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best on best and a 82 game season and McDavid gets to play for 'Canada'?

I'd say Canada would be like the Habs of mid-70's....probably about 74-8

The Habs couldn't win every game, but that's about as dominant as it gets

Best on best, Canada currently is about as dominant as it can get
 
In wintern olympics in 1998 Canada rolled this roster:

Rob Blake - Los Angeles Kings
Ray Bourque - Boston Bruins
Rod Brind'Amour - Philadelphia Flyers
Martin Brodeur - New Jersey Devils
Shayne Corson - Montreal Canadiens
Éric Desjardins - Philadelphia Flyers
Theoren Fleury - Calgary Flames
Adam Foote - Colorado Avalanche
Wayne Gretzky - New York Rangers
Curtis Joseph - Edmonton Oilers
Trevor Linden - New York Islanders
Eric Lindros (C) - Philadelphia Flyers
Al MacInnis - St. Louis Blues
Joe Nieuwendyk - Dallas Stars
Keith Primeau - Carolina Hurricanes
Chris Pronger - St. Louis Blues
Mark Recchi - Montreal Canadiens
Patrick Roy - Colorado Avalanche
Joe Sakic (A) - Colorado Avalanche
Brendan Shanahan - Detroit Red Wings
Scott Stevens (A) - New Jersey Devils
Steve Yzerman (A) - Detroit Red Wings
Rob Zamuner- Tampa Bay Lightning

And Finland kicked their *****.

Finland never comes first when you're think of players, but as a team it's really tough to beat :handclap:
 
Lennu32 said:
In wintern olympics in 1998 Canada rolled this roster:

Rob Blake - Los Angeles Kings
Ray Bourque - Boston Bruins
Rod Brind'Amour - Philadelphia Flyers
Martin Brodeur - New Jersey Devils
Shayne Corson - Montreal Canadiens
Éric Desjardins - Philadelphia Flyers
Theoren Fleury - Calgary Flames
Adam Foote - Colorado Avalanche
Wayne Gretzky - New York Rangers
Curtis Joseph - Edmonton Oilers
Trevor Linden - New York Islanders
Eric Lindros (C) - Philadelphia Flyers
Al MacInnis - St. Louis Blues
Joe Nieuwendyk - Dallas Stars
Keith Primeau - Carolina Hurricanes
Chris Pronger - St. Louis Blues
Mark Recchi - Montreal Canadiens
Patrick Roy - Colorado Avalanche
Joe Sakic (A) - Colorado Avalanche
Brendan Shanahan - Detroit Red Wings
Scott Stevens (A) - New Jersey Devils
Steve Yzerman (A) - Detroit Red Wings
Rob Zamuner- Tampa Bay Lightning

And Finland kicked their *****.

Finland never comes first when you're think of players, but as a team it's really tough to beat :handclap:
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I have no doubt that Finland would beat Canada most times in bronze games. I don't think Finland has ever beaten Canada in a best on best when the result actually mattered though.
 
Cogsbreakaway said:
Player for player, no other nation comes even close to Canada. How are they not winning every single best on best tournament, and dominantly so?
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Because hockey is a game and not a mathematical equation, where 5<10 and you can't do anything about it.
 
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JackSlater said:
I have no doubt that Finland would beat Canada most times in bronze games. I don't think Finland has ever beaten Canada in a best on best when the result actually mattered though.
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Not that this 1998 Canadian team, allegedly one lucky bounce away from winning gold, won any game that mattered.
 
Cogsbreakaway said:
Player for player, no other nation comes even close to Canada. How are they not winning every single best on best tournament, and dominantly so?

I mean, let's view the other top nations to see how many players would make team Canada.

Sweden: 4-5.
USA: 2-3?
Finland: 0
Russia: 2-3?
Czechs: 0
Slovakia: 0
Swiss: 0...or perhaps Josi.

Sweden's team game is pretty horrid compared to Finland(s), who is the best in the world at getting 110% out of their rosters. Is Canada perhaps even worse than Sweden when it comes to this, how else are they not totally dominant?

Thoughts?
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I'm sorry but Malkin, Ovechkin, Panarin, Kucherov, Tarasenko and probably Datsyuk all make team Canada. If Kovalchuk was still around, probably him too.
 
Paxton Fettel said:
I'm sorry but Malkin, Ovechkin, Panarin, Kucherov, Tarasenko and probably Datsyuk all make team Canada. If Kovalchuk was still around, probably him too.
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Only Ovechkin and Malkin are 100%. :laugh:

Tarasenko with very good chances, Kucherov 50/50. Basically given their goal-scoring abilities and that they are pure wingers.

Panarin, Kuznetsov with very small chances. 2016 Datsyuk with zero chance.

Kovalchuk is out of question so it is pointless to mention him when he was not selected to Team Russia for WHC, let alone for World Cup.
 
I don't know, that massive canadian top depth came with Crosby generation. Since then they have been dominating a lot. Especially style of play is immpressive. They never played like this before. Seems to me like they took the best from other hockey schools. I have been actively watching hockey since 1990 and Canada was never that strong IMO.
 
Cogsbreakaway said:
No way today's Datsyuk does.

Kucherov, no probably not. Panarin might, but not 100%.
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Vert interesting. So Stamkos makes it, no questions asked, but not Kucherov? I don't understand the logic, based on the fact that over the last 2 seasons and especially this season, Kuch has outplayed Stamkos.
 
tade said:
Only Ovechkin and Malkin are 100%. :laugh:

Tarasenko with very good chances, Kucherov 50/50. Basically given their goal-scoring abilities and that they are pure wingers.

Panarin, Kuznetsov with very small chances. 2016 Datsyuk with zero chance.

Kovalchuk is out of question so it is pointless to mention him when he was not selected to Team Russia for WHC, let alone for World Cup.
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It's up for debate (I didn't even include Kuznetsov, NHL's 10 leading scorer btw) but realistically 4-5 guys make it.

Then again this means nothing : in 2010, half of Canada would have consisted of Russians, except on goaltending. And that team was only good enough to outplay a useless Czech team.
 
Paxton Fettel said:
Vert interesting. So Stamkos makes it, no questions asked, but not Kucherov? I don't understand the logic, based on the fact that over the last 2 seasons and especially this season, Kuch has outplayed Stamkos.
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This season, even when under-performing, Stamkos had 36 goals, Kucherov 30. Last season, Kucherov had 29 goals, Stamkos 43.
 
Jablkon said:
I don't know, that massive canadian top depth came with Crosby generation. Since then they have been dominating a lot. Especially style of play is immpressive. They never played like this before. Seems to me like they took the best from other hockey schools. I have been actively watching hockey since 1990 and Canada was never that strong IMO.
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I love the style of play Canada has used since Vancouver, and it all stems from an active mobile defence. European teams were always quicker in the past and that's not the case any more. There's just no place for slower players now.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
This season, even when under-performing, Stamkos had 36 goals, Kucherov 30. Last season, Kucherov had 29 goals, Stamkos 43.
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So it's just about goals? Because Lightning fans were unanimous that Kuch was the team's best player this year, even early on when Stammer was ahead of him in scoring. Also Kuch scored 11 goals in 17 playoffs games.
 
when the us team played in basketballs at the olympics as the dream team - you'd expect domination. all NBA players vs non-NBA players.

It's different in hockey though. All teams have NHL caliber players, stars even. Even though Canada always by far has the best selection of talent "on paper" - it's still always a competetive game. They aren't playing AHL'ers or such.
 
Karjala takaisin said:
2006?
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Ahh yes, right you are. Must have blocked that tournament out honestly.

jekoh said:
Not that this 1998 Canadian team, allegedly one lucky bounce away from winning gold, won any game that mattered.
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OK. I'm sure statement is in some way relevant to what I said, but I just can't see it.

Paxton Fettel said:
I'm sorry but Malkin, Ovechkin, Panarin, Kucherov, Tarasenko and probably Datsyuk all make team Canada. If Kovalchuk was still around, probably him too.
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Ovechkin, Malkin and Tarasenko are definite. Kucherov with an outside chance (Stamkos has a better chance given his better resume in his career). Panarin hasn't done enough, definitely not. Datsyuk has fallen too far and only plays centre, definitely not.

Paxton Fettel said:
It's up for debate (I didn't even include Kuznetsov, NHL's 10 leading scorer btw) but realistically 4-5 guys make it.

Then again this means nothing : in 2010, half of Canada would have consisted of Russians, except on goaltending. And that team was only good enough to outplay a useless Czech team.
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This is strange revision. The 2010 Canadian team happily takes Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk and Datsyuk. Probably Markov, definitely no other defenceman. Maybe Radulov. No to Semin, not the style of player Canada generally picks. That's at most 6 players, a far cry from half.
 
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