How is Owen Beck allowed to join team Canada? (AKA what if Montreal had loaned Slafkovsky to Slovakia this week?)

[Treb]

Weird to you but not them. Not being selected does mean “not being good enough to crack the roster“ to the people at Hockey Canada making the call, otherwise they would have been “selected”.

Hockey Canada has made it abundantly clear they place an emphasis on winning above everything else, they assemble a team they believe will get them a gold medal. They may sacrifice skill, or size, or speed etc. if they believe a certain player provides an ingredient needed to put them over top and fill a niche that others can’t. Unlike posters to this site, they give a rats ass which NHL team holds a prospects rights (couldn’t help but notice your location is Montreal and Beck his a Habs prospect).

There will never be a year where everybody looks at the roster chosen and says “yup they got 100% correct”. At the end of the day, if they win the gold then we have to tip our cap and say their selections got the job done… then hold our breaths and hope there is no sex scandal in the future.

Yes, blame it on Beck being a Habs prospect instead of looking at their selections objectively.

Hockey Canada always had an old school mentality and you can see it with some of the choices they make on many WJC, OG and WC teams.

Winning Gold doesn't mean their selection was correct. Beck has shown pretty clearly the last two games he should have been on the team to begin with.

 

[Sinbad]

Yes, blame it on Beck being a Habs prospect instead of looking at their selections objectively.

Hockey Canada always had an old school mentality and you can see it with some of the choices they make on many WJC, OG and WC teams.

Winning Gold doesn't mean their selection was correct. Beck has shown pretty clearly the last two games he should have been on the team to begin with.

Winning the tournament is the objective, so if they win gold how could their selections be wrong? It’s not like they can win it twice… be given the silver as well as gold because they are soooo much better then the other teams. If Canada does‘t win the tournament, then have at it and questions their decisions all you want.

I have no problem with Beck as a player, he has looked fine in the limited action he has received and perhaps he could have been switched with anyone of the fourth line players and there would have been no difference all along. We could play this “what if” game with anyone of the last few cuts made with selection camp.

i don’t think I’m the one having a problem looking at Hockey Canada’s choices objectively, the fact that you are from Montreal and are focused on the Beck decision seems to point to you being the one who is not able “to look objectively“ at the decision.

I honestly don’t mind the Habs, the Leafs… now that as different discussion.

 

[Treb]

Winning the tournament is the objective, so if they win gold how could their selections be wrong? It’s not like they can win it twice… be given the silver as well as gold because they are soooo much better then the other teams. If Canada does‘t win the tournament, then have at it and questions their decisions all you want.

I have no problem with Beck as a player, he has looked fine in the limited action he has received and perhaps he could have been switched with anyone of the fourth line players and there would have been no difference all along. We could play this “what if” game with anyone of the last few cuts made with selection camp.

i don’t think I’m the one having a problem looking at Hockey Canada’s choices objectively, the fact that you are from Montreal and are focused on the Beck decision seems to point to you being the one who is not able “to look objectively“ at the decision.

I honestly don’t mind the Habs, the Leafs… now that as different discussion.

So if a team win the Stanley Cup, all the moves they made that year are good? That's a pretty basic way to look at things. You can make wrong decisions and still win. It doesn't make them right.

I'm focused on Beck because this is a thread talking about Beck and I replied to a comment talking about Beck non-selection. You're the one trying to invalidate my opinion simply because I'm from Montreal and therefore cannot have any objective thoughts about the Canada roster.

There are guys on this roster that are just passengers carried by others. Switching them out for other players would make the team better.

And no, not necessarily Habs prospects. For example, I don't think Kidney and Mailloux should get on the team.

 

[Sinbad]

So if a team win the Stanley Cup, all the moves they made that year are good? That's a pretty basic way to look at things. You can make wrong decisions and still win. It doesn't make them right.

I'm focused on Beck because this is a thread talking about Beck and I replied to a comment talking about Beck non-selection. You're the one trying to invalidate my opinion simply because I'm from Montreal and therefore cannot have any objective thoughts about the Canada roster.

There are guys on this roster that are just passengers carried by others. Switching them out for other players would make the team better.

You THINK would make them better, you can not prove that. If the team as constructed wins the tournament, they can’t do any better then that… that’s a fact.

 

[Treb]

You THINK would make them better, you can not prove that. If the team as constructed wins the tournament, they can’t do any better then that… that’s a fact.

Again, that's a pretty basic way to look at things.

It's also inconsistent with Beck's increased usage in the semi-final.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It sure is a surprise to me that teams can add players all the way through to the quarterfinals, and maybe even later?

I understand you need an injured player to make a change, but through such an intense tournament, you're bound to have injured players anyway, even so slightly. So basically all the teams could be allowed to make changes at this point.

This sure opens one heck of a loophole. Montreal didn't want to release Slafkovsky for a full month (mid December to mid January) but to play 2 or 3 extremely meaningful games in a matter of 5 days, for exemple? In such a huge and important tournament? He would barely miss any NHL time at all, and would be able to play some extremely meaningful games that would give him the experience of a lifetime. Imagine they beat Canada yesterday with Slaf added to the lineup? That experience certainly is more valuable than a random January game in Nashville.

It would not surprise me at all that NHL teams start doing this, there is simply no downside to it at all for them.

Not surprising at all.

IIHF used to allow 2 more players per roster, they changed it, and removed 2 players from the total and allowed 2 player callups due to injury.

So in actuality they now allow less players per team.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If they left Bedard off the team and grabbed a random 19 year old off the stream and dressed him and won then they made the right decision I guess