How many teams would Thomas Harley be a #1D on?

[JKG33]

This season?

Chi: yes
Ana: yes
Bos: maybe
Car: no
Col: no
Cgy: yes
Buf: no
Cbj: no
Edm: no
Det: maybe
Nj: no
Min: yes
La: maybe
Fla: yes
Nyi: maybe
Nsh: no
Sj: yes
Mtl: maybe
Nyr: no
Stl: maybe
Sea: yes
Ott: no
Phi: yes
Uta: no
Van: no
Tbl: no
Pit: yes
Wpg: no
Vgk: no
Tor: yes
Wsh: no

10/32, so less than a 1/3. If you give him all the maybes, which is not at all clear-cut, it’s 16/32. He’s an average to high end #2 as it stands right now.

Using the test of would I take Harley right now over a team's current best D, the yeses are: ANA, CHI, DET, EDM, FLA, MTL, NJ, NYI, NYR, PHI, PIT, SEA, TOR, UTA

So nearly half the league. We got a similar answer, and that number is only going to grow as he gets better

 

[ijuka]

He’s not a maybe over Seider, Doughty, Dobson or Parayko for #1.

Great player, would love to have him. Not someone I consider a true #1 defender right now.

Doughty isn't #1 even on his own team.

 

[Dotter]

Using the test of would I take Harley right now over a team's current best D, the yeses are: ANA, CHI, DET, EDM, FLA, MTL, NJ, NYI, NYR, PHI, PIT, SEA, TOR, UTA

So nearly half the league. We got a similar answer, and that number is only going to grow as he gets better

You won’t find a single Red Wings fan—or anyone who watches both teams objectively—who would trade Seider for Harley. Their age difference is just four months, and Seider is already the better player. If you're going to argue that Harley is “only going to get better,” then you have to acknowledge the same is true for Seider.

Drop the exaggeration.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He'd be a #1 on all the 'no' teams if they didn't already have their own. Same situation he's in right now.

pretty fair observation that I agree with

 

[JKG33]

You won’t find a single Red Wings fan—or anyone who watches both teams objectively—who would trade Seider for Harley. Their age difference is just four months, and Seider is already the better player. If you're going to argue that Harley is “only going to get better,” then you have to acknowledge the same is true for Seider.

Drop the exaggeration.

I like Seider, but I'd probably lean Harley. Two very good d-men and there isnt a wrong answer.

Nowhere did I say anything about their (lack of) age difference.

 

[Dotter]

I like Seider, but I'd probably lean Harley. Two very good d-men and there isnt a wrong answer.

Nowhere did I say anything about their (lack of) age difference.

Fair take — I get the Harley love, especially with his breakout this year. But Seider's doing way more heavy lifting. Top matchups every night, 25+ minutes, PK anchor, physical tone-setter... all while putting up nearly the same point total on a worse team.

Harley’s thriving in a more sheltered, offensively-gifted environment. Seider’s been the guy from Day 1. If we're talking complete defenseman — impact, usage, responsibility — Seider still clears, even if Harley’s more fun on the stat sheet right now.

And yeah, I wasn’t calling out you specifically on age — just preempting the usual “Harley’s younger” argument, which doesn’t really hold water when they’re only 4 months apart.

No wrong answer, sure. But Seider’s still the right one.

 

[Magic Mittens]

I like Seider, but I'd probably lean Harley. Two very good d-men and there isnt a wrong answer.

Nowhere did I say anything about their (lack of) age difference.

Same with me. Seider is great too, but since Miro went down and Harley stepped into the #1 role, he was a beast. Only Makar scored more goals Harley for Dmen.

You couldnt go wrong with either though

 

[Jayevs]

same level as a guy like Sergachev IMO

 

[Garbageyuk]

When you say shit like that...it's all you can do really. You don't know what you're talking about.

Then explain how Faber is better because the other guy couldn’t give me an answer.

Harley produced nearly twice as much, has superior possession metrics, and better analytics.

He’s been vastly superior in the playoffs as well. Faber got taken to the woodshed every night against Vegas and didn’t put up a single point.

What does Faber do better?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Then explain how Faber is better because the other guy couldn’t give me an answer.

Harley produced nearly twice as much, has superior possession metrics, and better analytics.

He’s been vastly superior in the playoffs as well. Faber got taken to the woodshed every night against Vegas and didn’t put up a single point.

What does Faber do better?

You called Faber an ‘offensive defenseman’

lol.

 

[Garbageyuk]

You called Faber an ‘offensive defenseman’

lol.

Yeah, because his possession metrics and analytics suck ass. He got beat like a rented mule every game against Vegas.

All the hubris and laugh reacts, but can’t come up with a rebuttal when challenged because there isn’t one.

lol.

 

[andora]

Yeah, because his possession metrics and analytics suck ass. He got beat like a rented mule every game against Vegas.

All the hubris and laugh reacts, but can’t come up with a rebuttal when challenged because there isn’t one.

lol.

You wont get an answer because there isnt one

Faber was on his way to this last year and slumped this year. He has it in him to be that controlling dman but not yet

Harley is a stud has been for 2 years. He is in the ilk of petro where he just does everything great.. a true hockey number one but doesnt have the flash as some of the armchair favorites

 

[Coffee]

what?

What.

WHAT!

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Using the test of would I take Harley right now over a team's current best D, the yeses are: ANA, CHI, DET, EDM, FLA, MTL, NJ, NYI, NYR, PHI, PIT, SEA, TOR, UTA

So nearly half the league. We got a similar answer, and that number is only going to grow as he gets better

He’s not better than Hutson