How long do you except the Nylander at center experiment to last?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I agree! I say keep him on the wing and line him up with Domi on the opposite side. Put someone reliable who isn’t an offensive black hole between them. Or even Domi in the middle. Then put Knies with JT and maybe Jarnkrok.

Pipe dream or not, Kane really would balance everything.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Kane
Knies - Tavares - Marner
Nylander - Domi - Jarnkrok
Gregor - Kampf - Reaves

Few, if any, teams could matchup with that top 9

Not a fan of Domi playing center, because I HATE seeing wingers play center.

But if you were going to do it this would be probably the best lineup you could ask for.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don’t think it’s at all impossible they could sign Kane. Really just depends on what his priorities are. If he wants to be paid then he’ll end up in Buffalo probably or some other non contender. If he wants his best chance to win while also staying within driving distance of his dad, then his options are much more limited and his cap will have to reflect that. I’m not expecting it but I’d hardly be shocked

I don't think it's impossible, but if he wants to sign here, he'd be looking at a very small amount - probably well under $2M. Would he?

 

[thusk]

Right, so for JT it's actually 37 instead of 41 points that are relevant to him being 2C or 3C. Makes my point even stronger.

Thanks.

Not really

A 80 pts centre is not a 3C and will never be a 3C

He finished last season 15 th in scoring amount center in NHL

He having the same amount or more of 5v5 pts than aho, couture, thomas, larkin, jt miller, heryl, dubois, barzal, lindholm, larkin, bergeron... they should all be 3C ???

3 pts or less than zibanejad, eichel, scheifele, horvat, stamkos... they should be 3rd line c too??

 

[notDatsyuk]

Not really

A 80 pts centre is not a 3C and will never be a 3C

He finished last season 15 th in scoring amount center in NHL

He having the same amount or more of 5v5 pts than aho, couture, thomas, larkin, jt miller, heryl, dubois, barzal, lindholm, larkin, bergeron... they should all be 3C ???

3 pts or less than zibanejad, eichel, scheifele, horvat, stamkos... they should be 3rd line c too??

You just admitted that PP points aren't relevant when discussing even strength play, and now you're back to "ppg!"

I give up.

 

[thusk]

You just admitted that PP points aren't relevant when discussing even strength play, and now you're back to "ppg!"

I give up.

No i never said pp aren't relevant, i saif the fact hes scoring more on pp than 4v4, 6v5 3v3 doesn't make him worst thats different... youre only taking thing who gonna help ypu to discredit tavares and close your eyes on the rest...

Tavares had similar 5v5 and pp points than stamkos last year

16 goal 25 assist at 5v5
Pp 14 goal 21assist on pp
4 goal 4 assist at 4v4, 3v3 and 6v5

17 goal 21 assist at 5v5
18 goal 21 Assist on pp
1 goal 2 assist at 4v4, 3v3 or 6v5

Outside of 4v4, 3v3 and 6v5... they was pretty similar in term of production.... do you consider stamkos much better because he had 4 more assist at 5v5 and 4 less goal in pp and much higher production in kind of situation who not happen a lot in playoff?

 

[Nineteen67]

Minten has looked pretty good maybe he can be the 3C, or maybe Holmberg.

For months I have said this team needs 2 things.

1 a 3C.

2, one more piece on defense.

If they the 3C in house then that elminates a major need.

They probably need 2 more likely 3 D.

 

[bionic]

Untill he's traded

 

[kb]

Untill he's traded

Not happening

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It might be dead, this Knies-Minten-Jarnkrok line looks like it works

 

[notDatsyuk]

No i never said pp aren't relevant, i saif the fact hes scoring more on pp than 4v4, 6v5 3v3 doesn't make him worst thats different... youre only taking thing who gonna help ypu to discredit tavares and close your eyes on the rest...

Tavares had similar 5v5 and pp points than stamkos last year

16 goal 25 assist at 5v5
Pp 14 goal 21assist on pp
4 goal 4 assist at 4v4, 3v3 and 6v5

17 goal 21 assist at 5v5
18 goal 21 Assist on pp
1 goal 2 assist at 4v4, 3v3 or 6v5

Outside of 4v4, 3v3 and 6v5... they was pretty similar in term of production.... do you consider stamkos much better because he had 4 more assist at 5v5 and 4 less goal in pp and much higher production in kind of situation who not happen a lot in playoff?

I didn't say you said PP aren't relevant. I said you said PP weren't relevant when discussing even strength play.

Your exact words were "pp or at 4v4 or 3v3 when line just doesn't matter"

How about 5v5 goals and points last year:

Omitting the players with only a couple of games, here are the top four in 5v5 points/60: Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and Jarnkrok.

(Tavares is fifth, or even sixth if you include O'Reilly.)

How about 5v5 goals/60: Matthews, Jarnkrok, Nylander, (O'Reilly), then Tavares.

We'll eliminate Marner (because he doesn't score as much) and O'Reilly.

Based on your 5v5 preferences, the Leafs centres should be, in order, Matthews, Nylander, Jarnkrok, and then Tavares.

 

[ZEBROA]

Keefe is like a 4year old with a caleidoskope. I get they want to try Minten but if the Nylander at C was a real thing, then give him as many preseason games as possible

Dont remember who the ex leafplayer was. He said something in the line of " I dont think this Nylander at C will work, not because Nylander wont be good enough, but because Keefe wont have the patience enough to see this through, In his mind Nylander cant be a C. And that will not change no matter how Nylander plays. " .

I hope that dude is wrong. Hate when people got fixed ideas. Thats why some coaches can take meh players that turns out to be great.

 

[ZEBROA]

Keefe "its not going to be a one season game " 2(??) games that is realy giving him some time to find his play at C. I understand he seemed pissed last game (and no i dont realy think that was why).

 

[thusk]

I didn't say you said PP aren't relevant. I said you said PP weren't relevant when discussing even strength play.

Your exact words were "pp or at 4v4 or 3v3 when line just doesn't matter"

How about 5v5 goals and points last year:

Omitting the players with only a couple of games, here are the top four in 5v5 points/60: Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and Jarnkrok.

(Tavares is fifth, or even sixth if you include O'Reilly.)

How about 5v5 goals/60: Matthews, Jarnkrok, Nylander, (O'Reilly), then Tavares.

We'll eliminate Marner (because he doesn't score as much) and O'Reilly.

Based on your 5v5 preferences, the Leafs centres should be, in order, Matthews, Nylander, Jarnkrok, and then Tavares.

1st- Again i never said pp aren't relevant, i just said when its time to talk about 5v5 line, pp 6v5 4v4 or 3v3 dont have any impact. I sew a huge difference between that and pp aren't relevant

. 16 5v5 goal still in top 30 in NHL... 36 goal is good for 16th rank. Its kind of stats of a 1C not a 3C and at worst 2C whatever how hard you will try to convince yourself.

 

[notDatsyuk]

1st- Again i never said pp aren't relevant, i just said when its time to talk about 5v5 line, pp 6v5 4v4 or 3v3 dont have any impact. I sew a huge difference between that and pp aren't relevant

. 16 5v5 goal still in top 30 in NHL... 36 goal is good for 16th rank. Its kind of stats of a 1C not a 3C and at worst 2C whatever how hard you will try to convince yourself.

What's the difference between the highlighted and "PP aren't relevant when discussing even strength play"?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I didn't say you said PP aren't relevant. I said you said PP weren't relevant when discussing even strength play.

Your exact words were "pp or at 4v4 or 3v3 when line just doesn't matter"

How about 5v5 goals and points last year:

Omitting the players with only a couple of games, here are the top four in 5v5 points/60: Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and Jarnkrok.

(Tavares is fifth, or even sixth if you include O'Reilly.)

How about 5v5 goals/60: Matthews, Jarnkrok, Nylander, (O'Reilly), then Tavares.

We'll eliminate Marner (because he doesn't score as much) and O'Reilly.

Based on your 5v5 preferences, the Leafs centres should be, in order, Matthews, Nylander, Jarnkrok, and then Tavares.

Tavares as 4C? now you are just being ridiculous.

 

[Sypher04]

Not a fan of Domi playing center, because I HATE seeing wingers play center.

But if you were going to do it this would be probably the best lineup you could ask for.

Domi had his best year in the NHL playing center. For what it’s worth

 

[Clark4Ever]

Leave Nylander on the wing in the top six where he belongs.

Minten looks ready for prime time.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Tavares as 4C? now you are just being ridiculous.

I didn't say he should be 4C, and I don't think that. 3C is where I think he should be (or 2C if Willy can't), and maybe 3C or 3W next year.

I was actually just showing that, according to thusk's criteria, he ranks as 4th, rather than 2nd as he claims.

Domi had his best year in the NHL playing center. For what it’s worth

I think that was more a complaint against Willy than Max.

 

[Notsince67]

Before people who doubted Nylander at C take a victory lap here, just keep in mind he only played like 2 preseason games at the role before moving to RW now. That’s not Nylander failing to stick as a center, that’s coaching not being committed to the idea from the get go.

It proves nothing whatsoever about capability. All it proves is that they value him as a RW, where he’s been excellent, and want to keep him there.

Honestly our 2-4RW looks pretty weak without Nylander there anyway. Getting a quality 3C is gonna be easier than a Nylander quality 2RW.

IF they were to find a way to sign Kane, I’d think Nylander goes back to the middle and gets some actual runway to stick there. Who knows, maybe that’s why they wanted to look in the first place - in case.

Spot on. The presupposition here is that everyone knows all the Leafs strategies. That presupposition is obviously dead on arrival. It isnt about maximizing the output of a single player. It is about maximizing the output of a team. I dont think Willy is a great center but given the team depth, he might end up being the best one they have given what is around. He might be good enough and he certainly wouldnt be the worse center in the league.
Beyond that, it is only pre-season. Hard to get all emotional about a lack of production from vets. They are really only tuning up.

 

[Notsince67]

Not a fan of Domi playing center, because I HATE seeing wingers play center.

But if you were going to do it this would be probably the best lineup you could ask for.

I agree. Domi is way worse defensively that Nylander is. I'm ok with taking turns on faceoffs but positionally, Domi has no business being option #1

 

[WillyC]

Right, so for JT it's actually 37 instead of 41 points that are relevant to him being 2C or 3C. Makes my point even stronger.

Thanks.

It’s going to be a long frustrating season for you if you fixate on Captain JT as 3C … he will play the whole season as 2C unless he fills in for Matthews as 1C, if Auston misses any games.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It’s going to be a long frustrating season for you if you fixate on Captain JT as 3C … he will play the whole season as 2C unless he fills in for Matthews as 1C, if Auston misses any games.

Not really, as it doesn't change the fact that he's barely a 2C at this stage in his career. The fact that we have two potentially better options is a good thing.

 

[thusk]

I didn't say he should be 4C, and I don't think that. 3C is where I think he should be (or 2C if Willy can't), and maybe 3C or 3W next year.

I was actually just showing that, according to thusk's criteria, he ranks as 4th, rather than 2nd as he claims.


I think that was more a complaint against Willy than Max.

You can use matthews on 1st, marner on second and nylander on 3rd pair, that will not mean marner is a 2RW and nylander a 3RW.. i think thats the part you just cant understand

Marner would still leafs 1RW, nylander 2 RW

if leafs using domi with nylander, not meaning domi become leafs 2C but just a strategy to split leafs strenght to be better all around...

if leafs try to use nylander at C to get a better 3C to get a better 3rd line, thats doesn't mean tavares drop at 3C. Its the same of 2 previous exemple.

 

[thusk]

I agree. Domi is way worse defensively that Nylander is. I'm ok with taking turns on faceoffs but positionally, Domi has no business being option #1

One thing who can be fine

Domi-Jarnkrok-Nylander with Domi taking faceoff

 

[notDatsyuk]

You can use matthews on 1st, marner on second and nylander on 3rd pair, that will not mean marner is a 2RW and nylander a 3RW.. i think thats the part you just cant understand

Marner would still leafs 1RW, nylander 2 RW

if leafs using domi with nylander, not meaning domi become leafs 2C but just a strategy to split leafs strenght to be better all around...

if leafs try to use nylander at C to get a better 3C to get a better 3rd line, thats doesn't mean tavares drop at 3C. Its the same of 2 previous exemple.

So if Mitch is playing 2C, he's really playing 1RW?

You're right, I don't understand some of your reasoning at all.