Value of: How Much Retention Needed to Move Tarasenko ?

[datsyukfan]

Hey bro, how ‘bout that off ice issue? Still don’t know what it was, or if there was really an issue at all, huh?

Because on the ice he just scored a go-ahead goal with 6 minutes to go in the finals. Man, I’d maybe not defend the GM who gave that dude up for literally less than nothing! Ahaha

There was definitely something that happened. I definitely don’t defend it as it was a bad bad trade, but yzerman was also the one that made a great trade to get walman

 

[Petes2424]

With the cap rising and luxury players about to be a thing again July 1, they shouldn’t have to retain at all. Think us as fans have to start switching back to seeing retention like we did years ago.

The problem is, he's not helping them out much, not even giving his 8 teams yet, as he tries pushing a deal to Florida .

Had a couple people mention to me today that Detroit might even have a deal in place with Washington for a mid round pick AND the negotiating rights to Taylor Raddysh, but Tarasenko is pushing for FLA. Also know that Detroit’s defensive scouts still like Alex Alexeyev, and he may have asked for a new opportunity, after being stapled to the press box all year in Washington. So could see Tarasenko for Alexeyev with a million or less retained, prior to July 1. Would they retain a little more to get Alexeyev in the deal.? Maybe.

Tarasenko though, is trying to push a move back to Florida. That’s where he wants to go most. So if Detroit wants to make sure he gets moved prior to July 1, they may have to retain $1 million, or pull a Rangers, and put him on waivers to avoid retention prior to July 1.

I doubt Detroit does that to a veteran player though. Their reputation is too good with older players, and they don’t wanna be going into July 1, having just screwed over a vet they signed last summer. So they’d probably retain a million just to be done with it, and gain the $3.75 million, to give (some of that) to someone like Raddysh on July 1 instead.

Dallas is another team mentioned, as they likely lose both Duchene and Granlund. We could see Tarasenko to Dallas prior to July 1, for the rights to one of those players, with Detroit retaining a million or under, just to have that negotiating opportunity.

If they wait it out, past July 1, he’ll open up to several teams and the teams who don’t get “their guy” on July 1, will start looking for secondary options. At that point they likely won’t have to retain anything, and likely get a decent pick (3rd or 4th) in return.

Fans have to remember who we’re talking about here. Yes, he didn’t fit in Detroit because he didn’t have a Tarasenko C to play with, but was pretty good for Ottawa and Florida just a year ago.

From everything I’ve heard, he likely ends up back in Florida. If not them, Dallas or Washington, to replace a middle 6 player those teams are losing.

One other option I’ve heard over the last two days. He may have already agreed to terminate his deal to make Florida happen. They’ll mutually terminate and he’ll sign in FLA for $2.5-$3 million. In fact, was told that’s a pretty solid option to happen prior to July 1 if the Wings can’t get another deal done with an approved team without retention.

So good bet he ends up back in Florida to replace Marchand, Washington to replace Mangiapane, or in Dallas to replace Duchene or Granlund.

If they retain anything, it’ll be just to get the deal done immediately, rather than waiting until July 2nd, 3rd or 4th. It’s worth the million if they land a player they want on July 1.

If it ends up not being one of those 3 teams, doubt they retain at all. They’ll just likely have to wait until after the first wave of UFA signings.

Bottom line? It’s not as big of a deal as some might think.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

The only guy hes replacing on that list is Skinner, and idk if Edmonton has interest in spending even 2.37m to do that

He has averaged 17 goals and 46 pts over the last three years, averaging around 15mins a game, and has clearly lost a step

We definitely don't. Edmonton would only work as a deadline move and likely one we'd be shopping for a 3rd party additional retention and still only if the price is dirt cheap. Personally I think he's fairly cooked.

 

[Petes2424]

Heard an interesting one today. Tarasenko straight up for Evander Kane.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Heard an interesting one today. Tarasenko straight up for Evander Kane.

Sure.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Heard an interesting one today. Tarasenko straight up for Evander Kane.

Kane seems like the personality Yzerman detests having in his locker room.

 

[datsyukfan]

Kane would at least bring a little more attitude. I honestly wouldn’t hate it. Skates better and more physical. Can play in top 9

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Hey bro, how ‘bout that off ice issue? Still don’t know what it was, or if there was really an issue at all, huh?

Because on the ice he just scored a go-ahead goal with 6 minutes to go in the finals. Man, I’d maybe not defend the GM who gave that dude up for literally less than nothing! Ahaha

This thread lmao:

Search results for query: walman

forums.hfboards.com

 

[Petes2424]

Kane seems like the personality Yzerman detests having in his locker room.

Kane would at least bring a little more attitude. I honestly wouldn’t hate it. Skates better and more physical. Can play in top 9

Agree with both statements. Lol. Tony DeAngelo is another player I’ve heard (who Yzerman was the first GM to give up on after drafting him in Tampa) who could absolutely help Detroit right now, and he too, will be easier to acquire than similar skilled players. Likely on a 1-year deal.

That’s one of the major reasons, there’s a chance either, or both, could end up in Detroit this summer. That being, the price to acquire them, and the short term of their deals that Detroit IS absolutely looking for.

The Wings still have to figure out what they have with some young players. Especially at forward. The last thing they want, is to sign a C to a 5 year deal and Danielson shows up at camp playing lights out, or to sign a Mangiapane let’s say to a 3 year deal, and Lombardi or Finnie shows up scoring goals like crazy.

They still need to cover themselves though, because you do need high-end skilled players for your kids to play with, as they continue to develop in the NHL. It’s what really hurt Rasmussen and Veleno’s development. As an example, you want Danielson to have a winger like Kane to play with, and the entire team, to have another Dman who can move the puck as quick as DeAngelo does, and how he can help on the PP too.

So really quality players, on short deals, is what the Wings are after this summer. At least at forward.

I look at it this way. Sometimes you have to take chances on players who’ve grown up but are still viewed negatively. Lou did it this past season with Tony and he was great, all around. Likely earning himself another NHL contract July 1. Was Lou at a desperate stage as manager? Maybe so. Fact is, Tony played really well and was a good teammate in the room. He’s learned to shut his mouth while at work.

Under normal conditions I don’t think either is a player Yzerman would usually target. So maybe he will give into some of the pressure and make bigger moves that go against the rebuild, but I doubt it. If he’s made mistakes in the rebuild, it’s that he brought in, too many slightly above average players, who honestly didn’t lose enough for a proper rebuild. His kids have actually over performed as well. Picking 9th, 15th and 13th wasn’t the plan for these past 3 years.

So everything I’ve heard is, they’ll make a big move at forward if it fits, but they’re looking for very short term deals.

Yzerman was also pretty defiant at his last presser. So I think he’s going the short term contracts route. Preferably 1-year deals, as more filler types, who will likely be moved at the deadline. Especially at forward. On D, they know what they have and what type of role players they now need to build around Seider and Edvinsson. So there, I can definitely see targeting 1-2 dmen who help surround 53 and 77.

Kane will also definitely be targeted at the deadline by contenders, and if DeAngelo repeats last season, he becomes a deadline target for teams as well. Assuming you get him on a 1-year deal. That’s also a big plus going after high-end players on 1 year deals.

For what it’s worth….

Yzerman, Draper and Illitch are all on the same exact page. I’ve heard this from anyone and everyone. They also know there’s these crazy expectations out there, that the rebuild is over and it’s time to make the playoffs, or else face the music from the media and fanbase. How does the front office buy themselves 2-3 more years to finish the rebuild on their terms, without the media and fan expectations becoming too much??

Good bet this will be Yzerman’s final year as GM. He’s going to take all the backlash (ignoring it) for not making major moves, and at the end of what’s probably going to be a year where the team that takes a big step backwards in the standings (as they throw more rookies out there, and hand the core of the team over to 23, 92, 85, 20, 53 and 77) Yzerman will likely be kicked upstairs to take the role of President of Hockey Operations.

They’ll then promote Draper, who they know the fans and media will give another honeymoon to.

That way they can finish their rebuild over the next 2-3 years without any media, podcast, or fanbase pressure and expectations. The team will be ran pretty much the same way it’s been over Yzerman’s tenure, but they’ll gain a new honeymoon doing this.

Like I’ve heard this is actually the plan if the pressure becomes too much from the fans and media this coming season, and they almost expect that to be the case.

So taking a Kane or DeAngelo on a 1 year deal, as more rebuild filler types, would make a lot sense. You need your young players to play with the best players they can, as they continue to develop in the NHL. They’re not the only two other teams are looking to move either. Just two options that will come cheap.

 

[datsyukfan]

Agree with both statements. Lol. Tony DeAngelo is another player I’ve heard (who Yzerman was the first GM to give up on after drafting him in Tampa) who could absolutely help Detroit right now, and he too, will be easier to acquire than similar skilled players. Likely on a 1-year deal.

That’s one of the major reasons, there’s a chance either, or both, could end up in Detroit this summer. That being, the price to acquire them, and the short term of their deals that Detroit IS absolutely looking for.

The Wings still have to figure out what they have with some young players. Especially at forward. The last thing they want, is to sign a C to a 5 year deal and Danielson shows up at camp playing lights out, or to sign a Mangiapane let’s say to a 3 year deal, and Lombardi or Finnie shows up scoring goals like crazy.

They still need to cover themselves though, because you do need high-end skilled players for your kids to play with, as they continue to develop in the NHL. It’s what really hurt Rasmussen and Veleno’s development. As an example, you want Danielson to have a winger like Kane to play with, and the entire team, to have another Dman who can move the puck as quick as DeAngelo does, and how he can help on the PP too.

So really quality players, on short deals, is what the Wings are after this summer. At least at forward.

I look at it this way. Sometimes you have to take chances on players who’ve grown up but are still viewed negatively. Lou did it this past season with Tony and he was great, all around. Likely earning himself another NHL contract July 1. Was Lou at a desperate stage as manager? Maybe so. Fact is, Tony played really well and was a good teammate in the room. He’s learned to shut his mouth while at work.

Under normal conditions I don’t think either is a player Yzerman would usually target. So maybe he will give into some of the pressure and make bigger moves that go against the rebuild, but I doubt it. If he’s made mistakes in the rebuild, it’s that he brought in, too many slightly above average players, who honestly didn’t lose enough for a proper rebuild. His kids have actually over performed as well. Picking 9th, 15th and 13th wasn’t the plan for these past 3 years.

So everything I’ve heard is, they’ll make a big move at forward if it fits, but they’re looking for very short term deals.

Yzerman was also pretty defiant at his last presser. So I think he’s going the short term contracts route. Preferably 1-year deals, as more filler types, who will likely be moved at the deadline. Especially at forward. On D, they know what they have and what type of role players they now need to build around Seider and Edvinsson. So there, I can definitely see targeting 1-2 dmen who help surround 53 and 77.

Kane will also definitely be targeted at the deadline by contenders, and if DeAngelo repeats last season, he becomes a deadline target for teams as well. Assuming you get him on a 1-year deal. That’s also a big plus going after high-end players on 1 year deals.

For what it’s worth….

Yzerman, Draper and Illitch are all on the same exact page. I’ve heard this from anyone and everyone. They also know there’s these crazy expectations out there, that the rebuild is over and it’s time to make the playoffs, or else face the music from the media and fanbase. How does the front office buy themselves 2-3 more years to finish the rebuild on their terms, without the media and fan expectations becoming too much??

Good bet this will be Yzerman’s final year as GM. He’s going to take all the backlash (ignoring it) for not making major moves, and at the end of what’s probably going to be a year where the team that takes a big step backwards in the standings (as they throw more rookies out there, and hand the core of the team over to 23, 92, 85, 20, 53 and 77) Yzerman will likely be kicked upstairs to take the role of President of Hockey Operations.

They’ll then promote Draper, who they know the fans and media will give another honeymoon to.

That way they can finish their rebuild over the next 2-3 years without any media, podcast, or fanbase pressure and expectations. The team will be ran pretty much the same way it’s been over Yzerman’s tenure, but they’ll gain a new honeymoon doing this.

Like I’ve heard this is actually the plan if the pressure becomes too much from the fans and media this coming season, and they almost expect that to be the case.

So taking a Kane or DeAngelo on a 1 year deal, as more rebuild filler types, would make a lot sense. You need your young players to play with the best players they can, as they continue to develop in the NHL. They’re not the only two other teams are looking to move either. Just two options that will come cheap.

The issue with what you are saying is that if the red wings play a bunch of rookies this year they will be much better than they were last season. Their veteran filler types were legitimately pathetic. I also don’t believe the fan base will be letting them off the hook of what’s gone on here if they make a switch to Draper of all people. Draper has been here forever it’s not gonna change anyone’s thinking when it’s essentially the same staff just in different positions

 

[HockeyVirus]

Retain 25% and the Leafs would give you a late pick for him. One of our 5ths maybe. Plug in on the third line and PP2, Berube knows him well.

 

[minimal]

They’ll then promote Draper, who they know the fans and media will give another honeymoon to.

What makes you think this will happen? He's not getting a honeymoon, the fanbase will be actively turned off and I'm sure a good chunk will stop paying attention altogether.