what he set out to do, that same management team has publicly left him out to dry.

I think the "he can do no wrong" crowd greatly outnumbers the "he can do no right" crowd. The results of this poll would seem to support that.

 

[JCRO]

With all due respect to both of you fine gentlemen, this goes for both extremes. Those in support of Julien and those in favour of moving on. They stack the positives/negatives respectively and make their judgements based on those alone.

I see both sides of this and I strongly disagree with the extremes on either. Truth is, he's done a lot that's bothered me (and I've had no trouble calling him on those things)...

But he said before the season started that he was going to do some things that were needed to get the bring the Bruins up to speed with the rest of the NHL, and he's done those things. Management gave him a vote of confidence in each of the last two DNQs when perhaps they shouldn't have - and now that he's doing what he set out to do, that same management team has publicly left him out to dry.

Very well said. I agree.

 

[EverettMike]

Only 12 voters out of 155 have him ranked either a 4 or 5 (strangely no 4s).

I really think the extreme of the "Claude sucks" side is very small, but they tend to generate more responses when they post so it feels larger.

 

[Kaoz]

He's an excellent head coach when it comes to struggling teams with lesser talent. If you want a guy to turn it around and get people on the same page there isn't a better option imo. His system can take a team with little talent and make them competitive.

I think he struggles with adapting his coaching style to capitalize on talented teams strengths. Actually, I think he just struggles adapting his coaching style period. When he coaches his way and a team responds it's gold. When they don't respond, they'll take their lumps.

 

[LSCII]

Only 12 voters out of 155 have him ranked either a 4 or 5 (strangely no 4s).

I really think the extreme of the "Claude sucks" side is very small, but they tend to generate more responses when they post so it feels larger.

And a handful of the 12 that did rank him as a 5, clarified and said he's a good coach but that it's just time for a change. So it wasn't like it was unjustified, irrational hate. It was a lack of choices in the poll.

 

[Mpasta]

And a handful of the 12 that did rank him as a 5, clarified and said he's a good coach but that it's just time for a change. So it wasn't like it was unjustified, irrational hate. It was a lack of choices in the poll.

I refuse to answer the poll because it has horrible choices. I would want to pick number 4 and number 1.

 

[bearcountry17]

Julien is a good coach but he needs to go. I'll compare our situation to Pittsburgh in the first half last year. Originally when Bylsma took over from Therrien in Feb 2009 they were in danger of missing the playoffs and then went on to win the cup that year. Fast forward to the first half of last year and the Penguins had to relieve Bylsma of his duties because his message was stale and the team was brutal. Once again they went on to win a cup and Mike Sullivan is the genius come lately.

Why is it so difficult to understand that coaches get stale? Julien is stale, the Bruins have been stale for at least three years and we are still debating whether Julien is a great, good or bad coach. Who cares? Julien currently is not getting the most out of this team and most likely we miss the playoffs again for the third year in a row. Shame on management for wasting another season.

I agree with this. Julien is very unlikely to be the coach Of the future core, Might as well see if a coaching change can spark this team because he will be gone at the end of the year if they don't make the playoffs anyways.

 

[LSCII]

I refuse to answer the poll because it has horrible choices. I would want to pick number 4 and number 1.

I said that exact thing on the first page because you can fully believe he's a good coach yet it's also time for a new voice behind the bench. Which, to Mike's point, shows you how well respected the job Julien has done here is. Even the people who want a new coach are saying he's a good coach for the most part. So there's very little blind hatred being directed at him. A lot less of that than the blind faith crew that thinks he walks on water, at least...

 

[Spanky185]

Will changing coaches turn this Bruins club into last seasons Penguins? No. But I'd bet that it would help make next year's squad closer to this year's CBJ

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I think the "he can do no wrong" crowd greatly outnumbers the "he can do no right" crowd. The results of this poll would seem to support that.

But I'm one of those that voted high and I am anything BUT part of the "he can do no wrong" crowd.

I suppose I should clarify and say that it's not the supporter, but the support. It's the arguments that are exhausting...

 

[EverettMike]

But I'm one of those that voted high and I am anything BUT part of the "he can do no wrong" crowd.

I suppose I should clarify and say that it's not the supporter, but the support. It's the arguments that are exhausting...

I'm not saying everyone that voted high is in that crowd. I voted 4 myself.

I'm just saying that when you talk to "can do no wrongers" it's exhausting. And I think they are far more prominent and vocal than their opposites.

 

[DKH]

Its always the players not executing. Or the players executing. You know, because, they actually play the games.

So what do you rate him on?

2008- great year yah Claude
2009- lose game 7 @ home heavily favored - boo Claude
2010- blow 3-0 series lead- boo Claude
2011- yah Claude
2012- lose 3rd game 7 at home in 4 yrs- boo Claude
2013- we had em but...yah Claude
2014- 4th game 7 lost and to Habs- boo Claude
2015- missed playoffs by a point- boo Claude
2016- same as above - boo Claude

Last 8 years

4 home game 7 losses all very painful
2 missed playoffs both times by 1 point
2 Finals appearances

The 7 endings were pretty bad

2009- Carolina wtf
2010- embarrassing especially game 7
2011- heaven on earth
2012- Least hurtful of game 7 home losses
2013- game 1 against Chicago ****ing nightmare
2014- this hurt - the Cup was close
2015 & 2016 blah

 

[DKH]

This was a 2 Cup group at least but I'll take 2

He got 1

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I'm not saying everyone that voted high is in that crowd. I voted 4 myself.

I'm just saying that when you talk to "can do no wrongers" it's exhausting. And I think they are far more prominent and vocal than their opposites.

As basic observation will tell, along with what the results of this poll show, the "do no wrong" is a much, much larger crowd than the "do no right".

 

[since76]

So what do you rate him on?

2008- great year yah Claude
2009- lose game 7 @ home heavily favored - boo Claude
2010- blow 3-0 series lead- boo Claude
2011- yah Claude
2012- lose 3rd game 7 at home in 4 yrs- boo Claude
2013- we had em but...yah Claude
2014- 4th game 7 lost and to Habs- boo Claude
2015- missed playoffs by a point- boo Claude
2016- same as above - boo Claude r

Last 8 years

4 home game 7 losses all very painful
2 missed playoffs both times by 1 point
2 Finals appearances

The 7 endings were pretty bad

2009- Carolina wtf
2010- embarrassing especially game 7
2011- heaven on earth
2012- Least hurtful of game 7 home losses
2013- game 1 against Chicago ****ing nightmare
2014- this hurt - the Cup was close
2015 & 2016 blah

Stats are stats...he had a team to win atleast 2 cups and he have very impressive numbers of epic fails....but nobody can be better

 

[Number8]

Just reading through the latest comments. I totally get that the choices may not fit very well -- particularly for Claude.

I was just trying to keep it all consistent between JJacobs, CJabobs, CNeely, DSweeney, and CJulien -- and original idea was just to get a very quick back of the envelope read on support for various management.

If we really want to get a read on people's views on Julien we'd probably need a more in depth poll.

Regardless, hard to deny that people generally support Julien -- are sort of middle ground on Sweeney -- and pretty much against Neely, and Jacobs (2).

Based on smell test that seems about right -- most people seem to think Top Brass doesn't know what they are doing.