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Ice-Tray said:
COVID killed the chance of a warchest that Melnyk had earmarked to spend on his glorious FYOUS. It wasn’t just about cap, it was about broke owner didn’t get any gate receipts for a couple season and had nothing to spend.

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I don't think anybody was buying the nonsense that was FYOUS for even a second, and I think we can all agree that Melnyk was running the team so close to the ground that you could see the anthills. My response was to Tnuoc, whose framing of the situation as a planned five-year rebuild is at worst a complete fabrication, at best not well articulated to the fanbase. Either way there's room for criticism here and that's all I was getting at.
 
Golden_Jet said:
I blame the FYOUS schedule as bad, because it wasn’t a reasonable timeline, just a timeline to make fans feel happy, for those that bought it.
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I mean I agree as well! It was a dumb plan to release, the way he did it was bad, and the underlying message was one of a poor franchise looking to cycle through catching lightening in a bottle.

Seemed like the release was designed to keep investors and business folk happy no? Wasn’t it released at a private function, and then leaked?

Anyways, it’s shouldn’t be a surprise that a financial crunch killed the ‘timeline’, nor that the ‘plan’ in general was scraped entirely upon his passing.

It’s not even like it couldn’t have been a sound basis for a studs up rebuild in general, but the acronym and the slimy release, and the underlying cheapness were so Sens of the day.

Hopefully that’s all done with.
 
YouGotAStuGoing said:
I don't think anybody was buying the nonsense that was FYOUS for even a second, and I think we can all agree that Melnyk was running the team so close to the ground that you could see the anthills. My response was to Tnuoc, whose framing of the situation as a planned five-year rebuild is at worst a complete fabrication, at best not well articulated to the fanbase. Either way there's room for criticism here and that's all I was getting at.
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Hahaha, I mean I agree completely.

It was a “yeah we’ll believe it when we see it” kind of thing for the most part, and then the pandemic financial issues just made it even more of a non starter for this broke team.

He didn’t even release this plan of his directly to the fanbase first.

I do think the EM probably thought that he could roll the roster savings from the cap floor team into a competitive team for a few years, selling the ‘rebuild’ as the reason for the cheap roster. Maybe it was a one time bid to inflate the team on a budget for his girls while he was dying? Who knows now.

There was simply no way anyone was going to buy what he was selling regardless by that point, and he couldn’t sell a solid plan to the fanbase in an agreeable manner even if it was clean slate.
 
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Ice-Tray said:
There is a reason why it’s easy to blame COVID for the demise of the FYOU schedule.

Murray and Daddy don’t chance what was very clearly a cheaply run team during a team of no gate receipts.

A much harder job is trying to substantiate a different story.
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It's unlikely that we'd want to spend significantly more, at least not on anyone with term, a big reason we had the low cap hit we had was entry level contracts for Tkachuk, Stützle, Zub and Norris.

The team was clearly looking to take steps forward, it was made clear by their words and actions. The team didn't meet internal expectations,

Nobody is saying they expected to be a playoff team right away, even with the signing of Dadonov and Murray, but it wasn't Covid that stopped us from spending significantly more, it was long term planing.

What set us back was poor performance by our big ticket signings, not Covid
 
what made the FYOUS frustrating to me was the wording. "We will spend close to the salary cap for a period of 5 years."

As a fan he provided a limited contention window and didn't even commit to spending every last resource to win a cup. Thank god he doesn't own this team anymore.

as for DJs rope? I think a 12 game sample should be enough. If he isn't above the wildcard line at the 12 game mark off with his head. Gives the stand-by coach 70 games to correct the course, and you can tell the players management gave their guy a chance but its a results orientated business.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
I blame the FYOUS schedule as bad, because it wasn’t a reasonable timeline, just a timeline to make fans feel happy, for those that bought it.
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Anyone who believed it deserved what they got. It was nothing more than hollow words meant to buy fan service, like you're saying.

Meme worthy and that's about it.
 
Micklebot said:
It's unlikely that we'd want to spend significantly more, at least not on anyone with term, a big reason we had the low cap hit we had was entry level contracts for Tkachuk, Stützle, Zub and Norris.

The team was clearly looking to take steps forward, it was made clear by their words and actions. The team didn't meet internal expectations,

Nobody is saying they expected to be a playoff team right away, even with the signing of Dadonov and Murray, but it wasn't Covid that stopped us from spending significantly more, it was long term planing.

What set us back was poor performance by our big ticket signings, not Covid
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Eh to each their own but I disagree. We could have had a higher cap hit if we decided to also sign a bunch of more expensive quality players to play with the kids, but we didn’t. They didn’t want better players, they said as much. They wanted cheap character vets, and that’s what we got. Save for TWO players who could have been better, but weren’t.

We also traded Daddy immediately before his bigger dollars were due instead of letting him try and bounce back. No, we weren’t trying to make noise.

I personally don’t see signing Daddy as any kind of win now move at the time, nor Murray afterwards.

I saw Daddy as a guy they wanted to score a little since we really didn’t have any other established scorers, they said as much at the time, and Murray was a gamble for the long term who was available at the time.

Those ‘big ticket signings” weren’t big ticket moves at all nor did they move the needle much when you considered the roster as a whole.

COVID didn’t stop us from spending, spending was never the point. COVID stopped us from being able to bank a couple years of gate revenues to spend later. We essentially didn’t get to build that warchest for the FYOUS plan.

In any case the owner then died and the noose was removed from the franchise and we are now a cap team looking make the playoffs.

We can agree to disagree.
 
Senscore said:
It was literally a word joke to say F YOU to the fans.
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That had to be intentional. Or at least a few must have been silently snickering that nobody else clued in and sent it out anyways.

It was so bad it reminded me of a Vitamin D campaign our territorial government ran for about a day before having it brought to their attention how bad it was. No way did nobody catch on before this made it out the door.

Their slogan was "We all need the D!" and were accompanied by images of moms, grandmas, etc.

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We are getting killed on the main boards of people laughing at our great team but horrid results.

They are not lying. We have

PPG unicorn power forward
90+ superstar in the making C
70+ alfie like veteran who is elite captain in his own-right

35 goal capable 2 way C
70+ capable winger
Tarasenko who needs no introduction
2 20-25 goal guys who will be on our 3rd line.

3 top pairing defenders
a legitimate top 4 D
2 guys who should be playing exactly where they are supposed to be and can maybe even play a bit higher in depth (brann+ham)

A goalie who stopped McDavid with more efficiency than any other G and had .915 sv% last year.

I am expecting a top 3 division finish and anything less will be purely on DJ Smith(which will then be on Dorion if he lets him passed 10 game mark without notable hot start). I really don't want to hear the excuses anymore. This is a team that looks like like it should compete for the division. Enough is enough. Time for our NJD breakthrough season.
 
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I know it's not going to happen but DJ should be gone ASAP.

We all know that he is not the guy, so why wait for the inevitable?

Early success will also be a trap, with a very good team on paper being limited by a mediocre coach.

Problem is the pool of available coaches is not great. Julienne might be OK with the right assistants group. I don't want to risk a rookie coach.

This team needs an identity fast. I submit that Patrick Roy is the answer. He has the hockey mind we need and the credentials to back it up. After his summer interviews It's clear he understands his previous mistakes. He also know how to coach and relate with young players.

A Jack Adams coach who has had time to mature and rethink his past problems is a pretty good option.

Also, he is Patrick f***ing Roy - and he knows how to win.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
We are getting killed on the main boards of people laughing at our great team but horrid results.

They are not lying. We have

PPG unicorn power forward
90+ superstar in the making C
70+ alfie like veteran who is elite captain in his own-right

35 goal capable 2 way C
70+ capable winger
Tarasenko who needs no introduction
2 20-25 goal guys who will be on our 3rd line.

3 top pairing defenders
a legitimate top 4 D
2 guys who should be playing exactly where they are supposed to be and can maybe even play a bit higher in depth (brann+ham)

A goalie who stopped McDavid with more efficiency than any other G and had .915 sv% last year.

I am expecting a top 3 division finish and anything less will be purely on DJ Smith(which will then be on Dorion if he lets him passed 10 game mark without notable hot start). I really don't want to hear the excuses anymore. This is a team that looks like like it should compete for the division. Enough is enough. Time for our NJD breakthrough season.
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A lot will also fall on his shoulders too, not just the coach, unless you are willing to give DJ all the credit for Tkachuk's play (making him produce more than he is capable of)?
 
YouGotAStuGoing said:
I don't think anybody was buying the nonsense that was FYOUS for even a second, and I think we can all agree that Melnyk was running the team so close to the ground that you could see the anthills. My response was to Tnuoc, whose framing of the situation as a planned five-year rebuild is at worst a complete fabrication, at best not well articulated to the fanbase. Either way there's room for criticism here and that's all I was getting at.
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You never read:

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Sun God Nika said:
what made the FYOUS frustrating to me was the wording. "We will spend close to the salary cap for a period of 5 years."

As a fan he provided a limited contention window and didn't even commit to spending every last resource to win a cup. Thank god he doesn't own this team anymore.

as for DJs rope? I think a 12 game sample should be enough. If he isn't above the wildcard line at the 12 game mark off with his head. Gives the stand-by coach 70 games to correct the course, and you can tell the players management gave their guy a chance but its a results orientated business.
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If DJ is on that short of a rope, then he should probably be gone now. I think the team has missed the boat getting a new HC this summer. The issue then becomes who should the new HC be.
 
Silky Johnson said:
I know it's not going to happen but DJ should be gone ASAP.

We all know that he is not the guy, so why wait for the inevitable?

Early success will also be a trap, with a very good team on paper being limited by a mediocre coach.

Problem is the pool of available coaches is not great. Julienne might be OK with the right assistants group. I don't want to risk a rookie coach.

This team needs an identity fast. I submit that Patrick Roy is the answer. He has the hockey mind we need and the credentials to back it up. After his summer interviews It's clear he understands his previous mistakes. He also know how to coach and relate with young players.

A Jack Adams coach who has had time to mature and rethink his past problems is a pretty good option.

Also, he is Patrick f***ing Roy - and he knows how to win.
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Yea, I am actually baffled Roy isn't the coach. Seems like an absolutely perfect fit heading into next season with Tarasenko and our new purpose to win. Also seems like PERFECT person to whip Chabot back into shape. Bilingual. Will appeal to francophone fanbase, it's perfect.

I am baffled how simple easy decisions are not being pursued. It's almost like they have to force themselves into our laps (Giroux basically only choosing Ottawa) for us to make it happen.
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
Yea, I am actually baffled Roy isn't the coach. Seems like an absolutely perfect fit heading into next season with Tarasenko and our new purpose to win. Also seems like PERFECT person to whip Chabot back into shape. Bilingual. Will appeal to francophone fanbase, it's perfect.

I am baffled how simple easy decisions are not being pursued. It's almost like they have to force themselves into our laps (Giroux basically only choosing Ottawa) for us to make it happen.
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Makes me think of the Mann quote "you don't know what I know"

Roy's time in the league he was volatile and his exit less than graceful. I'm not surprised at all really that he's having trouble finding a way back in. I suspect there's a lot of NHL GMs that are quite familiar with Roy and it's a firm but polite....no.
 
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HoweHullOrr said:
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I would think when they moved Karlsson in Sept. 2018 most people knew the rebuild had started. When a team moves its best (franchise) player, that's an obvious & objective starting point for a rebuild.
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Yes, that could be considered when the rebuild started too.
 
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