Speculation: How Many Players Now Regret the Tortorella Firing?

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If someone admits they can't remember wouldn't it be better to search starting from recent memory? Just to show how close it was?

I think is was from some date in 2010 to spring 2013, after the team moved away from his safe is death hockey, where some of those gaudy team defense stats showed up, like not giving up 5 in a game for that stretch, and being undefeated with the lead after 2 periods.

I think he gets the most out of a player than what AV has shown thus far, very disappointing to say the least. .500 is mediocrity.
 
I think we all agree that this team is currently not built to compete with physical teams. Way too small
 
10/19/2009 - SJ 7 - NYR 3
11/28/2009 - NYR 3 - PIT 8
12/30/2009 - PHI 6 - NYR 0
1/23/2010 - NYR 0 - MTL 6

Stopped looking after finding 4 games in the first year... selective memory.

Yup, that was from early in Torts' tenure. Mr. Safe is Death tried to open things up and the results were pretty cruddy because he didnt have the players to do it. Sound familiar? Its a vicious cycle that starts and ends with Sather.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/26/rangers-look-to-upgrade-offensive-attack/

perhaps it was a manifestation of the frustration of presiding over a club that has scored nine goals in its last seven games and has been limited to two goals or fewer in 15-of-24 matches, but the coach actually suggested: “Maybe we have to play even tighter to the vest than we are and go into games with that mentality [of trying to win] 2-1.”

That quote is from Vigneault, but can easily be from any Ranger coach after 2006

We will continue to have the same inane back and forth year over year until some of you people realize a coach cant turn chicken **** into chicken salad.
 
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Is everyone happy with the offense so far? Dont tell me theyre getting chances. I thought once Torts was gone the team was gonna rain down offense? Same as last year. We dont have the offensive players to play an offensive system. Looks like this "caveman hockey" was made because this team doesnt have too many good offensive players. Only way to tell how good AV really is is to see how he adjusts
 
Is everyone happy with the offense so far? Dont tell me theyre getting chances. I thought once Torts was gone the team was gonna rain down offense? Same as last year. We dont have the offensive players to play an offensive system. Looks like this "caveman hockey" was made because this team doesnt have too many good offensive players. Only way to tell how good AV really is is to see how he adjusts

No one should pleased with an offense that is second to last in the league, but I'm sure some will be just because we are generating chances.

I always knew this offense would struggle, but they should be better than 29th in the league in scoring. This team used to be great 5 on 5 and didn't always wilt when the opponent scored the first goal. Something seems off with this team beyond the lack of talent. Thus far they haven't shown a lot of resiliency.
 
Is everyone happy with the offense so far? Dont tell me theyre getting chances. I thought once Torts was gone the team was gonna rain down offense? Same as last year. We dont have the offensive players to play an offensive system. Looks like this "caveman hockey" was made because this team doesnt have too many good offensive players. Only way to tell how good AV really is is to see how he adjusts


It's still early. I'm more optimistic about AV adjusting than Torts being uncavemamlike if he disposed actual homo sapiens. Don't think this is a bad team offensively at all. The pp is better, and so is the D involvement offensively When everybody settles in defensively they will explode offensively. I hope.
 
No one should pleased with an offense that is second to last in the league, but I'm sure some will be just because we are generating chances.

I always knew this offense would struggle, but they should be better than 29th in the league in scoring. This team used to be great 5 on 5 and didn't always wilt when the opponent scored the first goal. Something seems off with this team beyond the lack of talent. Thus far they haven't shown a lot of resiliency.

Yea, that stuff is important. But hopefully they're having fun out there
 
It's still early. I'm more optimistic about AV adjusting than Torts being uncavemamlike if he disposed actual homo sapiens. Don't think this is a bad team offensively at all. The pp is better, and so is the D involvement offensively When everybody settles in defensively they will explode offensively. I hope.

Torts did adjust, in a major way. Moving to a safer style was a huge adjustment for him. Thats what you dont get. You want to see the type of fast paced and exciting hockey you want to see and dont care much about if the ingredients are there or not. Its actually kind of selfish.

And oh, by the way, caveman hockey brought this franchise's best results since 1997 and (BY FAR) the best results since Sather's been at the helm.
 
Torts did adjust, in a major way. Moving to a safer style was a huge adjustment for him. Thats what you dont get. You want to see the type of fast paced and exciting hockey you want to see and dont care much about if the ingredients are there or not. Its actually kind of selfish.

And oh, by the way, caveman hockey brought this franchise's best results since 1997 and (BY FAR) the best results since Sather's been at the helm.

The answer to the OPs question is 0. Nothing else to say. It was time for a change and change feels good.
 
Torts did adjust, in a major way. Moving to a safer style was a huge adjustment for him. Thats what you dont get. You want to see the type of fast paced and exciting hockey you want to see and dont care much about if the ingredients are there or not. Its actually kind of selfish.

And oh, by the way, caveman hockey brought this franchise's best results since 1997 and (BY FAR) the best results since Sather's been at the helm.

Well that brand of caveman, neanderthal, dumb **** hockey sure seems to be working for the teams that play that way. EDM has been playing Man on Man D for years because of their high skill personnel, let's take a look at their record.

It's a man's league and the teams playing big boy hockey are all in playoff contention. The death valley out west in ANA, LA, PHX, SJ. You've got STL, COL, VAN, BOS, TOR, MTL, NJ all maximizing their rosters by playing to the team's strengths by playing big league hockey.

Not putting Brassard and Pouliot out there and expecting them to dominate the puck like players on CHI, DET, PIT, or WSH.

Yeah no **** the team can't score or win regularly.
 
I think it was something like several years without allowing 5 goals in a game, as well having an undefeated record when leading after 2 for several years in a row. Some ridiculous number.

Shame to see how people take him when he's just mistreating media members and not fans themselves. He was great with fans, heard nothing but great things about the dog walk, and the charity work he did around the city.

Basically effort and compete level were never questioned, so you didn't see these minor league type blowouts. Torts got Brassard to play at a ppg pace, but look at him now.

Tortorella fanboys just need to get over it. So happy we don't have to deal with his garbage anymore
 
The myth of tortorella wont die will it?

Some carry on and pretend we couldn't see or see through the sucess of our ecf appearance

I'm interested to know what vancouver fans think of him.

Could they last 4 more seasons?


Close this stupid thread
 
The definition of insanity is doing the same over and over and expecting different results.

Yeah I mean the Devils won 1 cup under Lemaire, and the other 2 under Larry Robinson and Pat Burns. It's not like they changed the system or personnel on ice, but once a coach wore out his welcome or couldn't get the players to respond, Lou moved him out of there.

But they kept on winning because they stuck with the formula that worked and not the coach. Elite goaltending and defense. IE that trap happy, dumb caveman hockey that some guys can't tolerate watching.

Folks can feel free to watch the Kitchener Rangers play pond hockey if that's what entertains more, the jerseys are close enough that those youthful little daydreams can persist on for another couple of years. They even have imports on a yearly basis, so there's always a new Euro dangler that might end up on the team for some folks to salivate over.
 
Yeah I mean the Devils won 1 cup under Lemaire, and the other 2 under Larry Robinson and Pat Burns. It's not like they changed the system or personnel on ice, but once a coach wore out his welcome or couldn't get the players to respond, Lou moved him out of there.

But they kept on winning because they stuck with the formula that worked and not the coach. Elite goaltending and defense. IE that trap happy, dumb caveman hockey that some guys can't tolerate watching.

You're missing the biggest point: they had (more than) competent leadership at the top.
 
The myth of tortorella wont die will it?

Some carry on and pretend we couldn't see or see through the sucess of our ecf appearance

I'm interested to know what vancouver fans think of him.

Could they last 4 more seasons?


Close this stupid thread

What you are seemingly not smart enough to realize is this isnt about Tortorella. Its about how any Ranger coach, no matter who it is, is unfairly set up to fail.

What are you going to do when Vigneault starts playing tighter hockey because it gives this bunch a better chance to win hockey games?
 
Torts did adjust, in a major way. Moving to a safer style was a huge adjustment for him. Thats what you dont get. You want to see the type of fast paced and exciting hockey you want to see and dont care much about if the ingredients are there or not. Its actually kind of selfish.

And oh, by the way, caveman hockey brought this franchise's best results since 1997 and (BY FAR) the best results since Sather's been at the helm.

You are looking at the wrong parameters. You are mixing up the parameters.

What parameters affect how offensive/defensive minded a team is?

1. How hard you forecheck vs how many players you keep back.

2. Your transition game. Do you play it safe or take risks with the puck?

3. How deep you collapse in your own end. How hard to you pressure the puck carrier? The points?

4. How much you allow your D's to join the attack.

Etc. Etc. Etc. Right?

For Torts, the transition play was -- never -- in play. Our transition play was never designed to do anything else than to get the puck below the hashmarks, slow the other team down, and get a circle going. This worked in the trap-era, you beat the trap by just fireing the puck up ice along the boards in the neutral zone and you made sure that you weren't hit with counter-attacks by getting the puck all the way down below the hashmarks.

This is the problem with NY media. Torts sit infront of them and say that "safe is death", while only referring to 1 and 4 above. We forechecked really hard often under him, and early on our D's joined the attack. Safe was stamped in Torts forehead in relation to 2 or 3. Nobody picked up on it. Nobody even commented on it.

I had no problems what-so-ever with Torts job with 1, 3 and 4. But -- all -- the good teams in this league is moving in the other direction and taking bigger risks than ever in the transition game. You constantly see them finding players moving W-E in the neutral zone (look at Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand and co in Boston). You never ever saw that pass to a player like Bergeron or Marchand or Krejci skating just inside the redline from E to W in like 03'. A god ol' NJD trap would have eaten that pass alive, killed the player, picked his pockets and scored a goal. If you managed to take a pass there with 3 guys on aline on the redline, you where ***** once you tried to do something wtih the puck. Hooks, slashes, grabs and what not. There is a ton of room for those plays now though, due to the D's being pushed back when they can't defend the redline anymore.

Torts didn't figure that out.
 
Torts did adjust, in a major way. Moving to a safer style was a huge adjustment for him. Thats what you dont get. You want to see the type of fast paced and exciting hockey you want to see and dont care much about if the ingredients are there or not. Its actually kind of selfish.

And oh, by the way, caveman hockey brought this franchise's best results since 1997 and (BY FAR) the best results since Sather's been at the helm.

Were does this analysis come from? The conclution is that I am a selfish supporter?
 
Tortorella fanboys just need to get over it. So happy we don't have to deal with his garbage anymore


What fanboys? Youre probably one of the people who said the teams hidden offense will be unlocked when Torts got fired right?
 
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