How good is the Jets scouting staff?

[Halfy]

Very good but I think Jets fans are going to be very disappointed in Morrissey. Watching him in Kelowna was painful. He put up some points but I really don't see his game translating well at all. I hope I'm wrong, really like this team.

this is the only questionable pick they've made in the first round IMO.

 

[OilTastic]

It seems like they just keep on picking up great prospects. Especially the 2015 draft, Roslovic, Connor, Harkins and Spacek are all looking like great picks.

i feel that the Jets are having good draft success because they seem to take the BPA with almost every pick and it is paying off. my Oilers never drafted like this when the not so "magnificent *astard" Stu MacGregor was head scout for years and just loved to take long shot, boom or bust picks by the time the Oilers got to the mid round of each draft, and we really have nothing to show for it since around '08 when Stu took over as head scout.

 

[Tripod]

i feel that the Jets are having good draft success because they seem to take the BPA with almost every pick and it is paying off. my Oilers never drafted like this when the not so "magnificent *astard" Stu MacGregor was head scout for years and just loved to take long shot, boom or bust picks by the time the Oilers got to the mid round of each draft, and we really have nothing to show for it since around '08 when Stu took over as head scout.

2007 killed you guys. You had 3 1st rounders:

Gagner at #6....Voracek #7
Plante at #15....Cole at #18
Nash at #21...Pacioretty at #22

Other notables:Backlund #24, Perron #26

If it makes you feel better, in 2007 Philly traded up in the 2nd rd to get the dman they wanted and picked Marshall at #41. PK Subban was the next dman picked at #43.

Crazy how just a a few different draft choices could totally change a teams situation.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The Ehlers pick was a no brainer to me. I thought the Leafs were going to pick him, but they went elsewhere.

But Jets picks in Petan, Trouba, Scheifele, Glover, Spacek, Harkins, Connor, Roslovic. Guys I liked in their draft years. Is very impressive. I don't have a problem with the Morrisey pick.

These guys are hitting it out the park IMO.

 

[OilTastic]

2007 killed you guys. You had 3 1st rounders:

Gagner at #6....Voracek #7
Plante at #15....Cole at #18
Nash at #21...Pacioretty at #22

Other notables:Backlund #24, Perron #26

If it makes you feel better, in 2007 Philly traded up in the 2nd rd to get the dman they wanted and picked Marshall at #41. PK Subban was the next dman picked at #43.

Crazy how just a a few different draft choices could totally change a teams situation.

^tell me about it !! , though we did manage to flip Nash into Marincin who turned into Eric Gryba and Gagner into Purcell, but that was a good example of then head scout Kevin Pendergast doing the same as the guy who replaced him, Stu MacGregor, and trading up into the 1st round to get Nash, who could have been seen as a long shot pick, when he may have already been there for the Oilers to pick in the 2nd round. for decades the 1 thing that killed the Oilers year after year was poor drafting, and we're all hoping this can finally end now that Chia has brought in his own scouting staff.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Do you mean added to the roster or drafted in that time? The wings have added Tatar, Nyquist, Larkin, Sheahan, Glendening, Dekeyser and Jurco in the last couple of years. Larkin was picked 15th and Sheahan 21st I believe so thats probably pretty comparable. Tampa Bay has also likely added a similar amount I would think with the TKO line and some other guys like Killorn and Palat.

But these are a couple of the only teams that give the jets a run for their money in drafting/development

I mean drafted and developed to the point that these players are now playing on the Jets today.

 

[Leafs87]

I've been very impressed with their scouting. I was actually thinking about this the other day

 

[howkie]

"It's a real laugh."

I, a longtime Thrashers fan who tried to become a Jets fan, have been disappointed by Winnipeg scouting staff picking up:

2011
Scheifele before Couturier, Hamilton, Brodin, Gibson, Jenner, Kucherov

2012
Trouba before Filip Forsberg, Mikhail Grigorenko, Zemgus Girgensons, Cody Ceci, Tomas Hertl, Olli Maatta, Tanner Pearson

2013
Morrissey before Nikita Zadorov, Mirco Mueller, Andre Burakovsky

2014
Nikolaj Ehlers before ... (okay i like the pick but the jury's out on this year) ...Vrana, Honka, Milano, Kapanen, McCann, Goldobin, Ho-Sang

2015 No idea. The Jets first pick and those afterwards have done squat yet.

Therefore..... -3 ADDED TO either +1, 0 or -1 ADDED to 0 = -2 to -4 over the last five drafts. Ugh.

Seems like you are real scout, head over to Flames board and ask about Hamilton, Couts = Sheif Brodin maybe? rest was second round picks, so I guess more then Jets who missed them

2012.. Besides Forsberg, I don´t really get your point, Ceci= Trouba but rest are clearly not better.

2013: Noone of your example has really broken into the NHL. Burra and Mueller was scratched half the season, Zadorov the same.

2014: Larkin is the only player I could think of switch to.

2015: Connor, player of the week in NCAA... nuf said

I trust Jets scout more then you, 1 thing that is sure...

 

[newfy]

When were they drafted? For the Jets we can only go back to the 2011 draft. Since then the only Wings picks to make the NHL are Jurco, Ouellett and Larkin.

Yeah thats what I meant when I asked if you meant drafted or added to the NHL roster. Some of those guys were drafted before 2011 but not added to the roster until the last couple of years because the wings take so long. Dekeyser should still count in that group though he was scouted and signed as a free agent. If youre only talking about since the 2011 draft, I'm thinking Tampa Bay is the only team that might be better in that time frame. If you dont count the top 10 picks, Detroit is probably comparable

 

[Whileee]

Yeah thats what I meant when I asked if you meant drafted or added to the NHL roster. Some of those guys were drafted before 2011 but not added to the roster until the last couple of years because the wings take so long. Dekeyser should still count in that group though he was scouted and signed as a free agent. If youre only talking about since the 2011 draft, I'm thinking Tampa Bay is the only team that might be better in that time frame. If you dont count the top 10 picks, Detroit is probably comparable

Dekeyser doesn't really count because other teams no doubt also valued him highly but couldn't sign him because he wanted to play for the Wings. He wasn't available to be drafted by other teams when he was signed.

 

[aqsw]

Jets are better at picking forwards, we are specialised at defensemen (and goalies if we look ad Andersen and Gibson)

Ever heard of Hellebucyk or Trouba? They are good too!

 

[AINEC*]

Best scouting in the league and it's not close

 

[Jesus Christ Horburn]

2007 killed you guys. You had 3 1st rounders:

Gagner at #6....Voracek #7
Plante at #15....Cole at #18
Nash at #21...Pacioretty at #22

Other notables:Backlund #24, Perron #26

If it makes you feel better, in 2007 Philly traded up in the 2nd rd to get the dman they wanted and picked Marshall at #41. PK Subban was the next dman picked at #43.

Crazy how just a a few different draft choices could totally change a teams situation.

OT, but Gagner was the right pick at #6.

Hindsight is 50/50 but Gagner had a phenomenal career in junior. I don't think anyone could have predicted he'd only amount to a 40 point NHL forward (some of that was due to him being rushed as well).

 

[Juxtaposer]

The Jets are pretty good, but I haven't really seen them make a lot of steals. What they're really really good at is making the obvious pick. Trouba was the obvious pick (and at the guy who said Ceci was equal, not even close). Ehlers was the obvious pick. Petan was the obvious pick. Connor was the obvious pick. I like the Jets staff because they don't try and get fancy, don't try and act like they're in on some secret. They take the BPA and that's it. Surprisingly, it turns out the BPA is usually the best player! Crazy, I know!

I'm a fan of Morrissey and he was the right pick at the time. I think the only one they seriously messed up in recent memory was Schiefele. Obviously they should have taken Couturier, Hamilton, or Brodin.

 

[Zaddy]

The Jets are pretty good, but I haven't really seen them make a lot of steals. What they're really really good at is making the obvious pick. Trouba was the obvious pick (and at the guy who said Ceci was equal, not even close). Ehlers was the obvious pick. Petan was the obvious pick. Connor was the obvious pick. I like the Jets staff because they don't try and get fancy, don't try and act like they're in on some secret. They take the BPA and that's it. Surprisingly, it turns out the BPA is usually the best player! Crazy, I know!

Yup, this is what I love about them. It's so weird that there really isn't that many teams that are doing the same thing when it should be what most guys are doing. It's so simple, yet so effective.

I'm a fan of Morrissey and he was the right pick at the time. I think the only one they seriously messed up in recent memory was Schiefele. Obviously they should have taken Couturier, Hamilton, or Brodin.

I'm not so sure about that. It's still way early and it could be looking very different only 2 years from now. I'd take Scheifele over Couturier already, I just like his upside more. Hamilton is a bit iffy but it looks like he isn't all I thought he'd be, listening to B's fans from last season and now his pretty terrible start in Calgary. Obviously he should still be a solid top4 d-man for many years ahead but Scheifele has room to grow and who knows what he and Ehlers can do together down the road? Brodin is the only one I'd hands down take over him out of those three and even then it's not impossible that Scheifele becomes the more highly regarded player in a few years. Unlikely yes, but certainly not impossible.

 

[Koonta]

The Jets are pretty good, but I haven't really seen them make a lot of steals. What they're really really good at is making the obvious pick. Trouba was the obvious pick (and at the guy who said Ceci was equal, not even close). Ehlers was the obvious pick. Petan was the obvious pick. Connor was the obvious pick. I like the Jets staff because they don't try and get fancy, don't try and act like they're in on some secret. They take the BPA and that's it. Surprisingly, it turns out the BPA is usually the best player! Crazy, I know!

I'm a fan of Morrissey and he was the right pick at the time. I think the only one they seriously messed up in recent memory was Schiefele. Obviously they should have taken Couturier, Hamilton, or Brodin.

This is so wrong. Scheifele was the right pick. no question. There is absolutely nothing wrong with him. Second full season in the NHL putting up 49 points in the tough western conference and is poised to have a breakout year this season, he is a smart defensive player and all the great offensive tools. Shot, Skating, IQ and an extremely hard worker whose dedication in the offseason to improve every year is remarkable. Couturier is also a great player so would have been happy with him also. Hamilton though? seriously that guy is so overrated and Brodin is a great pick but the Jets really needed to draft a center that first year because the cupboards were empty, we took a defenceman the next year. Jets fans are elated with the Scheifele pick.

 

[Wintersun]

I don't get the hate for Scheifele. He had 49 points last year and I believe he'll do 50 + this year too.

He's good. Guys like Couturier, Hamilton aren't really better than him and if they are, it's close.

 

[Duke749]

The Jets are pretty good, but I haven't really seen them make a lot of steals. What they're really really good at is making the obvious pick. Trouba was the obvious pick (and at the guy who said Ceci was equal, not even close). Ehlers was the obvious pick. Petan was the obvious pick. Connor was the obvious pick. I like the Jets staff because they don't try and get fancy, don't try and act like they're in on some secret. They take the BPA and that's it. Surprisingly, it turns out the BPA is usually the best player! Crazy, I know!

I'm a fan of Morrissey and he was the right pick at the time. I think the only one they seriously messed up in recent memory was Schiefele. Obviously they should have taken Couturier, Hamilton, or Brodin.

Yep. Their bread and butter is taking the obvious guy and keeping it simple. Absolutely love it!

As far as the Scheif pick, I think this is a pick that is taking time and patience to pay off. And I think this is the year, we see how good this kid can be. Probably the biggest risk pick the Jets have taken in the 1st round since their return.

 

[Whileee]

I agree that the Jets are basically steady, not making any big mistakes (except Sutter in the 2nd round in 2012).

Generally, they go for skill and hockey IQ and don't worry so much about size, especially in the early rounds.

 

[NikoEhlers]

Scheifele is already looking like hes gonna have a good season, him and Ehlers looks terrific together, I cant wait to see how great their chemistry will end up being

 

[OilTastic]

Yep. Their bread and butter is taking the obvious guy and keeping it simple. Absolutely love it!

^this! other teams (such as the Oilers!) could learn a few things and learn from the Jets scouts. good things happen when you keep it simple.

 

[Huffer]

This is so wrong. Scheifele was the right pick. no question. There is absolutely nothing wrong with him. Second full season in the NHL putting up 49 points in the tough western conference and is poised to have a breakout year this season, he is a smart defensive player and all the great offensive tools. Shot, Skating, IQ and an extremely hard worker whose dedication in the offseason to improve every year is remarkable. Couturier is also a great player so would have been happy with him also. Hamilton though? seriously that guy is so overrated and Brodin is a great pick but the Jets really needed to draft a center that first year because the cupboards were empty, we took a defenceman the next year. Jets fans are elated with the Scheifele pick.

I don't get the hate for Scheifele. He had 49 points last year and I believe he'll do 50 + this year too.

He's good. Guys like Couturier, Hamilton aren't really better than him and if they are, it's close.

Agreed. The other options are also good, but I wouldn't trade Scheifele for any of them.

 

[Duke749]

Agreed. The other options are also good, but I wouldn't trade Scheifele for any of them.

Brodin is the only one I would consider. And that's because he is a need. The others? We've filled in guys into those roles. But that's not to say they wouldn't perhaps be better or have more value. Just that the Jets are very content with the Scheif pick. He fills a role/need.

 

[allan5oh]

Look at it by draft:

2011:

Mark Scheifele - Proven 2nd line C, potential 1st liner
Adam Lowry - Proven 3rd line C
Jason Kasdorf - Traded in Kane trade

2012:

Jacob Trouba - Top pair RHD
Connor Hellebuyck - Top goalie prospect
Jamie Phillips - Good goalie prospect

2013:

Josh Morrissey - top 4 LHD potential
Nic Petan - Made the club as 4th line LW, big time potential
Eric Comrie - Top goalie prospect
Andrew Copp - Made the club as 4th line C

2014

Nikolaj Ehlers - Made the club, currently leading rookies in SOG

2015 - Too early to tell, but looks to be another nice draft

Out of the above only Scheifele, Trouba, and Lowry has any sort of meaningful GP, but it's fairly obvious there will be many more impact players. Any draft where you get more than one impact player is an absolute win. Those expecting perfection "They could've had Brodin" are being very unrealistic. Go look at the Thashers draft record especially the past few years. It's almost all obvious first rounders that made the show.

 

[Flair Hay]

Not sure why people think it was a mistake taking Scheifele over Couturier still. The time has elapsed where Philly was benefitting from us passing on Couturier. They got a guy on his ELC that is an amazing checker. Now, he's making over $4M while Scheifele is just now headed towards his own bridge as a pretty good two way player in his own right that is relied on to put up points.

Trouba and Forsberg to me is a wash. Both going to be first liners.

Morrissey looking not great or brutal at this point.

Ehlers was a slam dunk pick.

Connor was a slam dunk where we got him.

I certainly agree that the Jets have benefitted from other teams making dumb moves. Funny thing is if they were bottom five any of these years they still might have ended up with half the same guys.