How is Owen Beck allowed to join team Canada? (AKA what if Montreal had loaned Slafkovsky to Slovakia this week?)

[Leafshater67]

It's not about Beck, it's about NHL teams going ''wait a minute...'' and loaning someone like Slafkovsky who would obviously be an impact player for his country, for 2-3 games during the finals, which would definitely defeat the purpose of the entire tournament

Isn’t the purpose of the tournament to showcase the best junior hockey in the world? So I mean, how does that defeat the purpose of it?

Teams could literally do just that. All they’d have to do is hold a couple of roster spots for NHL players like they do for their spares. There’s some risk/reward to that but it’s perfectly legal and nothing stopping them.

Owen Beck is not comparable to Slafkovsky either but there’s no reason why they couldn’t do that if they wanted to on the off chance Montreal would allow him to join the team.

 

[Gold Standard]

Those of you acting shocked...do you even watch the games and follow international hockey or just post about them? While the rule is relatively new, guess what? Your federation apprioved it. If your team fails to use it properly or you lack the depth to have it matter, get better.

PS no team is going to let a star player go if they need him, so this is an argument over a scenario that will never happen.

My guess is that they do not.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The very reason not to loan your player is because the tournament is too long and he would miss too many NHL games (and the NHL team needs him in the line-up anyway).

But the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals are in a span of 4 days. That seems highly convenient and a perfect time to loan your player, doesn't it?

I'm pretty sure they just haven't thought about it, because it actually makes a lot of sense to loan your player at this point if it's allowed...

And if he goes down and gets injured in that one game?

I can pretty much guarantee you aren’t the first person to ever think of this “loophole” (that isn’t actually a loophole).

 

[BondraTime]

Well, this was extremely dumb

Team has 25 spots. 23 players, 2 subs. Beck was one of the Subs.

2023 World Juniors: Team USA Final Roster Instant Reaction - FloHockey

USA Hockey made the final cuts to get down to the required 25 players for the 2023 IIHF World Junior Championship.

www.flohockey.tv

How are Noah Laba and Seamus Casey allowed to join team USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (AKA what if MTL loaned Slavkovsky to Slovakia??!!!!!)

Slovakia are allowed to add their 2 players, Slaf wouldn't be one because he wouldn't on their reserve list as they aren't wasting that spot.

 

[cudi]

youd think Owen Beck was a Bedard caliber player based on OP freakin out

 

[mogs]

Potentially dumbest thread of 2023

I think this statement will hold up in December.

How many years did the Caps get knocked out in the second round and Ovechkin went to the Worlds for the knockout games. It's allowed by the rules and every team can do it.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I don't understand what is supposed to be the premise of this thread. NHL team doesn't want its player to play in the WJC but in the OP's hypothetical scenario (which has never happened) they all of the sudden do because it's QFs??

 

[SoundAndFury]

The point of this thread is obviously to discuss the possible loophole of a country adding an impact player such as Slafkovsky, Edvinsson, Kasper, etc. later in the quarterfinals and semifinals, which would completely screw the balance of the tournament.

Why would anyone do it? What's the incentive to hold out the players at the start to then throw them in for 1 game??? What is the NHL team supposedly gaining from this?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Everyone knows the IIHF was Owen Canada, so at their Beck and call allowed them to do this.

 

[Grifter3511]

OK guys, maybe I wasn't clear enough in the opening post, I don't give a F that it is allowed and that all the countries are doing it. The point of this thread is obviously to discuss the possible loophole of a country adding an impact player such as Slafkovsky, Edvinsson, Kasper, etc. later in the quarterfinals and semifinals, which would completely screw the balance of the tournament.

I swear some of you guys are ignoring the point of the thread on purpose... damn Samitis replaced Lazarenoks HOW COULD THIS BE??!??!?

Maybe this loophole isn't taken advantage of because dropping a random player, even a very talented one, onto a team with zero practice and zero chemistry in a single game elimination isn't necessarily a recipe for success?

 

[Sinbad]

This thread is ridiculous; Canada brought in a player who wasn’t good enough to crack their initial roster as a injury replacement. Not trying to knock Beck, he’s a good player but that is the facts in this situation.

NHL teams aren’t going to release anyone for the tournament that is filling a role on the NHL roster or is in a developmental situation that they believe is superior to the development they would get from participating in the world jrs.

 

[JackSlater]

I'll always remember when Pittsburgh loaned Crosby to Canada in 2007 to get him some more of that big game experience.

 

[Ciao]

Someone has too much time on their hands.

 

[ForsbergForever]

Beck is better than half the roster that was selected, he should have been on the team from Day 1.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Owen Beck got an assist on the 5th goal so Canada definitely gets an asterisk next to their placing this year.

Maybe this thread gave the USA coach the idea of putting in their other goalie with a minute left while being down 6-2. Try it out on a smaller scale and if it works try to confince an NHL team to loan a player for a single game.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I'll always remember when Pittsburgh loaned Crosby to Canada in 2007 to get him some more of that big game experience.

Not sure if joking...

 

[Sky04]

The very reason not to loan your player is because the tournament is too long and he would miss too many NHL games (and the NHL team needs him in the line-up anyway).

But the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals are in a span of 4 days. That seems highly convenient and a perfect time to loan your player, doesn't it?

I'm pretty sure they just haven't thought about it, because it actually makes a lot of sense to loan your player at this point if it's allowed...

The people who come up with dumb conspiracy theories aren't usually the brightest, usually because they can't process all the dumb things teams/people would have to knowingly do to commit fraud. Yeah some nation is tell a kid he's going to make the team but only play the group stages then he has to fake an injury so some other kid can take his place during the most important games, a doctor will lie for the team at risk of his practice, the coaching staff and management team will risk their careers for life and the team will risk getting banned by IIHF all to sneak in a player for 3 games in stead of 8. Bravo, you are so smart.

 

[yessir29292]

It's not about Beck, it's about NHL teams going ''wait a minute...'' and loaning someone like Slafkovsky who would obviously be an impact player for his country, for 2-3 games during the finals, which would definitely defeat the purpose of the entire tournament

If NHL teams were gonna do that McTavish or Wyatt Johnston would’ve replaced Dach, not Beck.

Canada is still a better team on paper than Slovakia if you add Slaf so it’s not a big deal.

 

[yessir29292]

And if he goes down and gets injured in that one game?

I can pretty much guarantee you aren’t the first person to ever think of this “loophole” (that isn’t actually a loophole).

It was mentioned in the Canada roster talk thread when Canada called up Beck. Someone was wondering if Canada pushed the Stars or the Ducks to send their guy.

 

[bobholly39]

OK guys, maybe I wasn't clear enough in the opening post, I don't give a F that it is allowed and that all the countries are doing it. The point of this thread is obviously to discuss the possible loophole of a country adding an impact player such as Slafkovsky, Edvinsson, Kasper, etc. later in the quarterfinals and semifinals, which would completely screw the balance of the tournament.

I swear some of you guys are ignoring the point of the thread on purpose... damn Samitis replaced Lazarenoks HOW COULD THIS BE??!??!?

I don't really understand the complaint.

So for example - what if Canada hadn't added Connor Bedard to their roster - and then magically come Quarter Final time, they add him? You think that's unfair? That's what you're saying?

Wouldn't that actually be a good thing for other teams, that they didn't have to contend with Bedard earlier in the tournament?

If Slovakia added Slafvosky...well stupid on them to not add him earlier, no?

I don't really get your logic

 

[BigBadBoar]

I didn't get the point of this thread. It is literally explained in the tournament rulebook:

• If the roster is full, an injured player can be replaced by another player from the long list according to pre-defined procedures including medical review. A replaced player cannot return to the tournament.
  
  
  IIHF - Tournament Info 2023 IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP

  IIHF - Tournament Info 2023 IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP

  www.iihf.com

 

[Treb]

This thread is ridiculous; Canada brought in a player who wasn’t good enough to crack their initial roster as a injury replacement. Not trying to knock Beck, he’s a good player but that is the facts in this situation.

NHL teams aren’t going to release anyone for the tournament that is filling a role on the NHL roster or is in a developmental situation that they believe is superior to the development they would get from participating in the world jrs.

Not being selected and not being good enough to crack the roster are two different things.

Hockey Canada has an habit of making weird selection all the time.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

How was Slovakia allowed to replace the injured Honzek 2 games after the tournament started

IIHF - Misiak replaces Honzek

Slovakia’s Samuel Honzek out for the tournament

www.iihf.com

How was Germany allowed to replace the injured Proske on December 30th

IIHF - Cimmerman replaces Proske

Germany’s Yannick Proske won’t return to World Juniors play

www.iihf.com

How was Switzerland allowed to replace the injured Baechler 2 games into the tournament

IIHF - Baechler won’t return

Switzerland’s Baechler leaves with injury; Deussen and Muggli added to roster

www.iihf.com

How was Latvia allowed to replace the injured Lazarenoks 2 games into the tournament

IIHF - Lazarenoks ruled out

Latvia replaces injured Lazarenoks with Samitis

www.iihf.com

Probably has something to do with the rules allowing all 5 teams to do this.

Hey cmon man, u are ruining for people on here!!... They are trying to convince themselves and others that somehow Canada tricked the IIHF and are cheating right in front of the world

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Not being selected and not being good enough to crack the roster are two different things.

Hockey Canada has an habit of making weird selection all the time.

Beck looks like one they very clearly got wrong. He's better/more dependable than at least a couple who were selected (putting it lightly). Not only that, but he's an 04 and the rest of the forward group is highly unlikely or ineligible to return. He's going to be leaned on very heavily next year if he doesn't make the Habs.

 

[Sinbad]

Not being selected and not being good enough to crack the roster are two different things.

Hockey Canada has an habit of making weird selection all the time.

Weird to you but not them. Not being selected does mean “not being good enough to crack the roster“ to the people at Hockey Canada making the call, otherwise they would have been “selected”.

Hockey Canada has made it abundantly clear they place an emphasis on winning above everything else, they assemble a team they believe will get them a gold medal. They may sacrifice skill, or size, or speed etc. if they believe a certain player provides an ingredient needed to put them over top and fill a niche that others can’t. Unlike posters to this site, they give a rats ass which NHL team holds a prospects rights (couldn’t help but notice your location is Montreal and Beck his a Habs prospect).

There will never be a year where everybody looks at the roster chosen and says “yup they got 100% correct”. At the end of the day, if they win the gold then we have to tip our cap and say their selections got the job done… then hold our breaths and hope there is no sex scandal in the future.