How many goals for Ovechkin this season?

TheDawnOfANewTage

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All of them, apparently.

Good god, I feared it’d be a slog. At this rate he’ll be done, uh, soon.

59 goals. That’s an absurd number, but he’s absurd at the moment. 5 goals in 2 games, 2 in a back-to-back, at that age? Greatness.
 

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It’s up .02. That’s pretty much nothing. And he shot 18.4% last season at the end more due to that he started poorly and he was due for some luck regression to the mean.

I don’t buy that he can shoot 21% over the course of the season. These seasons can happen, but I would never predict it for a player.
What's up .02? You've spit out like a third of a thought there, and I don't know what the rest was.

And you really should look into shooting percent leaders from past years. 20% isn't as impossible as you think over the coarse of a season. I don't expect you to, but you really should look into it.
 

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What's up .02? You've spit out like a third of a thought there, and I don't know what the rest was.

And you really should look into shooting percent leaders from past years. 20% isn't as impossible as you think over the coarse of a season. I don't expect you to, but you really should look into it.
Sorry if it wasn't clear. The .02 is referring to the comment you made that shooting percentage is up. Shooting percentage is up .02. We're not talking about it being up five percent. It's up a completely negligible difference, so I'm not sure how that really helps the argument for him shooting in the 20's over the course of this season.

I never said 20% is impossible, but no it isn't something that anyone should be predicting on any type of individual basis. It's statistically just very unlikely, and the odds say that if the shots are going in now that they'll find a way to not go in eventually. This stuff usually has a funny way of collating around 5-15% for like 99% of NHL forwards during the course of a season.
 

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Sorry if it wasn't clear. The .02 is referring to the comment you made that shooting percentage is up. Shooting percentage is up .02. We're not talking about it being up five percent. It's up a completely negligible difference, so I'm not sure how that really helps the argument for him shooting in the 20's over the course of this season.

I never said 20% is impossible, but no it isn't something that anyone should be predicting on any type of individual basis. It's statistically just very unlikely, and the odds say that if the shots are going in now that they'll find a way to not go in eventually. This stuff usually has a funny way of collating around 5-15% for like 99% of NHL forwards during the course of a season.
.02..... percent? or .02 as in 2%? Seriously man, put together a complete thought. The site i sourced shows it up .002, which is .2%. It also shows a long term trend over the last 10 years from 8.5% to 9.9%, suggesting a comparison between this season and a career average over the last 20 years is deeply flawed.

And the rest of your post rambles on about vague averages that aren't very well supported or defined. Good work, you've convinced yourself you're right, and you've refused to look into past years league leaders in shooting percentage just as I expected.
 

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Sorry if it wasn't clear. The .02 is referring to the comment you made that shooting percentage is up. Shooting percentage is up .02. We're not talking about it being up five percent. It's up a completely negligible difference, so I'm not sure how that really helps the argument for him shooting in the 20's over the course of this season.

I never said 20% is impossible, but no it isn't something that anyone should be predicting on any type of individual basis. It's statistically just very unlikely, and the odds say that if the shots are going in now that they'll find a way to not go in eventually. This stuff usually has a funny way of collating around 5-15% for like 99% of NHL forwards during the course of a season.

When league wide shooting % is up, it's generally the top players that are benefitting the most. Just like when there's a 10% increase in scoring, the top players are scoring at more like a 15-20% increased scoring rate.

Look at all top goal scorers, those that have scored at least 40 goals. Over the last 5 years, shooting 18%, and even 20% is common now, compared to the previous 15 years where even 18% was uncommon.

That's not to say Ovechkin will keep up his shooting % over the entire season, but it makes no sense to look at his shooting % 10 years ago and use that as an argument that he won't.
 
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He got injured in the midde of his 18'th game after scoring 15 goals.

It's a pity cause he is in great form.

Reminds me of when Stamkos went down after a similar start at his peak, same with Karlsson back in 2012. This is even more disappointing because Ovechkin is having one of those too good to be true type of seasons in pursuit of Gretzky’s record and leading the league in goals at age 39. Let’s just hope it’s not too serious and he doesn’t miss a beat in his return.
 
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Definitely doesn't look pleasant.
Skates interlocked and the speed going knee on knee...youch.
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Doesn't look like anything buckled. I would expect him back relatively soon.

I think the question now is, how much risk do you take with bringing him back? You can give him 3 months off and be pretty well assured that it’ll be like this never happened. Or you can give him 2 weeks off and the next game could be catastrophic. The middle ground is a wide range there’s some risk of re-injury but you hope it doesn’t happen.

Tough call for the team doctors. You know there will be a ton of pressure to get him back ASAP and also a ton of pressure for this not to be an ongoing thing. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.
 

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I think the question now is, how much risk do you take with bringing him back? You can give him 3 months off and be pretty well assured that it’ll be like this never happened. Or you can give him 2 weeks off and the next game could be catastrophic. The middle ground is a wide range there’s some risk of re-injury but you hope it doesn’t happen.

Tough call for the team doctors. You know there will be a ton of pressure to get him back ASAP and also a ton of pressure for this not to be an ongoing thing. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.
Have they said at all what it is? Is it a bone bruise or something like that, because it didn't look like a knee or ankle.
 

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Looks like a lighter version of Patrik Laine's knee. Didn't cave right in, but there's that slight bend from the side.
 

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Doesn't look like anything buckled. I would expect him back relatively soon.
Hard to make this take. As a doctor and someone that tore their ACL but had it missed by multiple doctors, if you have enough musculature and it's loaded, you don't always see a full buckle or dislocation even in cases of a partial or full tear. It's obviously good to not see it but there's a reason that an anterior or posterior Drawer test might be negative in an athlete that avtuslly has a torn ACL or PCL.

I'm obviously not weighing in or saying for sure it is or isn't a tear based on the video, but just pointing out you don't always see an obvious buckling in even more severe knee injuries.

Sucks since he's been scoring and on pace to set it this year...
 
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